Debate: Global Warming

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

this is something that's been interesting to me for some time now.

debate.

i believe that global warming is false, i have my reasons... but i'd like to see if i should even bother telling my reason if no one even responds.

 

[CCKazi007]

I dislike how Al Gore made the film "Inconveniant Truth" on Global Warming, preaching how everyone should cut down their daily uses of energy to save the world for "the kids" and still have the decency to use a PRIVATE JET/PLANE, drive sh*tty gas wasting cars and own a HUGE HOUSE he DOESN'T NEED.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

ttp://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

There are too many conflicting views/facts on the issue, I'll make my own decisions based on what I observe.

 

[whistler]

If you listen only to, say, James Inhofe, then you'd probably believe there is such a debate.

But there are two sources that anyone taking this seriously cannot avoid:

Peer-reviewed empirical journals

The position statements of established and respected scientific organizations.

In those two sources you'll find consistent and supportive data and tentative conclusions that (a) man has almost definitely contributed to a global rise in temperature (atmospheric and oceanic) because of increased CO2 emmissions in the past ~100 years. This is primarily from the burning of fossil fuels, but also from other sources, such as livestock. And, (b) most models predict rapidly increasing temperatures in the next century and beyond.

Don't take my word for it. To get you started:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/

http://www.aaas.org/

http://www.nationalacademies.org/

People tend to get hung up on (a) above. But the point is that the earth is heating up, and regardless of the reasons, the results aren't going to be pretty.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

You guys are discussing politics.

Just wait until the nazis... I mean mods lock this thread.

 

[John_Galt]

Well, I'll get my 2 cents in before it's locked.

I don't believe in it for two reasons. The first being it hasn't been proved. Proved meaning, there is no conclusive evidence that greenhouse gases cause warming trends. Second, the way it's so being aggressively pushed forward without evidence leads me to believe it's politiking, not science.

Have any of you taken the time to actually look at the reports. :crazy:
The ones by the UN are the craziest. The try so hard to show that CO2 has increased, without the slightest concern to proving CO2 actually causes warmth. They can show as much CO2 increases that they want, it's irrelevant until they prove CO2 actually increases.

Al Gore's movie was hillarious. I liked the CO2 levels are at a high not seen for that last 650,000 years. If you read between the lines, 650,001 years ago, there was more CO2 then there is today. And there wasn't even SUV's and oil companies, oh no! Where did it come from? Could it be that CO2 is perfectly natural to have in the atmosphere. *gasp*

 

[CCKazi007]

You guys are discussing politics.

Just wait until the nazis... I mean mods lock this thread.

How is "Global Warming" politics? Everything can tie into POLITICS, we're diccussing the actual effects and predictions... since when was radiation, ozone and tempreture warming politics?

 

[DJDoomage]

Global warming is false??


Well, scientifically we have evidence of fluctuating temperatures throughout history, such evidence goes back hundreds of millions of years. There is no denying that global warming is real.


Question should be, do humans cause global warming, or is it natural?



Obviously volcanos are known to cause global temperature change. In recent recorded history, lets take 500 years, it draughts and colds were documented due to high concentrations of voulcanic gasses in the upper atmosphere. There is no question that composition of the admosphere has to do with temperatures, as the composition of our atmosphere is controlling "intake and exhaust" of heat into and from earth.


It is not that simple. There is what is called underwater conveyer belt, all the currents inside oceans. Those are responsible for global warming as well, and although this is a new theory, I believe they have evidence that links last ice age (think Erick Red..... Iceland, Greenland, wineland, Vikings) to mulfunctioning/alterations from normal of this conveyer belt. Could atmosphere and the amount of heat intake and exhaust cause this alterations?



There is no question that humans pollute the Earth. Do you have doubts? Go outside and start your car, then smell the exhaust. Well, a small factory would equal to many cars, and there are many factories in each state, millions in the United States, many more globally.



I have a question. How many species (animals, fish, insects, plants, etc) are extinct daily?
































































The number is in the thousand to 2 thousand range. 1000 to 2000 species are estimated to be extinct daily!!!!!!!!!!! A number I learned in college about 5 years ago. 1000 to 2000 species are gone and will never be found on the face of our planet, every day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month, 365 days a year, every year.

Is this natural?



Do you like polar bear? What about polar bear? I heard its about time for it to go.............. Naturally??

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

How is "Global Warming" politics? Everything can tie into POLITICS, we're diccussing the actual effects and predictions... since when was radiation, ozone and tempreture warming politics?

If its not officially approved by diablo or Desdinova... its deffinetly politics. If you argue with the mods you are wrong. Everything they say is always right and no exception to this rule.

 

[John_Galt]

Global warming is false??


Well, scientifically we have evidence of fluctuating temperatures throughout history, such evidence goes back hundreds of millions of years. There is no denying that global warming is real.


Question should be, do humans cause global warming, or is it natural?

Yeah, but when people say global warming, they don't literally mean it's getting warmer, but getting warmer due to greenhouse gases.

Obviously volcanos are known to cause global temperature change. In recent recorded history, lets take 500 years, it draughts and colds were documented due to high concentrations of voulcanic gasses in the upper atmosphere. There is no question that composition of the admosphere has to do with temperatures, as the composition of our atmosphere is controlling "intake and exhaust" of heat into and from earth.


It is not that simple. There is what is called underwater conveyer belt, all the currents inside oceans. Those are responsible for global warming as well, and although this is a new theory, I believe they have evidence that links last ice age (think Erick Red..... Iceland, Greenland, wineland, Vikings) to mulfunctioning/alterations from normal of this conveyer belt. Could atmosphere and the amount of heat intake and exhaust cause this alterations?



There is no question that humans pollute the Earth. Do you have doubts? Go outside and start your car, then smell the exhaust. Well, a small factory would equal to many cars, and there are many factories in each state, millions in the United States, many more globally.

Great. Still doesn't prove anything.

The number is in the thousand to 2 thousand range. 1000 to 2000 species are estimated to be extinct daily!!!!!!!!!!! A number I learned in college about 5 years ago. 1000 to 2000 species are gone and will never be found on the face of our planet, every day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month, 365 days a year, every year.

Is this natural?

Darwinism. Maybe you've heard of it.

Do you like polar bear? What about polar bear? I heard its about time for it to go.............. Naturally??

Actually the polar bear population is growing. The one that showed they were declining was a study in Alaska and the scientists concluded that since the polar bear population was shrinking there, it was shrinking everywhere, Which was found not to be true since in Canada polar bear population is growing.
But on another sense, Polar Bears will die. And will go extinct sometime. It's Darwinism.

It's great though that you try to use these emotional gripping stories to prove greenhouse gases cause the earth to get warmer. I'm sorry, I look at it too objectively to feel emotion. I don't care if polar bears and kawala bears go extinct, it's just as natural as ice ages and warming trends.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Yeah, but when people say global warming, they don't literally mean it's getting warmer, but getting warmer due to greenhouse gases.

So its not getting warmer... but instead its getting warmer.

You sir, are an idiot.

 

[John_Galt]

So its not getting warmer... but instead its getting warmer.

You sir, are an idiot.

I never said it wasn't getting warmer. The debate is whether WE as humans are making it get warmer. I guarantee we are getting warmer, and it's been doing it for the last 18000 years. And what was the significance of 18000 years ago, the peak of the ice age.

 

[CCKazi007]

If its not officially approved by diablo or Desdinova... its deffinetly politics. If you argue with the mods you are wrong. Everything they say is always right and no exception to this rule.

Most threads aren't approved by the mods like "Going to China where's the sluts" ya that racially shallow thread is DEFINETLY APPROVED by the mods right? Mods are here to regulate the rules nothing else the RULES state no dicussion of POLITICS! "Global Warming" is NOT POLITICS it's current habitat event just because POLITICIANS ARGUE over it doesn't mean it's POLITICAL. Is gas prices politics too? There's been about 20 threads on that topic.

Global Warming can be good actually, I hate winter and there's going to be more water and less land so people need to get along with each other and make good use of what's left. If animals can't handle the suddle change in the enviorment they deserve to die according to "Survival of the fittest" by Darwin and I think it's true for everything.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

I never said it wasn't getting warmer. The debate is whether WE as humans are making it get warmer. I guarantee we are getting warmer, and it's been doing it for the last 18000 years. And what was the significance of 18000 years ago, the peak of the ice age.

Yes, but there is a correlation with excess CO2 (from human activity) in the air and the increase in temperature.

Yes the earth has been getting warmer, however. Ever since all this industrialization... the earth has ben getting even warmer faster.
http://www.pca.state.mn.us/artwork/indicators/0402-figure1.gif

Brownie point if you can put a dot just where the era of industrialization began.

Here's another that shows a similar correlation except it spans 450 thousand years of data.
http://www.architecture2030.org/images/current_situation/CS02-CO2-Temperature.gif

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

If animals can't handle the suddle change in the enviorment they deserve to die according to "Survival of the fittest" by Darwin and I think it's true for everything.

Good luck with that one. If the animals die, we die too. (including you)

You know since we humans have this little thing that we require. You know, food.

I'm sure you don't need it though.

 

[DJDoomage]

YOu all need to go and find forums where escimos post stuff, ask them if ice is shrinking and its getting warmer.

 

[CCKazi007]

Good luck with that one. If the animals die, we die too. (including you)

You know since we humans have this little thing that we require. You know, food.

I'm sure you don't need it though.

err... do u even understand evolution? No sh*t sherlock humans need water, food and shelter. Even if Global Warming kills animals evolution says the "well adapted" animals will survive and take over, so basically there WILL BE FOOD. I was argueing why so many people are concerned over "close to extinction species" they are weak animals that failed to adapt or another similar species took over and it's their time to GO. Global Warming is just a climate change, it's really not a big deal if the tempreture rises (couple degrees) ppl will adapt to it by staying indoors or wearing more sun screen.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

YOu all need to go and find forums where escimos post stuff, ask them if ice is shrinking and its getting warmer.

They're called Eskimos.

 

[Rata Blanca]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20070306-122226-6282r.htm

 

[John_Galt]

That's not proof though. As much as you want it to be, it's not. You can correlate all you want.

Yes, but there is a correlation with excess CO2 (from human activity) in the air and the increase in temperature.

Take your statement here. This is what separates science from ignorance.

There is a correlation with the increase in televisions and increase in temperature.
There is a correlation with the increase in milk being consume and increase in temperature.

Just because X increases, doesn't mean Y increased because of X. In science you need to come up with this thing called "proof". The link between X and Y. And the link that if X does this, Y will does this.

I'm sure you could correlate all day. Try correlating with toe nail clippings, toilet paper, and child porn. I guarantee you can do it.

Wow, and look at those graphs, I bet you never thought for a second how they could produce it such accurate temperatures from 450,000 years ago, especially in such a small range of a few degrees. Hmmm! Call me skeptical.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

err... do u even understand evolution? No sh*t sherlock humans need water, food and shelter. Even if Global Warming kills animals evolution says the "well adapted" animals will survive and take over, so basically there WILL BE FOOD. I was argueing why so many people are concerned over "close to extinction species" they are weak animals that failed to adapt or another similar species took over and it's their time to GO. Global Warming is just a climate change, it's really not a big deal if the tempreture rises (couple degrees) ppl will adapt to it by staying indoors or wearing more sun screen.

Yes. The hardy species will survive. Like ****aroaches, rats, weeds.

This is already geting to be a problem in Asian countries where they have increasing diseases (and more powerful ones too.)

Let's not forget the problems for weather. Stronger tornadoes (and more of em too) from warmer oceans, increasing ocean levels which will kill something like 300-400+ million people worldwide living in coastal cities if Greenland keeps melting, lack of freshwater in areas where they depend on Glaciers like most of Asia. And os on and so forth.

Yeah, we'll just wear sunscreen. That will make the problem go away.

Hey, do you know what sunscreen is for? It protects against UV radiation in areas where the ozone is thin. It doesn't protect against heat. Moron.