DBOT question

[yuppaz]

Dude,

You're like my hero of the forums. You seem like you really know your sh*t and don't (or do actually) f*ck around. How did you get to the point you are at today where you can pull, pull pull without issue? I want to be you, my hero DBOT! Help a DJ out.

 

[Drewskie]

Hahahaha, I wonder the same thing. He must be good looking, cuz the bastard makes it seem soo easy. Fukt up thing is, he's a lot younger than both of us and is already big pimpin.

 

[yuppaz]

Common DBOT, there is more to your game then giving her a piece of paper. I read one of your older threads that you do some NLP etc. when just sitting down. Help us out here. What do we need to do specifically to improve. I'll buy you a beer if you ever get out to Hawaii.

Common big pimpin, spread the cheese

 

[Drewskie]

Don't worry man, he'll get around to answering. But honestly, I think like people have said about the mindset of a natural, he really doesn't know how other people CAN"T get it. Almost like someone asking you how to drink water, you know exactly what you are doing, but really can't describe it.

 

[dbot]

Thanks guys for the kind words. I can't say that I'm bad looking, but I'm definitely no Brad Pitt. I'm also not a natural, so don't get the idea that I was born with some special skill that others don't have. When I first joined this forum I was just as clueless as anyone else (and I'm sure I still have a lot to learn). However, I can say that at some point during my transformation everything sort of "clicked" and fell into place.

One thing that I've come to realize is that almost everyone underestimates their sexual attractiveness. You may not be physically good looking, but that doesn't mean you're not sexually attractive. Fortunately for us, our sexuality doesn't play the same ball game that our eyes do.

This is one of those "red pill" situations that you won't really believe until the proof is staring you right in the face. But once you understand it; once you truly believe it, you can't fail. When you finally realize, "wow, 9 out of 10 women in this room really would fuck me," that right there will put you on an entirely new level. And you can call bullshit all you want, but it's the truth. Sure, it doesn't mean they actually will fuck you, but hypothetically speaking, they would.

It's this single idea that blows the entire "physical attraction is important" argument out of the water. Yes, having a hot body and symmetrical face will will turn heads and make things easier, but in the grand scheme of things, the ones who get laid are the ones who make the moves. The right moves.

The rest is all about having an objective. When you talk to women, what do you want from them? A date? A fuck? Most guys don't have a predetermined objective when they approach, and thus, don't ever get anywhere. If you know exactly what you want, then generally you will get it.

My game really is as simple as I say it is. I don't have any hidden tricks to show you. However, what makes me so successful isn't really my ability to pick up women, but my ability to gauge her attraction before I approach. The way she looks at me as I walk up to her. The way her body tenses up, just a little, as I hold eye contact. Her eyelids lower slightly with her gaze and her heart beats faster with her arousal. This isn't something I can see, but something I can feel. When it happens, I also get aroused. This is sexual attraction at its most primitive form. It never lies to me.

All of this comes with experience. You have to try and keep trying. You have to fail... a LOT. You have to be extremely comfortable with your body, as well as with her body. There is such a thing as a sexual vibe, or aura, and you project it naturally with your arousal. That thread I made, "Obey Your Dick," was meant to be a joke, but it's probably some of the best advice I've given.

I hope that answered your question

 

[Drewskie]

Thanks for info man. And I will bet, you didn't constantly read all the "seduction material" out there like myself and a lot of others attempt to do. It seems like all the guys who get laid just go out and talk to every goddam girl they see, as opposed to trying every different trick in the book.

 

[yuppaz]

Thanks DBOT, I think I know what you mean about spotting interest. It seems that if I dress well and have a little swagger, I can spot the interested easily and just go talk to them. Love the advice about listening to your d*ck too..lmao. I am trying to let myself catch wood when I want to f*ck a girl. One sticking point (of many) when I have this kind of intent. Should I come on strong as in "let's go hang out at my place right now" after a few minutes of convo, or still go through meeting up for something or other. You would be proud pimp papa, the one chick I number closed I did it by asking her to come over to help me decorate. I think she knows I wanna f*ck and she is fine with it. got wood when talking to that one.

 

[Solomon]

Thanks guys for the kind words. I can't say that I'm bad looking, but I'm definitely no Brad Pitt. I'm also not a natural, so don't get the idea that I was born with some special skill that others don't have. When I first joined this forum I was just as clueless as anyone else (and I'm sure I still have a lot to learn). However, I can say that at some point during my transformation everything sort of "clicked" and fell into place.

One thing that I've come to realize is that almost everyone underestimates their sexual attractiveness. You may not be physically good looking, but that doesn't mean you're not sexually attractive. Fortunately for us, our sexuality doesn't play the same ball game that our eyes do.

This is one of those "red pill" situations that you won't really believe until the proof is staring you right in the face. But once you understand it; once you truly believe it, you can't fail. When you finally realize, "wow, 9 out of 10 women in this room really would fuck me," that right there will put you on an entirely new level. And you can call bullshit all you want, but it's the truth. Sure, it doesn't mean they actually will fuck you, but hypothetically speaking, they would.

It's this single idea that blows the entire "physical attraction is important" argument out of the water. Yes, having a hot body and symmetrical face will will turn heads and make things easier, but in the grand scheme of things, the ones who get laid are the ones who make the moves. The right moves.

The rest is all about having an objective. When you talk to women, what do you want from them? A date? A fuck? Most guys don't have a predetermined objective when they approach, and thus, don't ever get anywhere. If you know exactly what you want, then generally you will get it.

My game really is as simple as I say it is. I don't have any hidden tricks to show you. However, what makes me so successful isn't really my ability to pick up women, but my ability to gauge her attraction before I approach. The way she looks at me as I walk up to her. The way her body tenses up, just a little, as I hold eye contact. Her eyelids lower slightly with her gaze and her heart beats faster with her arousal. This isn't something I can see, but something I can feel. When it happens, I also get aroused. This is sexual attraction at its most primitive form. It never lies to me.

All of this comes with experience. You have to try and keep trying. You have to fail... a LOT. You have to be extremely comfortable with your body, as well as with her body. There is such a thing as a sexual vibe, or aura, and you project it naturally with your arousal. That thread I made, "Obey Your Dick," was meant to be a joke, but it's probably some of the best advice I've given.

I hope that answered your question

BINGO

Co-sign, a lotta guys don't know how to gauge body language or interest or disinterest, Dbot's game sounds a lot like mine "less is more"

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[Lust]

I liked a lot of what you said, but what you said about having an objective needs to be done the right way.

The rest is all about having an objective. When you talk to women, what do you want from them? A date? A fuck? Most guys don't have a predetermined objective when they approach, and thus, don't ever get anywhere. If you know exactly what you want, then generally you will get it.

In my opinion, your objective should just be to have a good time. Being too result orientated can send a needy vibe, and is more discouraging if you do not end up getting what you wanted. Being too focused on a "goal" can mindfvck you a little, and prevent you from just enjoying being in the moment and having a genuinely good interaction with other people.

That being said, it's ok to be ruthless with time wasters. Next and move on. But by time wasters i don't mean "will this girl put out", i think that in itself is too result orientated. By screening for time wasters i think it's more important to think along the lines of "am i going to have a good time around her?", if no, leave, if yes, continue the interaction but don't get too attached to a specific result.

That's just my two cents

 

[Solomon]

I liked a lot of what you said, but what you said about having an objective needs to be done the right way.



In my opinion, your objective should just be to have a good time. Being too result orientated can send a needy vibe, and is more discouraging if you do not end up getting what you wanted. Being too focused on a "goal" can mindfvck you a little, and prevent you from just enjoying being in the moment and having a genuinely good interaction with other people.

That being said, it's ok to be ruthless with time wasters. Next and move on. But by time wasters i don't mean "will this girl put out", i think that in itself is too result orientated. By screening for time wasters i think it's more important to think along the lines of "am i going to have a good time around her?", if no, leave, if yes, continue the interaction but don't get too attached to a specific result.

That's just my two cents

I agree with this as well

However I think when you approach there should be a balance(whats the point of just approaching if there is no goal?), for me when I stopped being "outcome dependent" my game started to improve and my interactions became more natural, when my interactions seem forced that's when my game is sloppy, hence a lot of cats I see at clubs get blown out cause they too "thirsty"

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[dbot]

Sorry for such a late response. I didn't see these last posts until just now.

In my opinion, your objective should just be to have a good time. Being too result orientated can send a needy vibe, and is more discouraging if you do not end up getting what you wanted. Being too focused on a "goal" can mindfvck you a little, and prevent you from just enjoying being in the moment and having a genuinely good interaction with other people.

I disagree with you and here's why:

How many times have you seen guys on this board talk about how they never know what to say to girls? They might start off strong at first, but then the conversation wears thin and the dude bails out and wonders what happened.

This happens because the guy has no direction. If you do not have some kind of objective or predetermined destination, you will wander off course and get lost. To simply "have a good time" is a bad objective because it's vague, not measurable in a definitive or practical sense (it gives you no direction), and most importantly, it's a lie. When you approach a woman that you are sexually attracted to, there's a little bit more on your mind than "having a good time." If there isn't, then you've got bigger issues to sort out.

Don't lie to yourself. When you approach women (for the sake of pickup), you always want something from them, and 100% of the time it's sexual. You either:

want to have sex with her
want to have sex with her and possibly date her
want to date her and then have sex with her
want to find out if she's interesting and then have sex with her
want to have sex with her and never see her again because you already know she's annoying.

So set a measurable goal, one that brings you somewhat closer to getting what you actually want (sex, a gf+sex, a date+sex, etc). If you do this, then you will always have a direction when you're talking to women, and you will never find yourself cluelessly staring at her in awkward silence. And yes, it is totally possible to have a direction or intention without looking needy or desperate. That's what confidence is, and if guys have the confidence to approach, then they should have what it takes to not look too "thirsty."

 

[DJVladdy]

Lust I disagree:

The GOAL should not be to have fun/ have good interactions with people. Why? because you ASSUME that it is happening. When I go out I don't get this as my goal because I KNOW ALREADY that i can easily have a good time and meet people and have nice interactions. That is a GIVEN, not a GOAL.

It's what normal people do.. that's why i do not understand when PUA's say "go out with an intent to have fun/interact". So i was like okay, then what..?

 

[Drewskie]

Sorry for such a late response. I didn't see these last posts until just now.


I disagree with you and here's why:

How many times have you seen guys on this board talk about how they never know what to say to girls? They might start off strong at first, but then the conversation wears thin and the dude bails out and wonders what happened.

This happens because the guy has no direction. If you do not have some kind of objective or predetermined destination, you will wander off course and get lost. To simply "have a good time" is a bad objective because it's vague, not measurable in a definitive or practical sense (it gives you no direction), and most importantly, it's a lie. When you approach a woman that you are sexually attracted to, there's a little bit more on your mind than "having a good time." If there isn't, then you've got bigger issues to sort out.

Don't lie to yourself. When you approach women (for the sake of pickup), you always want something from them, and 100% of the time it's sexual. You either:

want to have sex with her
want to have sex with her and possibly date her
want to date her and then have sex with her
want to find out if she's interesting and then have sex with her
want to have sex with her and never see her again because you already know she's annoying.

So set a measurable goal, one that brings you somewhat closer to getting what you actually want (sex, a gf+sex, a date+sex, etc). If you do this, then you will always have a direction when you're talking to women, and you will never find yourself cluelessly staring at her in awkward silence. And yes, it is totally possible to have a direction or intention without looking needy or desperate. That's what confidence is, and if guys have the confidence to approach, then they should have what it takes to not look too "thirsty."

Good post..... I was one of the ones that just posted about how I don't have sh1t to say....how do establish ths goal without looking like a real chump??

 

[dbot]

There is nothing chump-like about being clear with your intentions or having a specific reason to talk to someone.

If your goal is to get her number or a date, then approach her with that intention. Introduce yourself, ask her some questions about herself so you can learn a little about her, and then ask if she wants to hang out sometime or whatever and get her number. That's a pretty assertive, honest way to approach.

Of course, you can adapt your approach to the situation or whatever, but your objective is what ultimately matters. As long as your conversation has a purpose, you shouldn't have a problem reaching the finish line.