David DeAngelo doesn't get it.

[War Against Betaism]

I love it. 18 year olds with acne and no job are dissing a guy who is a multi-millionaire and has had sex with more girls than you've talked to.

Some people will stop at nothing to try and tear down someone who has left the matrix and is living large. Pathetic.

Sorry, you may get a kick at playing games with women and treating them like sh1t, we all have our preferences though and I just happened to start off my seduction methods with the wrong guy. I've read most of your posts and tend to disagree with almost everything you say, but that's just us and I'll respect whatever methods you use, though there was no need to randomly accuse me of having acne, which I don't have anyways, definitely uncalled for. Almost pathetic I have to tell you this when you're twice my age.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I love it. 18 year olds with acne and no job are dissing a guy who is a multi-millionaire and has had sex with more girls than they've talked to.

Should everyone revere him because he has all this money. Drug dealers have lots of money as well. Con artists have alot of money as well.


It doesn't matter how much money he has. He is selling a piece of junk, in order to make some money off desperate men. And his name isn't even David DeAngelo. Its Eben Pagan, he is a famous Internet Marketeer.

He's the kind of guy that can sell ice to an eskimo.

 

[DJVladdy]

he took a common-sense concept, acted as if he made a great discovery, wrote about it and made billions...

****y-funny.. it was pretty apparent by middle school that when you tease girls - they'll act like they hate it but in fact they like it: so how come he tells this sh!t to 40 y.o. men, while acting like he just invented a time machine? It still amazes me.

 

[Alle_Gory]

so how come he tells this sh!t to 40 y.o. men, while acting like he just invented a time machine? It still amazes me.

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Do you see where I'm going with this?

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[DJVladdy]

point taken

 

[everywomanshero]

At least we know Deangelo knows how to read. Unfortunately, he seems to know little about checking source credibility. This sometimes results in books being recommended by dubious authors. Actually, he seems like a pretty normal dude. I doubt his prowess as a MPUA, but I don't doubt that he's dated some pretty hot chicks that are not total trailor-trash. His ideology, however inperfect, is often a step in a better direction than the place many men coming to his seminars are at originally. Do I think his products are worth buying? No. Do I think his advanced series is worth watching for free a newbie? Yes.

The guy is basically a self-help cash artist. He's not a therapist, and people with serious issues shouldn't be consulting his material for deep seated problems. However, for those who are so lost with women they don't even know what to start and are otherwise capable, healthy adults, I think there is some good in it,

 

[Darth]

I didn't really have that breakthrough until I read the Book of Pook, which made alot of stuff obvious that should already have been so.

Yep. The Book of Pook was the real eye-opener for me.

 

[Canadian Catnip]

I love it. 18 year olds with acne and no job are dissing a guy who is a multi-millionaire and has had sex with more girls than they've talked to.

Some people will stop at nothing to try and tear down someone who has left the matrix and is living large. Pathetic.

I was not trying to tear him down. My post was to say that when I first started to learn about seduction I thought he was a great teacher. I've come to learn over several years and some growth that when I re-watched some of his videos I saw some behaviors that made me realize that he is not the expert I gave him credit for.

Do you know why he tells you to hit on waitresses? Because it is practice. They are paid to be nice to you so take the opportunity to learn how to talk to women; how to bust on them; how to interact with hotties, etc.

Practice on waitresses. This seems like good advice, but it's not

Oh, and I love this one '4) Books, books, books. There ain't real learning in any books." Obviously, from your grammer, you believe that. Books are the foundation of learning; a collection of knowledge to give you the tools needed to do the job. Your open rejection of knowledge speaks of your immaturity and resultant ignorance.

Books, books, books. I wrote that to mean he had a table full of books there, I did not mean that I was against books in general.

Aristotle spoke of the difference between knowledge and understanding. When a person can regurgitated information he has knowledge, when the person changes his behavior based on what he has learned, he has understanding.

A simple example of this is a man that steals and knows that stealing is wrong but does it anyway, has knowledge that stealing is wrong. A man that doesn't steal because he knows stealing is wrong has understanding.

Please, tell us a couple things from his books that are out and out, known wrong methods. Most everything he says is based on general accpeted knowledge within the seduction community. But you said that now you've become a man, granted, a man who can't spell, has bad grammer, and thinks books are stupid, you've noticed that he is all wrong. Again, please provide some examples. It should be fairly easy, eh?

His message is simple, it may be correct but it's simple. Life and relationships are a little more difficult than anything he covers in any of his videos.

Your ad hominem attack on me is a waste of time.

BTW, congratulations to Mr. DeAngelo for being rich.

 

[War Against Betaism]

I'd like for you to point where I specifically said I've become a man, seems like talk out of your ass to me, not a manly thing to do. I'm in the middle of my journey into transformation and am far from where I want to be, but I'm pleased with my progress, maybe that's what you meant? You're reading into what I said wrongly, although that's partially my fault I never made my stance very clear, but you like to make quick assumptions so it wasn't hard for you to jump the gun, it's okay though. I'm saying he's a fake because he makes his products seem like nirvana that you'll get instant quick results. Of course it didn't happen. If it makes you feel better, his products are a fake, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to put the blame on the author, but I never knew someone would get butthurt over it lmao.

And I have no idea what sh1t you've made up in that second half of your post. Examples, what is this? Wait, you've edited your post too, how convenient. Look, if anyone here doesn't get it, it's you. I'm not saying his methods are wrong and they don't work, I'm just saying they aren't the gold that David D sells it as. Like you said it's common and accepted knowledge here, but sugar coated to appeal to anyone that is desperate. Of course I was at that stage when I first found his ebook, I ate it all up and adapted another person's methods, which is Carlos Xumos' Guide to being an Alpha Male which is 10x better in my opinion. I can respect you and David D's methods (being asshats), though not David D's marketing tricks. It's business, it's also very cheap.

Oh wait, I can't respect his idea of humour though, just read one of his newsletters, don't tell me you get women with this kind of humor? Well, another thing I can't respect is your quick assumptions. Not at only how you thought I had acne (lmao), or how you thought you laid the iron fist on me and told me you'd let me off (haha), how do you know he's living out of the matrix? Everyone thought Mystery had a great life yearly around, and then they read into The Game where he was portrayed as a miserable, emo man as a sheep dressed in wolf's clothing.

 

[GaryUranga]

I love it. 18 year olds with acne and no job are dissing a guy who is a multi-millionaire and has had sex with more girls than they've talked to.

Some people will stop at nothing to try and tear down someone who has left the matrix and is living large. Pathetic.

Do you know why he tells you to hit on waitresses? Because it is practice. They are paid to be nice to you so take the opportunity to learn how to talk to women; how to bust on them; how to interact with hotties, etc. Oh, and I love this one '4) Books, books, books. There ain't real learning in any books." Obviously, from your grammer, you believe that. Books are the foundation of learning; a collection of knowledge to give you the tools needed to do the job. Your open rejection of knowledge speaks of your immaturity and resultant ignorance.

Please, tell us a couple things from his books that are out and out, known wrong methods. Most everything he says is based on general accpeted knowledge within the seduction community. But you said that now you've become a man, granted, a man who can't spell, has bad grammer, and thinks books are stupid, you've noticed that he is all wrong. Again, please provide some examples. It should be fairly easy, eh?

agreed 100%

when I first started it was David D, now Im an RSD guy, comparing both, RSD has much more depth than david D, BUT, they speak abotut he same, so what is he took somethign simple and acted as if it was the ultimate discovery, what hes sayign still makes perfect sense.

the guy gets the chicks, how is that not getting it

 

[Canadian Catnip]

Eben pagan AKA David DeAngelo in my opinion is a marketing genius, thats all.

Some of marketing is about the packaging. Lets face it, would you take dating advice from some guy named Eben?

After studying NLP and reading about persuasion techniques the fact that he chose the name David DeAngelo to market dating advice makes a lot of sense.

His name is designed to subconsciously get you thinking about Michelangelo's David, and all the associations you have with it. Pretty good marketing if I do say so myself.

 

[GaryUranga]

that makes perfect sense

 

[jafyk]

Why the attack people I'm shocked,lol

At least we know Deangelo knows how to read. Unfortunately, he seems to know little about checking source credibility. This sometimes results in books being recommended by dubious authors. Actually, he seems like a pretty normal dude. I doubt his prowess as a MPUA, but I don't doubt that he's dated some pretty hot chicks that are not total trailor-trash. His ideology, however inperfect, is often a step in a better direction than the place many men coming to his seminars are at originally. Do I think his products are worth buying? No. Do I think his advanced series is worth watching for free a newbie? Yes.

The guy is basically a self-help cash artist. He's not a therapist, and people with serious issues shouldn't be consulting his material for deep seated problems. However, for those who are so lost with women they don't even know what to start and are otherwise capable, healthy adults, I think there is some good in it,

I never thought I'd see the day when many people would actually turn on the so called David De Angelo. I'm also intrigued to find out that's not his real name. So, people why the attack? I see his articles as ways of helping men to get women at the dating level but on the deeper level of men and women relationship I'd recommend Herb Goldberg's "What Men Still Don't Know: about women, relationship and love". I'm really surprised by all this attack on Dave. I thought of him as a hero, lol. So, people I'd still like to know, did he invent sosuave.com?

 

[jafyk]

I'd like for you to point where I specifically said I've become a man, seems like talk out of your ass to me, not a manly thing to do. I'm in the middle of my journey into transformation and am far from where I want to be, but I'm pleased with my progress, maybe that's what you meant? You're reading into what I said wrongly, although that's partially my fault I never made my stance very clear, but you like to make quick assumptions so it wasn't hard for you to jump the gun, it's okay though. I'm saying he's a fake because he makes his products seem like nirvana that you'll get instant quick results. Of course it didn't happen. If it makes you feel better, his products are a fake, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to put the blame on the author, but I never knew someone would get butthurt over it lmao.

And I have no idea what sh1t you've made up in that second half of your post. Examples, what is this? Wait, you've edited your post too, how convenient. Look, if anyone here doesn't get it, it's you. I'm not saying his methods are wrong and they don't work, I'm just saying they aren't the gold that David D sells it as. Like you said it's common and accepted knowledge here, but sugar coated to appeal to anyone that is desperate. Of course I was at that stage when I first found his ebook, I ate it all up and adapted another person's methods, which is Carlos Xumos' Guide to being an Alpha Male which is 10x better in my opinion. I can respect you and David D's methods (being asshats), though not David D's marketing tricks. It's business, it's also very cheap.

Oh wait, I can't respect his idea of humour though, just read one of his newsletters, don't tell me you get women with this kind of humor? Well, another thing I can't respect is your quick assumptions. Not at only how you thought I had acne (lmao), or how you thought you laid the iron fist on me and told me you'd let me off (haha), how do you know he's living out of the matrix? Everyone thought Mystery had a great life yearly around, and then they read into The Game where he was portrayed as a miserable, emo man as a sheep dressed in wolf's clothing.

Ok people here's a quote from Wikipedia on David "Some critics regard "****y & Funny", DeAngelo's best known technique, as overrated. The critics generally believe that the technique may backfire and be interpreted as arrogant, insecure, and phony, and may actually harm a man's chances with women.

DeAngelo points out that "arrogance by itself is a turn-off to women", while "arrogant humor that MAKES THEM LAUGH is a HUGE turn on".[15] There should be an equal balance between ****y & Funny. It should also be noted that DeAngelo has acknowledged that his work is a collection of suggestions and ideas and not to be taken as dogma. As evidenced in his Sexual Communication series, DeAngelo encourages students to evaluate his material "with your own minds"."




Interesting thing to know about Mystery hmmmm...so what's his real name? And how did people figure he was an emo man from his book "The game"? I guess this post has shed light on a lot of things for me.
To Catnip? You said you weren't trying to attack David. I'm not saying you were but you should work on your delivery because it came across as if you were attacking him. I know a lot of the things in his article have proved useful to me especially on the dating scene but there's more to women outside of dating.

 

[War Against Betaism]

Ok people here's a quote from Wikipedia on David "Some critics regard "****y & Funny", DeAngelo's best known technique, as overrated. The critics generally believe that the technique may backfire and be interpreted as arrogant, insecure, and phony, and may actually harm a man's chances with women.

DeAngelo points out that "arrogance by itself is a turn-off to women", while "arrogant humor that MAKES THEM LAUGH is a HUGE turn on".[15] There should be an equal balance between ****y & Funny. It should also be noted that DeAngelo has acknowledged that his work is a collection of suggestions and ideas and not to be taken as dogma. As evidenced in his Sexual Communication series, DeAngelo encourages students to evaluate his material "with your own minds"."

It's mainly his advertisements, he makes everything he sells as if I had this product, my life would be fulfilled. Then when you go on to read or watch whatever it is you downloaded or bought, most of it is just stories or common knowledge that he's already explained in his original ebook or just said in a different perspective. However, I do suggest the "On Being A Man" and "Deep Inner Game" programs. Like I said before, very very informative and helpful, just very very boring.

He's a great business man yes, but people expect me to praise him for ripping people off *ahem* Soulja Boy's a millionaire, doesn't make him a good rapper.

Interesting thing to know about Mystery hmmmm...so what's his real name? And how did people figure he was an emo man from his book "The game"? I guess this post has shed light on a lot of things for me.

You really should just read the book, it's really informative and really captures the life story of the seduction community. A lot of the big name seduction gurus, such as Ross Jeffries, David DeAngelo, David X, Mystery, and Tyler Durden are mentioned. Hell, even Tom Cruise and Britney Spears, and Courtney Love plays a vital role. Much of the book concerning Mystery is about him crying or taking anti depressant pills. I can't count how many times he tried committing suicide.

 

[jafyk]

I can understand your disappointment. I've never had to buy anything I read from him. No,I haven't read everything he's written either. Reading is just half the battle, practice is more important. I guess you can say reading points you in the right direction. Too much reading makes me feel over loaded. Maybe someday I will read "The game"

 

[Canadian Catnip]

To Catnip? You said you weren't trying to attack David. I'm not saying you were but you should work on your delivery because it came across as if you were attacking him.

The post was not meant as an attack at him. If it came across as that then I need to work on my writing skills. I'm not a professional writer and I've noticed that it's hard to convey certain things in written form. A simple statement written out can come across to another as a flaming attack.

My post was a reflection of what I had learned over several years of social interaction. Looking back at what I though would work and realizing what works for me now is completely different. Being yourself, actually works when interacting with others.

So what if I don't agree with another person. My original post did not contain any attack on Eben. I simply stated what I thought about his products.

 

[GaryUranga]

I respect mystery but personally Ive never been one of those textbook guys, I dont wnat a "mehtod" to get laid, tho Im pretty sure that guy doesnt really need a method anymore and hes great at it, to me David D was always more about "natural game" I went from David D to RSD and then I decided to listen to more David D and I relaized how he lacked the depth in the topic, yet that doesnt make his stuff bad.

 

[Sandow]

David D did not create this site. I don't know where you guys got that but it's not true, I believe Alen Thompson created SoSuave.

The reason why people attack David D is because he comes off being a salesman rather than a Guru or PUA. His ads, newsletters, books, dvd's are everywhere now. And they are very expensive. He's smart tho. His target audience are major AFC's. Of course as a salesman your going make a lot of dough manipulating AFC's. Most likely they'll never the difference between what is right and wrong, so they'll keep dropping the cash for this guy.

I'm not saying he's totally wrong. I believe he has some good points. His best piece of work was the first DYD. Again a little extreme on the ****y funny. Its very arrogant and ****y, so this wouldn't be for anyone who is decent with girls. Again it's for AFC's, people that really need a wake up call and some transformation.

As I do with all these books, I take the advice with a grain of salt. Nothing trumps experience. One last thing, David D also has the same book series on marketing and business. Ironic??

 

[jafyk]

I respect mystery but personally Ive never been one of those textbook guys, I dont wnat a "mehtod" to get laid, tho Im pretty sure that guy doesnt really need a method anymore and hes great at it, to me David D was always more about "natural game" I went from David D to RSD and then I decided to listen to more David D and I relaized how he lacked the depth in the topic, yet that doesnt make his stuff bad.

What does RSD stand for?