Debate Night: Trump v.s. Hillary

[zekko]

I've seen a number of polls giving Clinton the win, and a number of polls giving Trump the win. Yet when I Google it, the top ones that come up are the CNN and New York Times polls, which have Clinton the strong winner.

I do think the media wants to push Clinton as the winner, and I thought Lester Holt was far from a neutral moderator last night. That said, I still don't think there is any way Trump wins this election. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if we never have another Republican president.

 

[Mike32ct]

I've seen a number of polls giving Clinton the win, and a number of polls giving Trump the win. Yet when I Google it, the top ones that come up are the CNN and New York Times polls, which have Clinton the strong winner.

I do think the media wants to push Clinton as the winner, and I thought Lester Holt was far from a neutral moderator last night. That said, I still don't think there is any way Trump wins this election. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if we never have another Republican president.

True. Maybe it would have been more fair to have two moderators (one right wing and one left wing), and then they would take turns to ensure that both candidates get questioned by both moderators. But even that is questionable because you might get a RINO anti-Trumper and a Democrat, so both mods end up anti-Trump.

Picking one neutral moderator is almost impossible.

 

[Tenacity]

That said, I still don't think there is any way Trump wins this election. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if we never have another Republican president.

I agree. I believe Hillary will win and Trump will just call out the system as being "corrupt". But Republicans might take up many seats in Congress to where pretty much Hillary's first 4 year term accomplishes nothing, because most of what she wants to get passed doesn't end up getting passed.

 

[zekko]

I agree. I believe Hillary will win and Trump will just call out the system as being "corrupt". But Republicans might take up many seats in Congress to where pretty much Hillary's first 4 year term accomplishes nothing, because most of what she wants to get passed doesn't end up getting passed.

May well be. Well, 90% of the time, gridlock is a good thing.

Let me explain why I think it's possible we may never have another Republican president. People who rely on government programs and entitlements will usually vote Democratic because they know they are more likely to keep those in place. This has been a Democratic strategy to increase their base for decades. I think we're finally at the point where the number of people who rely on these programs now make it very difficult for a Republican to be elected president.

Also, Republicans have been called the "white man's party". Minorities vote almost strictly Democrat. Since white men as a percentage of the population continues to decrease, that erodes the Republican base. Feminisms also finds its home in the Democratic party, so women also tend to side with them.

 

[Steady Eddie]

May well be. Well, 90% of the time, gridlock is a good thing.

Let me explain why I think it's possible we may never have another Republican president. People who rely on government programs and entitlements will usually vote Democratic because they know they are more likely to keep those in place. This has been a Democratic strategy to increase their base for decades. I think we're finally at the point where the number of people who rely on these programs now make it very difficult for a Republican to be elected president.

Also, Republicans have been called the "white man's party". Minorities vote almost strictly Democrat. Since white men as a percentage of the population continues to decrease, that erodes the Republican base. Feminisms also finds its home in the Democratic party, so women also tend to side with them.

There's an argument which states those on welfare tend not to vote or even, register to vote.
Like most of the world you have an aging population. This demographic overwhelming vote Republican.
The feminism and minority vote aren't enough to sustain the Democrats.
The college\university student vote doesn't change that fact either.
Especially as you can't get them to register in droves. President Obama being the exception.

Trump should have a clear majority, given his demographic turn up to vote (come what may) and they represent a larger portion of the U.S. populace.
Hence why I say the election is rigged.
Hillary is proven to those who would see her in office (the military industrial complex and the Rothschilds) as oppose to Trump who has never held office.

 

[Bible_Belt]

People who rely on government programs and entitlements will usually vote Democratic because they know they are more likely to keep those in place. This has been a Democratic strategy to increase their base for decades. I think we're finally at the point where the number of people who rely on these programs now make it very difficult for a Republican to be elected president.

Surely you mean old people, right? They are the ones sucking this country dry of resources. If we have a minimum age to vote, there should also be a maximum age. 65 would be a good start.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go
Last year, 24 percent of the budget, or $888 billion, paid for Social Security

Four health insurance programs — Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace subsidies — together accounted for 25 percent of the budget in 2015, or $938 billion. Nearly two-thirds of this amount, or $546 billion, went to Medicare, which provides health coverage to around 55 million people who are over age 65 or have disabilities.

 

[Bible_Belt]

 

[zekko]

Surely you mean old people, right? They are the ones sucking this country dry of resources.

I don't just mean old people (and Steady Eddie, I don't just mean welfare people). My point was that enough people now benefit from various government programs that it decreases the likelihood of a Republican getting elected president.

By the way, I'll be collecting my SSI in another ten years or so (if I live that long). I've paid into it most of my life so the way I see it, they owe me, and I don't see it as some kind of charity. It may be a bad plan or whatever, but I've paid my dues, so I'll be getting it.

You may think a 65 year old shouldn't be able to vote now, but wait until you get closer to that age, you may change your mind.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I'm a little familiar with British politics and even your conservative party is still further left than our democrat party. The amount of domestic spying bull$hit you have in your country is pathetic. Here's a fun tip for everyone: Did you know the UK has their own NRA? Oh it's still around but my god, its a shell of what it used to be. Everyone I ever talk to never knew this, but it's a great example of what happens when you keep rolling over and just taking whatever they throw at you.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I started watching Nigel Farage back around 2009 or so when I heard he went off on Herman van Rompuy...it was great and I followed him ever since. I hope the UKIP movement doesn't die out but my fear is that it will stop short of reasserting a lot of the rights citizens in your nation have lost over the last several decades.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I just think that you Americans are slightly behind us Brits.

Here in the UK, the Labour party (our version of the democrats) have lost the last two elections. They will probably lose the next two as well. We also voted for Brexit. We have simply had enough of this sh*t.

The Labour party even had a "feminist manifesto" for the last general election (I swear that I'm not making that up, Google it if you don't believe me). It was completely rejected.

You guys aren't there yet. You will be. But I hope, that unlike England, it won't be after your country is irrevocably damaged.

I was in a hostel in DC the day Brexit took place. I spoke to a young British chap and he explained to me his point of view. He was coming strictly from an immigration & jobs/economic impact, and it made sense just on that alone. Never mind the Muslim invasion, feminist assault on speech, and domestic terrorism from anti-police, racist hate groups (unique to this country.) And oddly enough, there is an unholy alliance between the three. On BLM's website it claims "we will all be free" and it includes gays, Muslims, and women on that list. Free from who, exactly? And what the hell do gays and Muslims have in common other than there is no group harsher on gays than Muslims are? It reads like a call to white genocide to me - it's the only thing that could unify those three demographics.

And I used to be a liberal. I voted Democrat in 2008 and 2012. I lean left on many social issues. But if the radical left has it's way we won't have a country much longer. My brother's university just came out with a list of buzz words banned on his college campus. It was dozens of trigger words that basically protected every non-white male from ever having their feelings hurt on a college campus. It was disgraceful.

I'm voting for Donald Trump because I realize we can't even debate the minimum wage if we have no borders, rule of law or culture anymore.

 

[zekko]

I just think that you Americans are slightly behind us Brits.

Or we could be a little ahead. The US had its conservative era back in the 80s with Reagan, followed by Bush I (although I don't consider Bush conservative). Even Clinton, who followed, played it fairly middle of the road as a Democrat, then we had Bush II (conservative in some ways).

I could well be wrong, but I think we are at a point in this country where the left is going to dominate for a long time. The only thing that might stop it (and this could very well happen) is a catastrophic collapse that would leave the voters desperate for any kind of change.

 

[Tenacity]

Or we could be a little ahead. The US had its conservative era back in the 80s with Reagan, followed by Bush I (although I don't consider Bush conservative). Even Clinton, who followed, played it fairly middle of the road as a Democrat, then we had Bush II (conservative in some ways).

I could well be wrong, but I think we are at a point in this country where the left is going to dominate for a long time. The only thing that might stop it (and this could very well happen) is a catastrophic collapse that would leave the voters desperate for any kind of change.

I've been saying for a while now that the country is moving CENTER LEFT. We are moving from a Center Right country to a Center Left country. It's why Bernie Sanders (a socialist) pretty much was attractive to nearly 50% of the population considering he damn near beat Hillary for the nomination.

Trump isn't really a Conservative. Trump is more to the left than John Mccain if you ask me. Trump's appeal is that while being a Republican, he actually operates a lot like a Democrat on many issues. He bashes the War (Democrat), he reaches out to Blacks (Democrat), he bashes Bush (Democrat), he talks about crony capitalism (Democrat), he talks about a rigged system (Democrat), and more.

People just have PERSONAL issues with Trump, but if you put another Republican up like a Colin Powell who had the same positions like Trump has.......he would easily beat Hillary. Because while being a Republican, he still has aspects of the "Left" tied into the policy initiatives.

 

[Bible_Belt]

If Hillary would give up on insisting that weed stay illegal, she'd rise 10% in the polls immediately. But she's too hooked on big pharma's donations for that to ever happen. She's the right-wing nutball when it comes to marijuana policy, not Trump.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

If Hillary would give up on insisting that weed stay illegal, she'd rise 10% in the polls immediately. But she's too hooked on big pharma's donations for that to ever happen. She's the right-wing nutball when it comes to marijuana policy, not Trump.

I agree 100% and just said nearly the same thing the other night!

 

[Jaylan]

Hillary is up in several polls. Trump has had a crap week...starting with his sophomoric debate performance.

 

[zekko]

Hillary is up in several polls. Trump has had a crap week...starting with his sophomoric debate performance.

I've been watching some political TV this week. And wow, has the media been blasting Trump this week, I mean with the exception of Fox TV of course, they have just been frigging hammering him. It looks like full out character assassination, I mean they seem to be out to destroy him, and the blood is in the water. I really don't think they need to bother, since Hillary has this in the bag IMO, for good or ill. I guess they aren't taking any chances.

 

[Trunks]

If I were Trump, I'd make darn sure to crush Clinton during the next debate in spite of the bias of the questions. Then highlight that bias as an excuse to not participate in the third, and cruise along from the victory wave. Probably won't happen though.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Hillary is up in several polls. Trump has had a crap week...starting with his sophomoric debate performance.

His only fault was going too soft on both her and that race-baiting, DNC plant called Lester Dolt. His only fault was not being "sophomoric" enough on those two considering it was a handicap match. He should have ripped them both to shreds the way only he knows how.

 

[Jaylan]

I've been watching some political TV this week. And wow, has the media been blasting Trump this week, I mean with the exception of Fox TV of course, they have just been frigging hammering him. It looks like full out character assassination, I mean they seem to be out to destroy him, and the blood is in the water. I really don't think they need to bother, since Hillary has this in the bag IMO, for good or ill. I guess they aren't taking any chances.

Trump brings it on himself though by continually doing and saying dumb crap. Hillary laid traps for him and he falls into them because hes incapable of taking the high ground.

Trump would be easily beating her if he actually pivoted and became presidential after the primary this summer. Too many unforced errors. Now this fool wants to bring up Bill Clinton's past....as if Hillary wont just counter with Trump's own infidelities. He cannot stick to the real issues.

He was winning the debate during discussion of NAFTA, trade, etc....he needs to stay on that topic.