David DeAngelo: good or bad?

[smoke city]

i think david deangelo's stuff is good if you put in the work to internalize it and make it your own. the techniques are NOT a "ready-to-use" package. i tried some of the "techniques" at first a year ago and it was total crash+burn. in a way, you have to learn it really well, and then forget it so it's natural and not forced. i've been working on that, and seen *LOTS of improvement over the last 6-8 months.
my personality isn't really one that suits "****y and funny" as dave defines it (though i do have a sense of humor, and love to tease) -- but i got a lot out of adapting the ideas to my game..
his stuff on the "inner game" is quite good== it's about getting in a specific *mindset, and having a certain *outlook on dating, that deangelo's stuff can help you achieve, and will help you be successful. if you approach it that way, i think the book/dvd's are a pretty damn good investment. [given the results i've seen]

 

[ikkenai]

Originally posted by No Bones
On another note, wouldn't it be great if DeAngelo had a proper website, not one that reads like a big marketing suck?

I mean, when I first went to his website it really turned me off going any further.

Guess it really works on some people I suppose...

Yeah, I totally agree, his website looks like a total marketing gimmick, like a free ipod website or something. His website looks like a colossal sham, he needs to take notes from Mystery and realsocialdynamics.com. Now those are some websites that don't set off INTERNET FRAUD alarms in my head.

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

If you want to read more of David DeAngelo's articles on a regular basis, go to askmen.com , he writes in their section on dating/sex

 

[PeoplesChamp]

David D is by far the leading authority on getting women and just to reiterate what has already been said in this thread serveral times his "teachings" are way more comprehensive then just ****y funny.

it's also good to note that it's way more important to understand how to be funny with women than to be ****y with them. It doesn't really take a lot of know how to be ****y. Anyone can be ****y. To be funny with women you have to take risks and become good at reading people in general. I've went the route of trying all of David's canned c + f and the plain and simple fact was I didn't "get it" at the time. All I did was come off as a self-absorbed jerk. Find your brand of humor and throw the ****y routine in there...sparingly.

Also I've read and very much tend to agree that HB < 8 really can't handle C + F. Most have far too many self-esteem issues to properly cope with a cofident man SEEMINGLy pick them apart.

 

[Dr Box]

I am a big fan of david d's stuff bought a few products and agree with a lot of things he says, I even use a lot of things, it showed me things in a blindingly obviously light (I always wondered why I could attract chicks I didn't want), having said that his stuff is not gospel nor is the stuff said in the dj bible you have to take what works for you and ignore the stuff that doesnt work for you. I hope this helps.

 

[a difficult guy]

David D is actually the man who brought the greatest synthesis on dating women.
He didn't invent much by himself but collected a lots of different perspectives, thoughts, based on psychology, beahviour, sociology, evolution, body language, business, communication books and put them together. His method is the most complete and accurate method out there.

If you've been deeply involved with his material (dvds), you know that C&F is just ten percent of the equation. He keeps repeating that through his excellent mastery program. C&F is one of the tools to get you laid but not the everything of the game. He also says that too much of everything is bad. Don't overuse techniques.

He's also the most 'intellectual' of the gamers I would say. Everything he brings up is based on something totally rational and sometimes scientific. This is what lacks in most of the methods, a "why should it be so" deeply explained. See, I haven't noticed anyone else who encourage to work that deeply on the inner game. Like, on the mastery program, there's up to five hours of inner game teachings, every Minute of it being radically important and enlightening for the external game.

Also, he's one of the less manipulative. unlike Ross Jeffries or Mystery (what a ****, I give him credits for his m3 plan tho), and probably the most honest of them all, alongside the guys of RSD.

I strongly reccomend David D for a start. And I reccomend also avoiding his newsletter sice they come out very abstract (he has to sell programs obviously) and could lead ppl who haven't done his programs to do the wrong things.

 

[Holland]

If you're searching for a line in his products you can find that in the E-book Attraction Isn't a Choice. It's pretty similar to the advanced series, but it doesn't go into things as deep in the advanced series.
He never says C+F is everything.
Like in his program he says:
"Sometimes someone emails me the following: "Yeah, I did the C and F thing on this girl and blablablabla"
Talk about Jackass"

For instance, you have to have the right body language and other things too
Imagine a stiff huncher (who's wearing something unstylish) saying something ****y and funny to an attractive women. Would it work? Little chance.

 

[Royal Elite]

Get the morale of what he is saying

Most people don't get what DD is saying and thereby misuse his information.

In a nutshell DD basically says:

LIVE IN THE MOMENT, AND HAVE FUN BECAUSE LIFE IS TOO SHORT!

****ey and funny is nothing more the a "copy writed" way and saying be "fun" around "PEOPLE" or "charming"!

Dont take things too serious when they are not suppose to be serious.

You only live once so LIVE once and have a good time!

Too many guys in woman company have a "demanoir" about them as if they were planning WWIII while in a woman's presence.
He is just saying lighten up, makes jokes, tease and have a good time (you know the same thing 99% of you guys do when you are with your friends and associates).

 

[anamchara]

david d

I like David D., though he doesn't offer that much PRACTICAL pickup advice (he gets guest speakers for that).

If you ever want to really work on your inner game, I'd highly suggest his Mastery series of CDs.... that series really helped guide some of my personal development.

 

[a difficult guy]

Re: david d

Originally posted by anamchara
I'd highly suggest his Mastery series of CDs.... that series really helped guide some of my personal development.

totally.

edit: and by the way, david D made his way to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_deangelo

Mark Mathews in fact.

 

[Alphathree]

I started with David D's products.

If you're just reading the newsletters, you aren't "getting" what he has to say. C&F isn't his message. The man is a genius, or at the very least, is standing on the shoulders of many geniuses.

I don't explicitly use C&F anymore. David D would say that C&F "says all the right things" -- namely, that you're confident and funny.

If you can learn to subcommunicate those things in other ways (and still have a sense of humor), there's absolutely no reason you need "C&F" lines.

That said, David D's products, especially the Advanced Series and Mastery Program, will change your life. They have very little "how to do C&F" in them and a whole whack of evolutionary biology, psychology, and just plain interesting and useful sh!t about women, power, and authority that you won't find anywhere else.

 

[wind20mph]

Originally posted by Parsifal
Hey guys,

I've been reading and listening to a lot of David DeAngelo advice lately. Although lot of people claim it a success, others (including people on this board) think it turns you into some arrogant bastard, and not into a DJ. I'm confused. Is DeAngelo's approach the only way to do it? Is it the best way to do it? Or maybe it's one of the worst approaches ever? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this one...

Basically, David D's Materials aren't that effective when it comes to doing the seduction naturally. I'll elaborate it to you. One factor is that every bit of his post is totally about marketing. Secondly, His idea of meeting, attracting, and ****y and funny isn't what he claims his, but rather mostly from his clients who has success stories.

Now to Make that point to you... If you can read the lines after reading all the areas of his messages... Look for this sentence. "Know what works for you and keep doing that". So If you will get all David D's materials, you will end up in the same thing. "What works for you".

If you want to know what works for you, then begin practicing the bootcamp now and you will find out. Without any eBook your skill will tremendously advance. And if you encountered some seduction or dating problem (The Common Dating Problem most DJ's encountered), then most of the people here encountered that already and they can give their opinion for your success.

 

[Parsifal]

Thanks guys, I gained a clearer understanding of this topic.

 

[Keeper]

I would say this site has tough me the tricks...

But David set my attutude. I listened to his stuff, did the 90 day challanges, followed his guidance to the letter... and I've seen results bigger than the tricks.

Most people think that just by reading the book and listening to the tapes they'll know what to do. Not so. David knows very well how to convey his message across - and if you listen closely you'll accuire that knowledge. But it's not as easy as SoSuave. Here you get most things handed to you on a plate.

"What should I say?" "Should I call" "Gimme C&F lines" "Gimme advice"

And these kinds of problems get answered here. Yet they don't fix the real problem - you. David D changes you in such a way so that you're capable of resolving your own problems. And he just does that better than SoSuave, methinks.

Eish, now I'm 2cents short.

 

[milkman]

dd will fvck you up for sure. You will be tricked into thinking you would need to study xy of thousand products only to be able to do something as easy as getting to know women.

Stop wasting time and money.

Don´t become one of these poor guys who believe they have not enough value to speak and sleep with girls without the "help" of a self-proclamed guru.

Now, go out and get some chicks.

 

[Keeper]

Originally posted by milkman
dd will fvck you up for sure. You will be tricked into thinking you would need to study xy of thousand products only to be able to do something as easy as getting to know women.

Stop wasting time and money.

Don´t become one of these poor guys who believe they have not enough value to speak and sleep with girls without the "help" of a self-proclamed guru.

Now, go out and get some chicks.

David D is about much more than learning to pick up chicks. :-/ I must say, before I tried David D I was a wreck. After I tried it I had consistent success with women, even beyond the pickups. :-/ It just substitued for all the years of experience I lost. Ah well... this has been debated before. Somone close this thread, please.

 

[milkman]

Originally posted by Keeper
David D is about much more than learning to pick up chicks. :-/ I must say, before I tried David D I was a wreck. After I tried it I had consistent success with women, even beyond the pickups. :-/ It just substitued for all the years of experience I lost. Ah well... this has been debated before. Somone close this thread, please.

Okay, I see, you was a wreck and what he has done was giving you permission to finally get active and go for some chicks.

Okay, simple as that, herewith I will give you - and anyone else who need this - permission to go for the chicks you like.

And this is for free! So, again: Stop wasting time and money and instead live your life.

 

[Keeper]

If you understand human behaviour, you'll know not everyone will stand up and go if you just tell them to. Just the way we are made. Your talk would have not moved me an inch off my chair.

Dadid D, however, did. :-/ Yes, I admit. I was a wreck... one of the biggest perhaps. But at least David got me out there. Please consider studying human motivation, because "Now go and get some chicks" just isn't gonna work for anyone.


You can't help the wrecks... David can, he's good enough to. The authors of the bible can... but hardly anyone consults that section anyhow. :-/ And even if you're not a wreck, you can benefit majorly from his other series. :-D Nothing wrong with having just that extra bit of knowledge.

 

[milkman]

Originally posted by Keeper
If you understand human behaviour, you'll know not everyone will stand up and go if you just tell them to. Just the way we are made. Your talk would have not moved me an inch off my chair.

Dadid D, however, did. :-/ Yes, I admit. I was a wreck... one of the biggest perhaps. But at least David got me out there. Please consider studying human motivation, because "Now go and get some chicks" just isn't gonna work for anyone.


You can't help the wrecks... David can, he's good enough to. The authors of the bible can... but hardly anyone consults that section anyhow. :-/

Mankind is programmed to stay alive. That´s why connecting with a woman after all is nothing you have to "learn". It´s inside of all of us.

What you have to do is to eliminate the blockers that hold you back and stop you from what you would do naturally: and this is to go for the woman you like.

But don´t fall into the trap of trying to eliminate these blockers by buying and studying tons of products.

It´s all into you and free yourself from getting addicted to some gurus that teach you stuff like "never give a woman a direct answer unless the answer is no" (dd).

 

[everywomanshero]

Too much theory

Go to a bar. Become the center of attention. Find a way to join a group of ladies by accessing the weakest link. Find an excuse to talk to drunk hotties. It's not rocket science. You don't need to hypnotise anyone. Keep doing that and you'll have more ***** than you coudl ever hit. I'm proving that to myself more and more all the time. Also, wingmen tend to get in the way and vacate sets too early. I am from this point forward a solo act as 10x more women approach me that way.

DDs stuff is right: Just quit being a wuss, stop making excuses, and just do-it. You will not need elobrate routines.