David Deangelo - Is it worth it? is it worth my time?

Are David Deangelo's programs, ebooks or courses worth my time?

  • Yes, they are definitly worth the time

    Votes: 9 33.3%
  • A selected few are helpful

    Votes: 8 29.6%
  • They're helpful but there are some much better dating programs

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Only if you have a lot of time on your hands

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • No they are waste of time, effort, life

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • i would rather eat my own genitals off than recommed his stuff

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    27

HOT_CHILLI

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I have gone through and seen David's extensive collection of dating courses, ebooks, videos and audio books. i have gone through posts and many believe that David's material is quite weak and a waste of money and time.
I really want people's opinion on this. It the material any good? if one could
even get any of his material for free would it be worth their time?

with so many programs out there surely there's a few which are helpful.
There's the Mastery program, the advanced series, ****y comedy, double your dating, sexual communication (which ive heard good things about) the 77 laws and quite a lot more.

Im 18 and starting year 12 and am going to spend a lot of time studying and i was wanting to know that if i were to spend any of my free time on dating material, would it bother with David D? if not please give me your opinion of the VERY best dating material which you believe has influenced you the most. i am deeply appreciate replies. thank you for your time
 

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Well if you want to take the scholastic studying approach, think of it as Chemistry. You can only learn so much from reading the book...there comes a time when you need to do some labs to really grasp the concepts. You can learn more in one night applying what you know than in a month of reading stuff online. This should only help you fine tune your game and give you a different perspective.
 

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Hey thanks for the reply. but spose there was a girl i saw that i liked that i wanted to have some decent knowledge from the get go. i mean, im 18, and since im in year 12 im not gonna be able to go out into the field and just try and improve my game from practice all that much. i mean that's the way it'll have to happen eventually but i do need some decent theory first.
 

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WHAT?? Not able to be in the field! Your smack tab right in the thick of it every day. Senior in highschool, you have four grades of delectable girls to choose from. Not to mention after school activities, parties, ski trips and such. I wouldn't waste my time or money on David D's stuff. There's more than enough info on Sosuave and many of the posters here can give you some good advice. Like a previous poster has already mentioned, it all comes down to trying, the best way to learn is to actually interact with girls.
 

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Some of the body language stuff has to be seen,not read about. At your age any information is going to be useful. Some you can get here,some you can't.
 

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I could write a review on the few videos I saw by David Deangelo, but perhaps even that would be a waist of your time. I think there is some good information in there just as well as in many other products, but the truth is that you really don't need it to succeed. Additionally and similar to a lot of the other top gurus out there, David D has the most excellent marketing techniques, but that doesn't mean he knows how to teach you how to get laid. The other problem I see with a lot of what those guys teach is that while they do have some good points, the most important points you need in order to succeed are left out, additionally a lot of what they teach is coming from the wrong mindset right from the get go. Whether they know those points or not, I don't know, but the fact is they want to milk you and take all your money. They want you to believe getting women is hard and so you keep coming back for more. Unfortunately it took me a very long time to figure that out.

Think about it like this. Attraction is natural. It happens naturally. Some will like you and others won't. If you can realize that then you won't have to waist your time trying to figure out how to attract more women. Because that isn't the problem. The problem is that you need to develop a system for yourself that allows you to get what you want. That means you have to talk to the women who you want and find out which ones want you too, and choose from there; then take the steps necessary in order to get them into bed. But the answers to those steps won't be found in books or videos. You have to learn to read women like books and respond accordingly.

The other thing is that if you notice in the real world, the biggest players don't think much about what they are doing. Some of them (not all) barely have any brains. That's because it doesn't take a long strategy to get a woman. You just have to go for it. And honestly, if you don't even have the brains to think about if she likes you or not or if what you are doing is good or not, your going to be light years ahead of all the rest of the guys who spend their lives studying and all that stupid stuff. I mean, you don't have to be a mechanical engineer in order to drive a car!

It took me a long time to figure that stuff out. I spend well over a year studying all that stuff. Most of the teachers out there teach garbage. One of my good friends told me he just says and does what ever he wants. But I never believed in him and that I could do the same as him. But eventually I ended up doing things like him anyways. Because he was right. And when I finally found the right information I was looking for, I never looked back. I tell you something else, a good friend of mine I met on another site who also goes to this one, he never watched any videos or anything like that. He just went out and kept trying and trying until he got it right. Eventually he got to the point where he was dating multiple women and then dropped it down to one because he was happy with her. As for me, my friend inspired me to do the same. I've been going out every week and having fun. I've been progressing that way. And to tell you the truth, because I dropped all the old bull**** I used to do and started just doing and saying what ever I wanted, I can now do things that some of the gurus don't even teach such as make out with a hot girl I just met within a few minutes before I even know her name. And now I am on my way to do better things, such as get more dates and girlfriends or what ever I want.

I will tell you the literature I came across that has helped me out the most and got me away from studying everything in site. David X is the teacher. His marketing strategies suck which is why you probably never heard of him, but I hear that's only because he isn't interested in getting as rich as all the other gurus out there who lie to guys and milk them. He only has one video set and one book, but that's pretty much all you need. He has also got other things online such as podcasts, interviews, including an interview he did with David D. There is also a meeting that was recorded by the Montreal lair when they had him as a guest. His seminar is actually on youtube.

David X teaches a dirt simple strategy in order to get what you want, which should be the main point of all this. He gives you what you need to get started, but the real learning takes place in real life. You follow a simple strategy that is proven to work, but the attitude takes time to develop. You don't want to be a guy who studies endlessly trying to figure out how to get laid instead of going out and trying, but never gets it. Instead you want to get this part of your life handled so you can move on with your life.

Out of all the studying and weird brainwashed beliefs I went through, the teachings of David X is what got me away from all that. He is the only teacher who I learned honesty and integrity from, why honesty actually works the best, how to demand respect for myself, to get over my fears of women and be comfortable with them, a strategy that works wonderfully and without having to think too much and its low in stress, and to believe in and love myself just the way I am. All the other guys out there are selling you nothing but fantasies, but what they teach doesn't work. If you listen to the recording the guys from the Montreal lair did you will see they went through the same **** I did. They were former students of guys such as RJ, DD, and MM, and they didn't start to see the light of how easy things can be until they got in touch with David X. Because he's the only guy who tells you the truth.

I like to think of it like this. Have you ever seen the movie Forest Gump? Remember how the doctor made him put the braces on his legs? They restricted him to move well until one day he started running and they fell off. You find out he didn't need the braces all along and he was better off without them. To me, that is a metaphor of how all those guys out there teach pickup lines and routines instead of believing in yourself. Its garbage, it restricts you, and it doesn't work. When you learn to be truthful and say exactly what is on your mind its the same thing as when Forest's braces fell off. Guys who do that are the best. That's what David X teaches you how to do.

And consider yourself lucky to have heard this early on. There are too many other guys out there who have turned into wackos because of all the bull**** that has been taught in the seduction community.

And BTW, I'm clearly new to this site so I'm not saying anything good or bad about it. But I hear there are some gems, especially in the old literature.
 

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I subscribed to David deangelo's emails, but they were of no help to me whatsoever.
 

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hey thanks for your honest opinion on the matter. One of the current themes now days in dating is to go to work on yourself rather than on women, which is what david d. does(according to him). Ive found from the few things that ive read and listened of his he tries not to teach techniques so much but different attitudes, beliefs and behaviours which should eventually become intergrated in your personality after going over the material in theory and in the field.

so i believe the idea in david d's stuff (and in the dj bible and such) is that any sort of technique should become a part of who you are, acting and reacting in a certain way around women without conscious thought. the problem is there is so much material that the only real way to know whats good is to first find congruencey within varieties of dating material; find the things that are common to all or many and then apply that in the field. the main problem with that is my time is in short supply this year and so i was hoping there would be one or items which would have the best of stuff.

I mean i do believe there are some decent ideas within the material (i havent paid for any of it i have access to all of it through a friend) like in david's 77 laws he tells you to never criticize, condemm or complain, stop apologizing for everything (when you really shouldnt), stop comparing yourself to others and much more. but of course in the 77 laws he only provides little snippets of info and in order to get the full take on them i would have to go through hours of talk, text and video to find the stuff which even then may not be what i thought it was.

since im not currently paying for any of it, do you believe it is worth it?
 

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I'm not really a big fan of David DeAngelo's works, he is a great marketer taking advantage of a market that is sexually frustrated and starved. I would recommend David X's relentless seminar which can be found on youtube.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
Depends. How AFC are you?

well ok ill explain how it goes for me.

i have many friends who are girls. at least 5 who am very close friends with.
i havent been much of a party go-er before but ive been to 3 within the last 6 months. im only 18 and in year 12 so im not in the clubbing/bar scene yet.

i can intiate conversations with most women in most enviroments (i work as a cashier at woolworths which helps)
i think my problem is that i find it diffiicult to keep a woman engaged and interested in the conversation.

i am currently studying a bunch of books on body language including The Definitive Book Of Body Language, Body Language for Dummies and the Body Language Project. l have read Real World Seduction by Swinggcat, parts of DYD and many posts on this website.

I have yet to find ways to initiate kino in some settings. i need to learn how to tease/ball bust better as well as to take a woman on an emotional rollercoaster.

i hope that a sufficient explanation
 

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So you don't see the problem yet? You are studying all sorts of things and they all have promise that you will get tons of babes and yet you still think you need to learn how to do more things. But you are wrong.

All of the best players I have known never did any of that stuff. You want to know what is special about them? They don't care what anyone thinks about them and go after what they want relentlessly.

You say David Deangelo says you have to work on yourself first. Well, I don't think so. That implies that you aren't good enough just the way you are and that you need to change. And that is a very bad belief. All you have to do to get women is chase them. There are guys out there including me in the past who seem to have everything in place and they still don't get girls because they don't even try.

And when it comes to the important things in your life that might make a difference, you will figure it all out as you go along. I know that when I dress good and go out it makes a difference if some women will talk to me or not, and some even walk up to me more. I know if I want to bang a woman I better be ready and have my room clean and things like that. And when I go out and meet new and hotter women it excites me. It makes me want to do better things. I know that a woman doesn't spend all sorts of money on fancy clothes and all day long putting on make up just to meet a guy who doesn't have everything looking great. So it makes me want to keep my place nice and have nice furniture.

And the other thing is you really don't know what those women will be like. They are not all like in the books like what you think. So you have to go out and meet them and get to know them and see what they are like. You have to experiment a bit, but they are all different. No two women are the same.

David D says you have to be ****y. But that is not true. If you have the right attitude you will be able to say what ever you want and be comfortable around women and they will be comfortable around you. It displays confidence I suppose, not that I believe you need that. And you will put women with attitude problems right in their place.

And you also said you have trouble keeping a woman's attention. Have you ever thought it might be her problem instead of you? Maybe she's just stupid and you have to find a different woman.

Think about this. You studied all sorts of things. David D has all sorts of seminars and additionally the 77 laws. You mean to tell me I need to remember that much stuff just to get laid? Its a joke man. Its a waist of time that you don't have. And while you're trying to learn how to be someone else that you aren't, all the guys who don't give a crap are going to be the ones getting the girls.

I tell you something. When you develop the I don't give a crap attitude, everything else falls into place.

I'm probably even wasting my time typing this to you because you won't even believe me. That's how I was for a long time. But I finally got it and got over it.

I remember one time I went to the mall and ended up chatting with one of those hired guns and she seemed to be really flattered by me. She told me I wasn't like the other guys. She said they were ****y. The thing is if she works in the mall I could only imagine how many guys try to go up to her and act ****y to her and things like that only to fail and walk away. All I do is just say whats on my mind.

And the other thing I noticed is that when I go to the club and look around and I see some guys going to women and attempting to say their game to them only to fail. I think some of them even try to pretend like they aren't interested in the woman sexually or they put on some sort of act, which is normal these days and that's what a lot of the gurus teach. They want to talk to the women. As if the woman doesn't know why you are talking to her? Its crazy and probably annoying to women when that happens. They spend all sorts of time getting ready to go out and look beautiful so they can hopefully meet a real man and all they get is guys trying to put on an act in front of them and hide their desires. Its no wonder why they get annoyed when guys try to give them small talk in clubs. And that's why I can get a make out there real quickly and easily. Because I know they want it and I want it. And I don't care what they think. And I certainly know they don't care at all about what I have to say either. I skip all that. Not David D or any of those other guys will teach you how to do that.
 

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I didn't 'follow' his stuff, but listened to most of it. I use audiotapes mostly so I can listen during work or stuff. I don't think the video version adds that much to the whole. Didn't pay for the goods but it's definitely worth some money. Not sure how much though.

Pro:
I find him highly insightfull and to my opinion covers a lot of the good information about attraction out there. the basics, the advanced and a lot more others don't cover. Therefore I recommend listening to his stuff several times. He tends more toward the natural behavior: about becoming who you are, become succesful overall, and being a man. And I like that. (I dislike purely technical pua's like Mystery, but I am made to understand he is awesome if you just want to get laid and want to invest loads of time and energy to achieve just that and nothing more.) He is analytical, insightfull and can verbalize and improvise very well. Basically he is the better version of Tyler. His work is also great to start getting familiar with the pua community and its thinking.

Contra:
He does tend to be cerebral and theoretical. Overthink things. Trying to be to overarching and wanting to touch on to many subjects at a time. He also tends to repeat himself too much in his different programs. So much that I don't think the programs differ enough in content from eachother to be made seperately. He could do with much lesser products. He also uses to many sidekicks which can be confusing and annoying. Also some times he is to much of a quack (his association with dr. Paul comes to mind) but that's part of being a pua I guess.

Conclusion:
To me he is definitely one of the better teachers there is. He is as more of a businessman then a pua though. But I really feel he is honest and strives to do good. The money comes secondary to integrity. if you want to have a feel for his style, start with his "77 laws of succes with women". They are awesome.

Some specific stuff that stands out and come to mind: being in your own reality where she can be the guest; body language; Rick; evolutionary biology/psychology; learning; do things first, then understand.
 

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If you have a Barnes and Noble near you, you can go there and read through his book and get an idea of what is going on. I don't see any harm in reading through it. There are others there too. It's in the Self Improvement section. I enjoy reading through seduction material, because it is motivating and it lets you put your mind in certain situations. I haven't read through any one book yet all the way. I have read certain portions and I do plan to start a little library of useful books on the subject that I can read when I need motivation or when I need to revisit a well made point. The problem with reading too much of course is you become a robot, but I don't think that will happen so much if you practice the real world method of try, fail, and try again.
 

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Go to youtube

you can get his entire seminar for free on youtube.

search approaching women.
 

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HOT_CHILLI said:
well ok ill explain how it goes for me.

i have many friends who are girls. at least 5 who am very close friends with.
i havent been much of a party go-er before but ive been to 3 within the last 6 months. im only 18 and in year 12 so im not in the clubbing/bar scene yet.

i can intiate conversations with most women in most enviroments (i work as a cashier at woolworths which helps)
i think my problem is that i find it diffiicult to keep a woman engaged and interested in the conversation.

i am currently studying a bunch of books on body language including The Definitive Book Of Body Language, Body Language for Dummies and the Body Language Project. l have read Real World Seduction by Swinggcat, parts of DYD and many posts on this website.

I have yet to find ways to initiate kino in some settings. i need to learn how to tease/ball bust better as well as to take a woman on an emotional rollercoaster.

i hope that a sufficient explanation
Yeah it might help. Read/listen to his stuff with a grain of salt. Understand WHY he says the things he does and you will be successful.
 

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David DeAngelo stuff is pretty neat

First stuff I've ever studied was DeAngelo's stuff. Since I knew nothing at this time, I found that his e-book were really interesting since he was really going into the depth of it.

I've received LOTS of audio cd's from him in the last years. It's all interviews he does with other Dating coach. I found MOST of the interviews boring and useless (it's just about hearing what you already know). But some of them (1 or 2) were really interesting. I remember the name of 1 of them, Brad P who was really great.

Going back to DeAngelo, every approach I did was based on the informations I've learned in his book. So I'm pretty much sold to the guy.

I'd say his stuff is good for people who are new to the dating scene.
 

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bornyesterday said:
I didn't 'follow' his stuff, but listened to most of it. I use audiotapes mostly so I can listen during work or stuff. I don't think the video version adds that much to the whole. Didn't pay for the goods but it's definitely worth some money. Not sure how much though.

Pro:
I find him highly insightfull and to my opinion covers a lot of the good information about attraction out there. the basics, the advanced and a lot more others don't cover. Therefore I recommend listening to his stuff several times. He tends more toward the natural behavior: about becoming who you are, become succesful overall, and being a man. And I like that. (I dislike purely technical pua's like Mystery, but I am made to understand he is awesome if you just want to get laid and want to invest loads of time and energy to achieve just that and nothing more.) He is analytical, insightfull and can verbalize and improvise very well. Basically he is the better version of Tyler. His work is also great to start getting familiar with the pua community and its thinking.

Contra:
He does tend to be cerebral and theoretical. Overthink things. Trying to be to overarching and wanting to touch on to many subjects at a time. He also tends to repeat himself too much in his different programs. So much that I don't think the programs differ enough in content from eachother to be made seperately. He could do with much lesser products. He also uses to many sidekicks which can be confusing and annoying. Also some times he is to much of a quack (his association with dr. Paul comes to mind) but that's part of being a pua I guess.

Conclusion:
To me he is definitely one of the better teachers there is. He is as more of a businessman then a pua though. But I really feel he is honest and strives to do good. The money comes secondary to integrity. if you want to have a feel for his style, start with his "77 laws of succes with women". They are awesome.

Some specific stuff that stands out and come to mind: being in your own reality where she can be the guest; body language; Rick; evolutionary biology/psychology; learning; do things first, then understand.


i have got most of his audio/cd sets off torrents online because i can listen to them whenever on my ipod. ive gone through the 77 laws and im going through them again but taking notes, because it helps to remember. It may seem over the top but ive noticed that since i started writing down notes of the info, i process it better, i believe in it and i remember it and take it to heart.
what i am interested in is body language but perhaps the Body Language Project is better than what he offers because ill assume that he'll go over some really basic body language stuff. whats your opinion on that?

he does tend to repeat things (which annoys me greatly but it also helps in the learning process) but this is because on his site he usually markets every program as an 'essential' and also as 'this alone will give you all the power youve ever wanted to attracting women.
 
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