DEBATE TOPIC: Is there a such thing as true love? Or is it all about status..

[cola]

Backstory: At work we had a heated debate about Love vs Status..
The argument being: I made a comment about r&b singer keyshia coles dating habbits..
1. She dates young jeezy (rapper) who makes probably around the same amount of money as her..
2. Than she is courting boxer floyd mayweather who's assets are worth 300 million plus a considerable upgrade..
3. Now she dates daniel gibson of the clevland cavaliers.. who averages about 5 minutes a game and makes probably 1 to two million a year tops..

--- now here is the argument..
Clearly she is not a gold digger by this pattern which I commend her for and respect her as a celebrity as she makes atleast double what her current dude makes.. even though I doubt she'd date anyone who worked a 9-5 but that's understandable and I still salute her.

-- Can I an average joe ever date a high status celebrity in sober mind just because she likes me?or do I absoloutely have to be without question
-richer or as rich as her
-extremely attractive
-well known as a celebrity..
I say no..
They say anything can happen..
That's true but I never met anyone who won the megamillion lottery..
Did you?

Please add input..
All opinions welcome..
Please keep this thread flame free..
Thanks
-Chris

 

[tarotale]

there is no such thing as true love. it's all media's bs via movies and drama to fill up the women's usuless stupid needs. in fact, they are actually fvcking us men over b/c women now believe that true love exist. true love my c0ck bollony

 

[cola]

there is no such thing as true love. it's all media's bs via movies and drama to fill up the women's usuless stupid needs. in fact, they are actually fvcking us men over b/c women now believe that true love exist. true love my c0ck bollony

I doubt that's true.. if there is no such thing as true love than why bother sarging?
Are we that empty inside as donjuans that all we're doing is looking for a body to stick our penises in? Certainly we all get layed along the way but aren't we looking for that one in the process? Say as you may but insecurity and loneliness is what drove the vast majority of us to this commmunity..

If what you say is true..
All the dates we go on..
The club admissions fees..
The money we spend on nice clothes
We may as well find the cleanest looking prostitute and save our time..
But maybe I'm wrong?
-chris

 

[KontrollerX]

The love chemical known as dopamine exists.

Love itself may even exist but mostly its as easy to find nowadays as looking for a needle in a haystack.

Though I'm not religious whatsoever the Hinduist Kali Yuga concept describes the age we are living in quite well and why you'll find lust, avarice, greed and corruption in our current era the majority of the time as opposed to love, integrity, honor, dignity and yes morality crew...a sense of morality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYiTHtwugzc

Check out both links to learn more about the time of the Kali Yuga.

 

[tarotale]

I doubt that's true.. if there is no such thing as true love than why bother sarging?
Are we that empty inside as donjuans that all we're doing is looking for a body to stick our penises in? Certainly we all get layed along the way but aren't we looking for that one in the process? Say as you may but insecurity and loneliness is what drove the vast majority of us to this commmunity..

If what you say is true..
All the dates we go on..
The club admissions fees..
The money we spend on nice clothes
We may as well find the cleanest looking prostitute and save our time..
But maybe I'm wrong?
-chris

lol bro hear me. love is a concept, an idea. of course, i think love b/t men
and women is more than action of penetration and moaning and shooting kum. but love is a concept, it does not exist as a true thing. it's conflict of your hormones, not really visible. it is also your mind being confused. when you are in love you only think about the lover and see no faults in her. but married couple divorce and lovers separate, b/c true love is nonexistent. i only try to improve my game w/ females not to find true love, but to stop feeling shytty about not being able to step up like a fvcking real man and grab a ho that i want. i will be what i desire later though

 

[cola]

I read the article. Sounds believable..
Call me naieve but I had no idea people had such pessamistic views on life and love... heh dunno how you guys get out of bed with a negative view of the world.. and if you do what do you guys plan to do about it? The world is ****ed up but what are we suppose to do?
Just start kicking puppies and pooing on peoples gardens like everyone else?
Or take a stand and say I am going to have morals
I am going to have ethics..
Heh sad part is that I know the majority of people just go with societies flow.. so I'm just wasting my breath.. ur I mean wasting my fingers.. <---?

 

[cola]

lol bro hear me. love is a concept, an idea. of course, i think love b/t men
and women is more than action of penetration and moaning and shooting kum. but love is a concept, it does not exist as a true thing. it's conflict of your hormones, not really visible. it is also your mind being confused. when you are in love you only think about the lover and see no faults in her. but married couple divorce and lovers separate, b/c true love is nonexistent. i only try to improve my game w/ females not to find true love, but to stop feeling shytty about not being able to step up like a fvcking real man and grab a ho that i want. i will be what i desire later though

Chemicals in your brain control all your emotions..
Seratonin effects your happiness..
Is happiness just a concept?

You not being able to step up like a real man could possibly be not enough testoterone based chemicals being released in your body.. so is it just a concept?

The human brain is a gift and a curse..
We think to much just feel sometimes

-chris

 

[DonJuan11]

-- Can I an average joe ever date a high status celebrity in sober mind just because she likes me?

-Chris

But don't ask dumb dumb questions like this anymore. If you have a specific problem with a girl, we can help you, but when you ask dumb questions like this, your credibility tanks.

Kontroller is right too.

 

[BlackJackal]

short answer no.

 

[countermart]

Does love exist? It’s all about depth

Don’t you love your mother or father? Some people don’t I know. If you have a son or daughter and you are a good father you know that love exists. You would dive into a wild ocean or run into a burning house to save them. You will put yourself and your safety as secondary to them. Hell, I once ran into a fire to save my dog, now don’t get any funny ideas, but I’ve got to say I think I loved that darn mutt! (Paws and nose were burnt but it survived.)

So love exists even if it is just an additional chemical reaction of protection in your brain, that is as real as the perception of any reality or otherwise is going to get.

The question then becomes can love exist between a man and a woman. Well naturally, even if it is just a chemical reaction in your brain. I was having this exact debate re love existing with a girl the other night. I took (just for fun) the view that love did not exist. She naturally ran with the view that love does exist. So I turned it around to say more specifically, that Unconditional love does not exist.

This is what it came down to:

Totally unconditional love is very, very uncommon. This is where the love and association continues to exist despite whatever one person does in relation to the other person. Drink, drugs, theft, murder, violence you name it etc.

Love was then defined along the basis of depth. From nothing, to strong supportive love, or from highly conditional like, “I will “love” you as long as you have lots of money” etc, to “I don’t care what you have or what you do I will still love you”. Now be careful because lots of women will tell you that, but they only talk the talk, and don’t walk the walk.

Some of us are out there not just to get laid but to look for a degree of love and hopefully the more unconditional or less superficial the better. The more unconditional the more difficult it is to find and at what point do you choose to call and show your hand, hold, or play another round!!!

So like the song says, “Love is all around you”, but the reality is that quite a lot of it today is not very deep.

Countermart

 

[ChrizZ]

Yes, love exists...

It's society brainwashing + chemicals in your brain.

 

[cola]

But don't ask dumb dumb questions like this anymore. If you have a specific problem with a girl, we can help you, but when you ask dumb questions like this, your credibility tanks.

Kontroller is right too.

Screw you.. I asked kindly to keep my thread flame free..
1. I don't give a **** about how credible you think I am
2. I see no reason why I couldn't date a semi-celeb.. excuse me if my confidence is sky high..
I believe no woman is out of my grasp.. you should believe the same..
3. I don't need your help.. with girls.. I'm 19 and get layed often enough that KNOW I do something right..

/done with my own thread..
You know you guys with a little seniority on this forum make me sick..
Everytime someone makes a thread or comment that goes againt your beliefs they get flamed ..

Kick rocks with open toe sandals..
Chris

 

[Hughman]

To ask if true love exists, you have define it first. No mean feat.

Call me young and naive, but I like to be optimistic about such matters. I want to think out of the 3 billion women out there, I'll come across one that is 'right' for me - by no means perfect, but certainly someone I would like to end my days with.

Sure, I very much plan to be my own man, and to sample the many pleasures of life, but ultimately I think a monogamous relationship, with someone who mutually cares and feels the same way that you do for them, is what I will end up in.

As for the original question that a guy can date 'above' himself. Sure, it happens, happened in my family, my great-granddad was an alcoholic truck driver who seduced a pretty girl from a very wealthy family that owned several very profitable manufacturing plants, mainly textiles and timber processing. (she was originally engaged to a merchant) But this is something you shouldn't think about - just go with the flow.

 

[Cry For Love]

the "right" woman is just a girl who is the best at acting what she believes you want her to act like. the selfishness and egocentric is still there, but it just expresses itself as what you want her to, because its more useful to her that way due to the benefits that come with it.

So, for a number one alpha there are tons of women highly motivated to act just like he wants to and thus there a tons of women who could give him the feeling of true love.

And for the poor loser AFC, there few or none willing to take on the process due to the low returns involved.

 

[Hughman]

the "right" woman is just a girl who is the best at acting what she believes you want her to act like. the selfishness and egocentric is still there, but it just expresses itself as what you want her to, because its more useful to her that way due to the benefits that come with it.

So, for a number one alpha there are tons of women highly motivated to act just like he wants to and thus there a tons of women who could give him the feeling of true love.

And for the poor loser AFC, there few or none willing to take on the process due to the low returns involved.

I'll agree with you to a certain point, but I think this community is far too cynical at times. Go and look at any female advise site, and it becomes quickly apparent that many of them are equally clueless and have bought into the 'romantic' ideals as men are.

Sure, many women know how to work their gender and bodies to the max, and power to them, they've broken out their version of the Matrix, but I digress.

The male notion of love, at least my own personal notion of it, goes like so: Do I feel warm and fuzzy when I see my girl? When I do look at other women, even if they are more attractive than my girl, and even if they presented themselves to me, would I turn them down ultimately? Would I want my girl to ultimately be the mother of my children? Do I want to grow old with this person? Do I know, or at least have unshakable faith, that she will remain loyal to me, in the good times and the bad? And my own deep and personal maxim, would I be willing to lay down my life for her?

Now, I'm not a woman, but I'd hazard a guess that their notion of love differs in some ways to ours, but holds similarities. Attraction that surpasses lust. The belief in mutual loyalty and kinship. I hate this nasty, cynical notion that all women are fully aware that they have the ability to manipulate 90% of guys, and that they are unable to maintain any thoughts of loyalty.

Sure, if you give them reason to stray and lose the love they had for you, then fine, it happens to guys as well, but the idea that every last one of the female gender does not have 'natural' traits I find desirable, but instead are all false in order to keep me around, and can change at a moments notice, is sheer madness. Well, actually, the changing at a moments notice is quite plausible, but again, that is a digression.

 

[Kevin Feng]

I've had this debate in my head over and over again. Now, Los Angeles is NOT a good indicator of how life is in most places in the world, it's notorious for being superficial, fake, status-oriented, etc etc. I will say this though, living there for 8 months has taught me some of the most important lessons in life.

Let's be honest here, most of a girl's value is derived from her looks, if she doesn't look good, you're not going to bother with her, even if she has the most stellar personality in the world.

Same with women, they always end up with the *******s and douche who incidentally enough are usually wealthy, good looking, (insert high status marker).

Honestly, I see very little difference between what is classified as superficial and instinctual needs. When I look at a woman with huge breasts and I'm attracted to her, some would classify that as superficial, but isn't that just acting upon.

In regards to true love, i think nowadays, it's especially rare, to stick with the same mate for 25 years straight.

Anyways, don't be naive, all the classic status indicators: money, wealth, power, still all apply, women don't want to date a loser, much as you wouldn't want to date a fat or ugly girl.

In order to get the woman of your dreams, you must first be the man of hers"
-Asian Playboy

 

[Hughman]

I've had this debate in my head over and over again. Now, Los Angeles is NOT a good indicator of how life is in most places in the world, it's notorious for being superficial, fake, status-oriented, etc etc. I will say this though, living there for 8 months has taught me some of the most important lessons in life.

Let's be honest here, most of a girl's value is derived from her looks, if she doesn't look good, you're not going to bother with her, even if she has the most stellar personality in the world.

Same with women, they always end up with the *******s and douche who incidentally enough are usually wealthy, good looking, (insert high status marker).

Honestly, I see very little difference between what is classified as superficial and instinctual needs. When I look at a woman with huge breasts and I'm attracted to her, some would classify that as superficial, but isn't that just acting upon.

In regards to true love, i think nowadays, it's especially rare, to stick with the same mate for 25 years straight.

Anyways, don't be naive, all the classic status indicators: money, wealth, power, still all apply, women don't want to date a loser, much as you wouldn't want to date a fat or ugly girl.

In order to get the woman of your dreams, you must first be the man of hers"
-Asian Playboy

EDIT: All things I should be getting buckets off within the next decade, just need to pass a dozen exams, all of them complete brain-melters.

 

[Captain]

No, I don't think love exists. It's something that people have made up.

Women: love is just strong attraction for a man. That's all. They call it love, but that's just arguing semantics. If a better offer comes along, they'll still cheat on their husband/boyfriend.

Men: love is a mixture of attraction and one-itis. Men who say they are "in love" do EXACTLY the same things as a man with one-itis.