Cutting question (weightlift??yes or no??)

[Badmannaz]

okay so i've been hitting the gym and my man focus right now is dropping poundage should i just work on cutting ie stairmaster arc trainer sit ups etc.. and cut out the weight lifting?? i'm not saying just weight lifting but just light lifting???

 

[suikeisuru]

That's a fantastic idea if you want your muscles to atrophy and shrink. If you cut out the weightlifitng or lift lighter, your muscles will get smaller, hence you will become smaller.

 

[Badmannaz]

so i should just keep lifting??? hard??

 

[suikeisuru]

Originally posted by Badmannaz
so i should just keep lifting??? hard??

Yes.

 

[BMX]

I've lost 7 lbs. in around one month from just waking up a 6 a.m. and going running 2-3x a week minimum. I've dropped from 235 to 228. Hope that helps inspire you.

 

[uzio]

First lift, then do cardio. No other option.

 

[jenzos]

Originally posted by uzio
First lift, then do cardio. No other option.

during wrestling season i would do my practice. -eat- then lift after practice. -eat again.-

cardio after lifting isnt the best idea imo.

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by jenzos
cardio after lifting isnt the best idea imo.

We are talking about cutting.

After a workout you are very low on muscle glycogen - therefore will burn almost exclusively fat. 30-40 minutes of cardio should suffice.

 

[Badmannaz]

what i do is i usually go in the gym get on the arc trainer for like 6 min then i start weightlifting i lateral sit-ups everytime i go and after all the weight lifting last i get on the stepper (that always makes me sweat like a pig)i usually do 7 min on that...

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by Badmannaz
what i do is i usually go in the gym get on the arc trainer for like 6 min then i start weightlifting i lateral sit-ups everytime i go and after all the weight lifting last i get on the stepper (that always makes me sweat like a pig)i usually do 7 min on that...

Id propose something like this:

Go to the gym.
Warmup (do some stretching etc)
Weights
Cardio (either 40-50 minutes of stable 60-70% heart rate elyptical machine/bike or a quick HIIT (on a stepper or just run a bit)).

HIIT http://www.youronlinefitness.com/Fi...articles/hiit_and_other_interval_training.htm

You can move your cardio to the morning, and do it fasted, but there is an increased risk of muscle loss. Altho it burns fat even faster.

Your choice (but abstain from doing cardio twice - fasted and after workout).

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by uzio
We are talking about cutting.

After a workout you are very low on muscle glycogen - therefore will burn almost exclusively fat. 30-40 minutes of cardio should suffice.

theres arguments for both sides of this but, I believe that the body will be burning muscle no matter how low the cardio is (at least anything over walking - lol ) wich will make your post-workout , or morning cardio ineffective. Its an undisputed fact that the body always burns some carbs and some fat. Its gonna burn protein to get carbs if you dont have any.

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
theres arguments for both sides of this but, I believe that the body will be burning muscle no matter how low the cardio is (at least anything over walking - lol ) wich will make your post-workout , or morning cardio ineffective. Its an undisputed fact that the body always burns some carbs and some fat. Its gonna burn protein to get carbs if you dont have any.

Get BCAA if you're really that worried.

Besides - If you're cutting then you will lose muscle (just like with bulking you will gain some fat). The whole point of weight lifting when cutting is to reduce the muscle loss.

FYI - I did 2-3 hour cardio when I was cutting and lost less then 1/2 inch in arms and about an inch in tighs. Not bad for 100lb loss huh?

 

[Badmannaz]

you lossed 100lbs??


o and uzio thankz for the advice for now on i plan on moving my cardio to the morning and then after school i'll lift thankz i plan on doing that tommorow!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Badmannaz]

btw how long did it take you to lose all that?

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by uzio
Get BCAA if you're really that worried.

Besides - If you're cutting then you will lose muscle (just like with bulking you will gain some fat). The whole point of weight lifting when cutting is to reduce the muscle loss.

FYI - I did 2-3 hour cardio when I was cutting and lost less then 1/2 inch in arms and about an inch in tighs. Not bad for 100lb loss huh?

its pretty bad, anyways, you can lose no muscle if you do cutting right.
Every body isnt the same, your experience alone is nothing, BCAA is simply protein you might as well eat a meal before doing cardio instead of taking shakes.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by Badmannaz
you lossed 100lbs??


o and uzio thankz for the advice for now on i plan on moving my cardio to the morning and then after school i'll lift thankz i plan on doing that tommorow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats bad, instead do cardo on the days you dont lift, and not in the morning.

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
Thats bad, instead do cardo on the days you dont lift, and not in the morning.

That is the safest route muscle-sparing wise. But if you have 100+ lbs to lose...

I personally would go for the most effective excersize - that is cardio fasted/after workout simply because with that much fat the body will mostly use it for fuel anyways.

Its not like the guy bulked to from 150 to 300 lbs, and now wants to cut to see his 6-pack... in that case I''d do as little cardio as possible (altho I'd probably do some HIIT)

BCAA has anti-katabolic qualities - it will help sparing the muscle during cardio.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by uzio
That is the safest route muscle-sparing wise. But if you have 100+ lbs to lose...

I personally would go for the most effective excersize - that is cardio fasted/after workout simply because with that much fat the body will mostly use it for fuel anyways.

Its not like the guy bulked to from 150 to 300 lbs, and now wants to cut to see his 6-pack... in that case I''d do as little cardio as possible (altho I'd probably do some HIIT)

BCAA has anti-katabolic qualities - it will help sparing the muscle during cardio.

Yeah, sure, you're 300lbs and you're gonna sprint HIIT style? Good luck.

BCAA has good anti-catabolic qualities but there's the question or whether it jacks insulin levels, thus making it fat sparing as well as protein sparing.

Guys, why are you making such a pig's ear of this? Dropping bodyfat is so much easier than building muscle, it's simply a case of watching your diet and doing more cardio.

• - Add the cardio of your choice. (or do more/longer sessions)
  - Use a carb cutoff.
  - Drink green tea (or take the pills).
  - Get your EFAs in (fish oil, flax oil, omega3 pills)
  - Stick to lean proteins after your carb cutoff (chicken, tuna, etc) and lean protein throughout the day too.
  - Be more meticulous about food choices in general, i.e. less junk and cheat meals.
  - Be more meticulous about food combinations (pro/fat pro/carb) if this affects you.
  - Drop or minimise dairy products if you're sensitive to them.
  - Lift as you always would, i.e. keep trying to progress.
  - Do not curb calories or carbs to keep you operating at anything less than peak efficiency.

And quite frankly, you should be doing all of those anyway to avoid getting fat in the first place.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by uzio
Besides - If you're cutting then you will lose muscle (just like with bulking you will gain some fat). The whole point of weight lifting when cutting is to reduce the muscle loss.

And therein lies the utter absurdity of bulking/cutting cycles. You don't have to get fat (even a little fat) to build muscle, and you don't have to lose muscle to get ripped. If you do, it's your own choice (and fault).

 

[uzio]

Warboss:

You're mixing two things.

300 lb guy who has 12% BF and is up from 150lb 8% will be perfectly capable of HIIT.

300 lb guy who is 40% bf can only do some lifting and steady state cardio (cycling etc)

In teh first case long cardio is absurd - it will burn muscle like mad. THose guys should increase reps, decerease weights and do little (10 minute HIIT probably) cardio.

In the second case before you get to the 15-17% BF muscle loss is not an issue. Even 3 hour cardio will not burn meat because the body wil prefer fat as fuel, since it is abundant. I experienced it first had - last year i virtually spent 5 weeks on the saddle of the bike. I dropped from 290 to 250. Ofc I also regained half of that in the winter because I didn't change my eating habits - but that is another story.

As for bulkin/cutting.

YOu will always gain fat when bulking. Period. Just like you will always lose muscle when cutting.

The skill is in the ratio. Lousy bulk will get you 50% fat/meat. Careful bulk will get you 15% fat/85% meat. But if you measure your BF you will notice that it will rise.

Likewise with cutting. Lousy cutting will burn as much muscle as fat. Laboratory-scientifically-anal cutting will get 85/15.

All that is simply because you cannot make the body to use just one fuel source. It always uses all three - even on the most hardcore keto or lowfat diets.

But - until %BF is in the teens - any plan that includes good diet, weights and lots of cardio will drop fat like mad.