David DeAngelo: good or bad?

[Parsifal]

Hey guys,

I've been reading and listening to a lot of David DeAngelo advice lately. Although lot of people claim it a success, others (including people on this board) think it turns you into some arrogant bastard, and not into a DJ. I'm confused. Is DeAngelo's approach the only way to do it? Is it the best way to do it? Or maybe it's one of the worst approaches ever? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this one...

 

[titoman]

i read his ebook and watched all of his dvds about a year ago... but it didn't seem to help me at all, but i found his thinking very interesting, and might give you a understanding in how girls get attracted and stuff...

 

[Parsifal]

Originally posted by titoman
i read his ebook and watched all of his dvds about a year ago... but it didn't seem to help me at all, but i found his thinking very interesting, and might give you a understanding in how girls get attracted and stuff...

So now you stick to a different approach?

 

[Spirit Fingers]

It's not bad, just that he markets one small part of the game (****y funny) as the magic pill which will get you laid. Also, the mindset behind his ****y funny is wrong. If you'd like a more thorough explanation, shoot me an email and I'll write up a full article on my blog.

-Dan

 

[morisson]

****y and funny works, but you must be very careful because sometimes over cokiness is read as insecurity and over funniness can make you sound like a freak.

 

[titoman]

Originally posted by Parsifal
So now you stick to a different approach?

well rite now i'm doin bootcamp cuz readying alone had never helped lol...

 

[arlanda]

C&F is a basis of all my flirting. What do you guys do if you don't use C&F?

 

[john_x]

Re: David D

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
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Having a sense of humor and making people laugh is a gift...almost a talent. It's something that only few people can pull off.

load of ****,, any one *can* do it, just many dont

 

[Parsifal]

I think DeAngelo is right about certain things he mentions, like the whole 'you have to give yourself permission to do things, because no one will ever give it to you' attitude, the 'don't come off needy' part, etc. They all sound pretty obvious. Indeed, the c&f part is more difficult to understand. I find it hard not to resort to some kind of cynical behaviour when I'm trying the ****y thing. I think I get the point, but where's the limit? And do I have to respond apathic when a girl starts to talk to me or what? Is showing enthusiasm out of the question? I don't get these things.

 

[ikkenai]

Obviously some of you aren't that familiar with his material, he never purports C+F to be the be-all-end-all of womanizing tactics. Dave D is just a mouthpiece of the community, what he says is the accumulated wisdom of dozens of successful men, and credits them for so many of the ideas in his material.

Dave D himself is kind of nerdly and not that interesting, but the people he associates himself with are fantastic. Ross Jeffries, on the other hand...

 

[Holland]

The guy isn't good or bad. He is Fantastic.

I've been reading and listening to a lot of David DeAngelo advice lately. Although lot of people claim it a success, others (including people on this board) think it turns you into some arrogant bastard, and not into a DJ.

If it turns you into an arrogant bastard you're obviously doing something wrong and you don't get it.
That's not his fault.
Believe me, when I first started reading his stuff like newsletters, I was thinking: "mmm maybe he's got a point, but maybe he's just some dude ripping people making easy money blablabla".
Well after reading both E-books and watching 2 programs I say he is definetly not ripping people off. (Even though I was never able to pay for it)
His advice is really good, not only it made me more comfortable around women, it also made me enjoy the rest of my life more. If there is one person I'd like to thank it's him.


Edit:
Note:
If you are a pessimistic negative closedminded person his material isn't going to work for you.
Buy guess what, nothing will work for you if you're a pessimistic negative closedminded person. Well, unless you're Brad Pitt (stole that from him lol)

 

[DJ4Real]

David D is good. You just have to know how to apply his techniques.

 

[Jukeboxhero]

I'm really glad you asked this, Parsifal. I've been wanting to know the same thing as well!

So far, I have only read a lot of his newsletter's and I can say I'm still undecided as well. Some of the "examples" that his subscribers send to him of lines they use sound like they would be more insulting than anything else. A lot of times the things people say make them sound like Arrogant jerks.
But then I've heard from people that have actually experienced it and they say it's really not that bad!

I also want to know from people who don't approve of it...how do you suggest approaching women?

I went "Sarging" at a bar last night and talked to about 6 or so girls. The first 2 were approached by my friend and he pretty much broke the ice for me...they seemed the most interested in the conversation overall. The others though, seemed minimally interested as if they were only tolerating me for a few minutes as to not be blatantly rude. Of course I tried to start conversations about innocent everyday things like outfits they were wearing and if they came there a lot.
So in one sense I think C&F can be effective because you'll say things that are unique and a lot different than what EVERY other guy is talking to her about--which is probably things she is bored of.

However, the things that make me not want to get is I feel I'm going to accidently offend someone as well as turn in to some kind of ****y A$$hole. Also, in his newletter's he seems to think that the ONLY effective way to attract woman. IF you get women without using C&F your just lucky or really good-looking/rich. Not to mention all the guys that write him describing all the other drooling idiots who talk to her about normal stuff and get ignored---I really can't bring myself to believe C&F is the only effective way for an average guy to attract women. I'm still interested in hearing more about and perhaps doing the trial period thing.

So for anyone who has used it...do you ever accidently offend people? Do you almost always get a better reaction than you would before? Can you become more "funny" or "Interesting" to woman after reading the book?

 

[Marlimus]

I'll stand by David Deangelo. As for those who criticize his teachings, its like riding a bike- in the process of learning, you will graze your knees a couple of times. I

Ive been called an *******, and an arrogant jerk. I've genuinely insulted girls by going too far, being a challenge at times when I should have given a break.

Its all good, just be willing to experiment and take risks. Some experiments WILL blow up in your face, but that's a part of it in the beginning.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by Spirit Fingers
It's not bad, just that he markets one small part of the game (****y funny) as the magic pill which will get you laid. Also, the mindset behind his ****y funny is wrong. If you'd like a more thorough explanation, shoot me an email and I'll write up a full article on my blog.

-Dan

D'Angelo's stuff is far, far more than just C&F

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

Yeah, I found David DeAngelo's material useful in not just the area of women but also in general. His techniques for emotional reframing, seeing things in bigger contexts, clearing fear and anxiety, etc. are useful EVERYWHERE.

I've actually noticed that a lot of people, including girls, are fascinated and impressed when I talk about his stuff (without saying its for pick ups) in various contexts. Like I was on the phone with a girl not long ago and we have a test coming up in a class and I shared with her a technique for clearing fear by imagining the worst case scenario and then realizing its not so bad, and she was very much into it and thought it was brilliant.

A good half of his mastery series DVD/CD program, meaning 5 hours is all about this kind of philosophical, historical, practical psychology stuff. He even spends time on the Myers-Briggs personality system!

As far as his Advanced Dating Techniques program goes, a good half of it also is about psychology and history, though its more specific to women where as its more abstract and thus applicable to anything in the Mastery Series.

I think David DeAngelo provides an awesome framework through which you can understand the world around you, because when you understand whats going on in the world and in your own head, you feel more confident. You don't have that fear that you have when you don't know what is going on. And I think that ultimatley improves not just your game, but also every aspect of your life.

 

[undesputable]

why is there one of these threads every 2 weeks or so?

if you ever do a search, do it on Deangelo

 

[No Bones]

When I started learning all this stuff, David DeAngelo's products reaally helped me understand what the fúck I was doing with women more than anything else did. There's a wealth of fascinating stuff he delves into, stuff that really shocked the shít out of me. It set the foundation. Think he's the best for beginners.

His products though (DVDs, namely) are a real mess. He has about seven programs that goes by one name and comes out with all this other stuff, hardly a step-by-step procedure. How many more of these programs is it going to take to suceed with women? (yeah, I know it's all about the $$$).

Besides that he seems like a decent bloke.

 

[SuperEMan]

Daivd D is an awesome guy

I've been following his newsletters and checked out a few of his programs and the DVD programs are really so good that I cannot even bear the thought of returning it... I already know and do some of his stuff on an unconscious level, but it helps knowing exactly what works without wasting years of trial and error.

I've never met the guy but my dream isn't to meet the president, but hang out with him and his friends.

I have his Body Language and Deep Inner Game products.

The Deep Inner Game product isn't really what I expected, but I kept it anyway because it helps me understand my emotions as well as how to control them, and this is useful in all aspects of life.

Sure, he makes a few $$, but he's doing it out of helping guys become better men. Like David D and many others have said, I wish my dad taught me this so I wouldn't have to do it the harder way, and I appreciate David D's effort to helping guys.

 

[No Bones]

On another note, wouldn't it be great if DeAngelo had a proper website, not one that reads like a big marketing suck?

I mean, when I first went to his website it really turned me off going any further.

Guess it really works on some people I suppose...