Cutting drugs

[Jariel]

Has anybody ever used cutting drugs? I'm talking about things like ephidrene, clem or anavar. They have their side effects, but then so do over the counter solutions.

I've been having major issues with some stubborn fat around my mid section. I've tried cutting, cardio and both together and even though I can cut up nicely over the rest of my body, I'm always stuck with this stubborn fat.

I'm really frustrated and have reached the stage where I'm considering a one off cycle of cutting drugs. Some are very expensive (especially anavar), but if it does the job, then I'm happy to pay for it.

Any thoughts, advice or experiences?

 

[Warboss Alex]

I think you mean clen(buterol).

As for cutting drugs, it's like going on cycle.. you will make gains, but not keep all of them, especially if you are already advanced. So in your case, you would use the drugs to cut - they might get rid of the fat, but they will not do so in a way that keeps the fat off. It will come back gradually as your body's natural 'set point' is not at that leanness.

If you want to use drugs one-off for a show or whatever that's fine, but there's no such thing as a quick fix for the longterm, which I assume is your goal. It will not be a case of you using the drugs to diet down, and then just maintaining that leanness - you will revert back to the 'stubborn fat' you had before.

If I remember rightly your dieting protocol could still be optimised to get (and stay) leaner. show us what you're doing right now.

note - I'm not anti drug. it's just that you seem to think that you can use the drugs once to diet down and then that will be that.. that is not the case.

 

[Rash]

I burn fat quickly but I have used clenbuterol and Ephedrine just to be extra vascular , clenbuterol is better if you want to keep muscles while burning fat but ECA is better for energy, go for clenbuterol its safer and its anti-catabolic and it made me look more vascular whith all the veins popping from my arms, shoulders and chest!

 

[Jariel]

Thanks guys. I did mean Clenbuterol yes.

My problem is that I used to be severely overweight (obese) and managed to slim down. Nowadays, I work hard, I eat clean and can cut very effectively, but even at my most cut, this roll of fat won't go.

Because it is left over from my obese days, I believe that if I can lose it somehow, I won't gain it back. Cutting drugs is just a last resort after working my ass off for years, rather than a quick fix.

When it comes to cutting, I basically eat complex carbs for breakfast (wholemeal toast/porridge) then lean meat, tuna and eggs, green veg for the rest of the day. Additionally, a few weeks in, I start to add 2 sessions of HIIT per week and another 2 sessions of slow cardio (2-3 hour walks).

The fat (and water weight) comes off very effectively, except for that roll of fat on my midsection.

I've heard the term "brown fat" mentioned here and there and read that cutting drugs are very effective at burning this type of fat.

 

[Jariel]

Rash: Thanks for the pointers! I'll keep that in mind. Did you ever notice any side effects?

I've heard Clen is used legally to treat asthma in some countries, but has a number of side effects, whereas Anavar supposedly has none, which is why it appeals to me.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Eh, it seemed like my advice went unheeded.. you will gain the fat back unless you lose it gradually, and let your body 'bed in' to this new leanness. At 30 years old it's even more important to do these things gradually as your metabolism is less forgiving of sudden changes in body composition.

Your diet has little to no fats in it apart from the eggs, and is this a static low carb diet? Do you cycle carbs, refeed? You can start experimenting with keto-style diets. You should exhaust every avenue before you use drugs for the reason I stated above.. they are not sustainable results, ESPECIALLY if you are genetically predisposed to be fat or have been fat a while in your life.

 

[WesCottII]

A guy I knew used Ephidrene (sp), his right arm swelled up, and his heart went like a bee's wings. Next, it almost stopped altogether, and he went blue.

He, however isn't that smart and it wouldn't surprise me if he was doubling up his doses.

 

[speakeasy]

I hear ya. While I am in good shape overall, I still have some stubborn babyfat that that rolls up when I sit down that seems to be impossible to get rid of no matter how much cardio I've done. I've managed to slim it a bit by cutting sugary drinks and HFCS out of my diet, but can't get it to completely go away.

 

[Warboss Alex]

cardio will only take you guys so far.. there are certain 'genetic' stubborn fat reserves but they go away too - without the need for drugs.

 

[Rash]

Rash: Thanks for the pointers! I'll keep that in mind. Did you ever notice any side effects?

I've heard Clen is used legally to treat asthma in some countries, but has a number of side effects, whereas Anavar supposedly has none, which is why it appeals to me.

anavar is not a fat burner its like winstrol/stanazol it will make u gain hard muscle and u will look more vascular(u will look like u burned fat!) but it wont burn fat!
The frequent side effects of Clenbuterol are : shaky hands, loss of appetite, insomnia or feeling sleepy (yea some people react differently I get more sleepy), loss of endurance (but gain of power).
try this cycle of clen:
Day1: 60mcg
Day2-3: 80mcg
Day4-5: 100mcg
Day6-11: 120mcg
Day12-14: 140mcg

AND NO you wont gain back the fat unless you stop the clen and start eating like a pig!

if you want cycle the clenbuterol with ECA for 8 weeks, 2 weeks clen-2 weeks eca etc...dont run clen more than 2 weeks because your beta receptors will get used to it and it will stop being effective for fat burning it will only stay effective for asthma , if you want to keep it effective and run it for 4 or 6 weeks use ketotifen (zadatin) with it (its also an asthma drug) it will clear your beta receptors, BUT take into consideration that running Clenbuterol for more than 6 weeks in a raw is bad for your heart!!

 

[Rash]

cardio will only take you guys so far.. there are certain 'genetic' stubborn fat reserves but they go away too - without the need for drugs.

cardio only is effective for leptomorph guys like me, I can burn fat without going on a strict diet just by being more active, but endomorph guys need more than cardio and diet to burn the dead fat!

 

[Warboss Alex]

cardio only is effective for leptomorph guys like me, I can burn fat without going on a strict diet just by being more active, but endomorph guys need more than cardio and diet to burn the dead fat!

endomorphs cut down to 5% bf for bodybuilding shows with no drugs, albeit not as easily as ectos but there ya go..

 

[Rash]

endomorphs cut down to 5% bf for bodybuilding shows with no drugs, albeit not as easily as ectos but there ya go..

come on man you know more than me that all bodybuilding competitors use drugs like candy!! even a fat 300 lbs guy can cut down to 5% bf on DNP lol

 

[Warboss Alex]

come on man you know more than me that all bodybuilding competitors use drugs like candy!! even a fat 300 lbs guy can cut down to 5% bf on DNP lol

oh, true enough, true enough... just saying it can be done naturally, and since people here aren't trying to get that way down.

I'm not anti-drug, I'd just rather people learn how to diet, deplete, carb-cycle etc without using drugs first.

 

[Rash]

oh, true enough, true enough... just saying it can be done naturally, and since people here aren't trying to get that way down.

I'm not anti-drug, I'd just rather people learn how to diet, deplete, carb-cycle etc without using drugs first.

I agree some people don't want to learn how to diet or how to work hard I believe most of the guys here are doing it for the girls rather than themselves and thats wrong I workout and do martial arts just to feel good about myself (yes I like myself so much and I don't care if other people don't like it) and to spend my free time doing some quality things.