Dating Down / Lowering Standards

[amazingswayze]

What do you guys think of it?

I just started dating, at age 17. I have two plates right now, both 6's. I had one HB 7.5 but that only lasted one date.

I'm only dating 6's because I need experience at this point, and this is a good way to get it. I finally got past kissing this week, and it feels natural. I used to worry so much about kissing. I fingered, ate out, and got a BJ. My confidence is up. I believe I can escalate with any girl I choose to now with this experience under my belt.

I want to date the hotter girls. Pretty soon, I want my bare minimum standards to be 7 and up. How do I get the hotter girls? I think I have work to do on my appearance. My inner game is good, but I need to lose weight. That's the single best thing I can do for my looks.

I started dating these girls from my nursing class. There aren't too many hotties in this class of 12 girls and 4 guys. I'm doing good for myself. When fall semester starts, I'll definitely date more. Either through cold approach on campus or social circle. :woo:

I never did any clubs, or anything of that nature in high school. Now I realize this is what I have to do in college.

How else would you guys get involved in college social circles?

I want to date up, not down. :yes:

 

[MAYALL]

Never lower your standards accepting anything less if you don't have to.

 

[guru1000]

Grab your balls young man and approach each and every hot girl in your classes. Tell them as follows:

"I am taking you out. Give me a call" and pass them your phone number.

The goal is not the girl; the goal is to take the world by the balls. And this is exactly how you do it by putting yourself out there and reaching for the stars. If you could master this rudimentary concept at such a young age, you will have the world by the balls when you get older.

 

[AlphaProvider]

Grab your balls young man and approach each and every hot girl in your classes. Tell them as follows:

"I am taking you out. Give me a call" and pass them your phone number.

The goal is not the girl; the goal is to take the world by the balls. And this is exactly how you do it by putting yourself out there and reaching for the stars. If you could master this rudimentary concept at such a young age, you will have the world by the balls when you get older.

This is an awesome approach with a high success rate. The comment and the guesture displays supreme confidence in self and gives them something to talk about.

 

[RecoveringNiceGuy]

Never lower your standards. I made that mistake when I was younger and I was never satisfied. I'd go out on dates with women I felt were the best I could get and we'd have fun and I'd enjoy time with her, but I always felt like something was missing.

After eventually learning to take risks and approach women even if I though they were out of my league, I went out on several dates with women I really wanted and was not just settling for. My idea of a great date was completely rocked. When you're with a woman you really want and haven't just settled for you aren't distracted by anything else in your life and you're completely present in the moment with her, especially when the evening is winding down and things get a lot more physical. Even if you have a date with another hottie the next night, that's not on your mind at all.

I did that this week. I was out at the mall and I saw a woman who was 4-5 years older than me, stacked, great hair and smile, gorgeous dress on. My first instinct was "she'd never go out with me", but I've learned to ignore that negative voice in my head and I started a conversation with her anyway. Things actually went so well that I knew I could walk away without asking for her number and she'd still chase me down to offer it.

You'd be surprised at how many women who you think are out of your league are actually really excited to meet you when you have the confidence to approach them and directly state your intent on taking them out on a date. Take some risks and after a date or two with a woman you really want and the thought of "what's the minimum quality woman I'll accept" will never cross your mind again.

 

[marmel75]

Never lower your standards. I made that mistake when I was younger and I was never satisfied. I'd go out on dates with women I felt were the best I could get and we'd have fun and I'd enjoy time with her, but I always felt like something was missing.

After eventually learning to take risks and approach women even if I though they were out of my league, I went out on several dates with women I really wanted and was not just settling for. My idea of a great date was completely rocked. When you're with a woman you really want and haven't just settled for you aren't distracted by anything else in your life and you're completely present in the moment with her, especially when the evening is winding down and things get a lot more physical. Even if you have a date with another hottie the next night, that's not on your mind at all.

I did that this week. I was out at the mall and I saw a woman who was 4-5 years older than me, stacked, great hair and smile, gorgeous dress on. My first instinct was "she'd never go out with me", but I've learned to ignore that negative voice in my head and I started a conversation with her anyway. Things actually went so well that I knew I could walk away without asking for her number and she'd still chase me down to offer it.

You'd be surprised at how many women who you think are out of your league are actually really excited to meet you when you have the confidence to approach them and directly state your intent on taking them out on a date. Take some risks and after a date or two with a woman you really want and the thought of "what's the minimum quality woman I'll accept" will never cross your mind again.

I agree with this wholeheartedly...

I was out at a bar once with a buddy several years ago, before I really began changing the way I perceived things regarding women and how things work, and I was leaning up against the bar and noticed this very pretty woman walk in, probably 5-6 years younger than me. It was crowded and she walked by and got stuck in front of me for a few seconds with her back turned to me, and I must have had some extra something that night because I loudly said "Hello...." and she turned around with the biggest smile and said "hi" back, then her and her friend walked away but I noticed out of the corner of my eye they looked back and giggled to each other.

Moving on about 30 minutes later, we end up hanging out in an area in between rooms between the bar and the pool tables, kinda like a chill out area, and I notice the women I said "Hello" to and her friend were standing about 10-15 feet from us. I keep talking with my buddy and then he pulls me aside and tells me "Dude, that chick you said Hello to is really checking you out." So I looked over and sure enough after a few seconds she looks over at me and smiles again. Me being a complete idiot, I just turn around and start talking to my friend again...so about 15 minutes later we were laughing it up pretty loudly and her friend comes over and says something like "Yeah that must be really funny, how obvious does my friend need to make it that she wants you to talk to her??" So I look over at her and she is kinda half turned around in embarrassment, and her friend goes back to her and looks at me and shrugs her shoulders and points to her....

Long story short, we ended up going over and talking with them, the chick I said Hello to was super nice and really cool, ended up getting her number, but for whatever reason we never ended up going out...probably cause I acted like a moron and didn't pick up any of the signals she was giving off, compounded by my text game was pretty crappy back then...

Either way, I always remembered what the simple act of saying "Hello" could lead to...

 

[zekko]

Grab your balls young man and approach each and every hot girl in your classes. Tell them as follows:

"I am taking you out. Give me a call" and pass them your phone number.

The goal is not the girl; the goal is to take the world by the balls. And this is exactly how you do it by putting yourself out there and reaching for the stars. If you could master this rudimentary concept at such a young age, you will have the world by the balls when you get older.

This is smart advice from Guru. If you settle for mediocrity now, you will have developed a habit that will become engrained and hard to change once you get older. You have a huge advantage in that you are in your formative years, and the changes you make now can have a huge impact on your future.

 

[WanderingMan]

To me, it all depends on what you're doing with these women. If you're just out "sport f*cking" and having ONS's & FB's, then, in all likely hood - you will typically be dating a lower quality women, and therefore be 'dating down'.

However, if you're going on dates, and spending time, getting to know these same women, then you will feel like you're missing out, or feel some type of emptiness.

You do have to start somewhere though. You can date down but know that you're keeping it casual-fun. That's okay, and like you said, it will be a primer and confidence builder for when you step up to the big leagues, and start to date higher quality women.

 

[WanderingMan]

Grab your balls young man and approach each and every hot girl in your classes.

I like a lot of what you have to say, but I can't fully get behind this statement. When it comes to being a DJ, there is this thing called calibration. There is something to say about being 'bold', but you have to be able understand that being bold has a time and a place.

 

[guru1000]

To consciously calibrate with women presumes that women are the goal.

Calibrate with business, yes. Calibrate with women, no.

A young man will learn more through rejection than through success. A young man will also learn more by being bold, rather than reticent. Victory in life goes to the bold most often not because they do everything right, but instead that they have done everything wrong, thus learning and internalizing "true calibration" and technique moving forward.

A hand that burns at the stove learns its lessons harshly, but quickly--and never forgets its lessons. Herein is the hallmark of a true man.

 

[WanderingMan]

To consciously calibrate with women presumes that women are the goal.

Calibrate with business, yes. Calibrate with women, no.

A young man will learn more through rejection than through success. A young man will also learn more by being bold, rather than reticent. Victory in life goes to the bold most often not because they do everything right, but instead that they have done everything wrong, thus learning and internalizing "true calibration" and technique moving forward.

A hand that burns at the stove learns its lessons harshly, but quickly--and never forgets its lessons. Herein is the hallmark of a true man.

Again, I agree with most of this. This reminds me of a quote from a current pop country song: "how can I be old and wise if I was never young and crazy". However, as in business (work), the classroom is a place that I would consider a sensitive area. It's not at the same level as your job, or the place that pays your salary, but it is in the same category, IMO. Not to mention now a days, with women on campus being highly rewarded with FRA's (false rape accusations), calibration, anywhere on campus, has never been more important.

I would never recommend not being a man, hiding who you are, or pandering to what women say they want in a man. But when it comes to women in these 'sensitive' areas, I go about things differently than if I were to meet a woman at a place like a coffee shop or another place where I would realize that it's now or never. My recommendation for dealing with women in these sensitive areas is to take your time, be patient. Don't be afraid to ask a woman out, but also don't be afraid to hold back if you don't feel the timing is right.

Fortune favors the bold, but patience is a virtue. In my (wise ) experience, part of being calibrated is being able to recognize how and when to apply each of these values accordingly.

 

[pyros]

the thing is that, until you've dated many women you dont really know where you stand.

I read somewhere this: "show me the last three girls you had sex with, and I'll tell you where your sexual market value is".

So just do the average of the last three girls you had sex with (I think you just had sex with one but... ok). For example:

Suzie: HB6
Laura: HB7
Mega: HB6.5

Average = 6.3

The thing is you should always try to improve yourself to be more sexually attractive so you make your way up.

For the ones that say leagues dont exist, I strongly disagree. Believing that is just living in a fanstasy world.

 

[amazingswayze]

The SMV theory

the thing is that, until you've dated many women you dont really know where you stand.

I read somewhere this: "show me the last three girls you had sex with, and I'll tell you where your sexual market value is".

So just do the average of the last three girls you had sex with (I think you just had sex with one but... ok). For example:

Suzie: HB6
Laura: HB7
Mega: HB6.5

Average = 6.3

The thing is you should always try to improve yourself to be more sexually attractive so you make your way up.

For the ones that say leagues dont exist, I strongly disagree. Believing that is just living in a fanstasy world.

Although I understand what you're saying about SMV, I think that mine will go up with experience because I will have more confidence in my dealings with women and before I had oral sex that was a serious limiting factor. Now that it has actually happened, I am much more comfortable in my own shoes. There will be a time when I date higher quality women, and I think it will happen soon; Fall semester :rockon:

 

[pyros]

Although I understand what you're saying about SMV, I think that mine will go up with experience because I will have more confidence in my dealings with women and before I had oral sex that was a serious limiting factor. Now that it has actually happened, I am much more comfortable in my own shoes. There will be a time when I date higher quality women, and I think it will happen soon; Fall semester :rockon:

that's the attitude.

Now you hace to face reality lol.

 

[amazingswayze]

College Social Circle

When fall semester starts, I'll definitely date more. Either through cold approach on campus or social circle. :woo:

I never did any clubs, or anything of that nature in high school. Now I realize this is what I have to do in college.

How else would you guys get involved in college social circles?

I want to date up, not down. :yes:

What are the best ways to get plugged into college social circles, besides frats? I might not have time to play sports but I'm down for clubs if they appeal to me. Keep in mind, I want to make plenty of new friends. This isn't just about girls.

Any ideas?

 

[skinnyguy]

Thank goodness I'm dating up. The women im dating is beautiful and fit while I'm average. I rejected many ugly women in order to get someone like her and it was 100% worth it.