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Current girlfriend hanging out with ex and not being truthful..

Kreigore

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Greetings fellas,

Any feedback is appreciated. I also wrote some VERY BRIEF cliffs at the bottom, but skim the full story - you might be missing some details.

Thanks!

Here's my basic issue and story:

I've been dating my current girlfriend who I became exclusive with for a little over a year now. Initially, I was dating a few girls and decided to choose my current girlfriend. As mentioned before, we've been exclusive for a little over a year.

The issue:

Her ex-boyfriend. He has been constantly bugging her ever since they had broken up in October of 2007. He'll call, text, drop by for expected and unexpected visits - you name it.

Early in the relationship, she had given me a reason to question her trustworthiness. A buddy and I were hanging out and happened to drive by her apartment after I tried calling her. She didn't pick up and I didn't think too much of it -- until we drove by her apartment. Her ex's car was parked outside and a kid my girlfriend and I both know was parked outside as well.

The next day when my buddy was going back home, he happened to drive by again and saw the two of them leaving her apartment. I believed at this point that he had spent the night.

I questioned her the next day as to what she did the previous night and she mentioned that the kid we both know was over, but not her ex-boyfriend. I basically called her out on it and asked what the real deal was. She then admitted that he was over, but she was worried I would think poorly of her, because at this point we had only been dating for 2-3 weeks.

Immediately, I saw a red flag - but I figured, what the hell.. I have nothing to lose. First mistake? Maybe.

Much later on, she admitted that he had spent the night, but not in her bed (as she was having back problems), which was true - because I was with her the night before.

Here's where the dilemma begins:

During this period (about a month or two of dating), her and I would go out for dinner and come back to her apartment, there would be flowers waiting for her from her ex. Small things like that...

I told her that it was annoying, but left it at that. I figured she was a big girl and she would handle it how she saw fit.

This had gone off and on for awhile. As time went on, he would drop by unexpectedly and try to "put the moves on her" and she told me that she had avoided contact with him. She had said he tried to kiss her once or twice and she denied him, for obvious reasons.

They would talk on the phone occasionally and his unexpected visits would continue for awhile, etc.


Fast forward about 3-4 months ago and now...

We had spoken about the issues with her ex-boyfriend and I had told her that I didn't remain in contact with any of my ex's because I saw no reason to. I prefer to live in the present - not worrying about what my ex is up to.

I asked her why she still communicated with him. And her response was, "He's a decent guy deep down. I still care about him and he's being shipped out soon to Iraq. I don't wanna be on bad terms with him."

I could understand that, to some degree and left it at that.

Recently:

He's getting shipped out to Iraq in the next few days and she has been spending a lot of time with him. We had talked about it before and after all of the things he has tried to pull (him trying to touch her inappropriately, etc.), we agreed that she would never been alone with him. He would constantly question her about our relationship and want to know intimate details (whether we were having sex, etc.). Her parents even stated (or so she told me) that she probably shouldn't be alone with him and I left it at that.

Later on, I told her that I'd appreciate it if she told me when they would hang out together. I expressed that it would make me feel better to know what was going on and whether he had dropped by or not.

At this point, he was still writing letters to her expressing his love for her and telling her that he misses her. I asked her if she missed him and she said she did, but it wasn't "like that." She didn't want to see him get hurt or potentially die.

The recent issue:

She has not been telling me that she has been hanging out with him recently. We had agreed on her telling me what was going on or when they would hang out. When we spoke about her telling me, it wasn't said in a heated argument, it was in the flow of normal conversation when we were talking about the topic.

Essentially, a buddy and I (the same one mentioned earlier), decided to drive to her house when she didn't pick up my phone call earlier. Low and behold, his car (and another random car) were parked outside. She called me back about an hour later and we talked briefly and not once did she mention that he had been over. She preached our agreement.

We had spoken about her telling me that she was hanging out with him less than 24 hours before the event listed above. Essentially, she had hung out with him prior and she didn't tell me until I pressed it out of her.

So, fellow Don Juans, was it unreasonable of me to ask her to let me know when they would hang out? I have made concessions to her, by letting her maintain contact with her ex. I didn't think it was a big deal, especially given the situation. I wouldn't mind at all IF SHE TOLD ME, the problem is - that I asked her to let me know and SHE HASN'T.

I told her before that we would have some serious discussions if I found out that she was being dishonest with me again... and well, she has already proven that she was dishonest.. less than 24 hours of me asking her to let me know.

What would you do?

Cliffs:

-Ex-boyfriend of current girlfriend is constantly trying to sneak back in the picture and doing inappropriate things (trying to put the moves on her, dropping by, etc.)
-Girlfriend has been hanging out with ex-boyfriend before he gets shipped to Iraq
-I asked her to let me know when they hang out
-She has not been honest with me about them hanging out after we had a discussion about it
 

cordoncordon

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Grow a set of ballzzz and dump this girl NOW. Not to be harsh man but damnnnnn are you being played. You are letting this girl hang with a guy who still has the hots for your girl? Wow.

She's fvcking him that I can promise you.

D U M P H E R
 

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This whole situation is a disaster rife with drama.

Remove yourself from it.

And for all of your future relationships make it clear that ex's are not in the picture and if the girl insists on hanging around with an ex or having a load of guy friends (who aren't really friends but potential options for her) you move on and look for a girl who is in agreement with you on acceptable behavior to have in a relationship.

Likely in your scenario with this particular girl you were just being used to create jealousy.

The military man is her "A guy" and the man she really wants to be with but still she is no prize as she quite clearly enjoys petty highschool games and manipulative power games like this to control her men.

DJ's avoid these women like the plague or we all just fvck them while having no emotional attachment to them.

Also the guy's back may indeed of been hurt but regardless of the bullsh!t she told you rest assured his balls were resting on her chin that night or they found some way to fvck that allowed him to remain comfortable despite his back problems.

"Essentially, a buddy and I (the same one mentioned earlier), decided to drive to her house when she didn't pick up my phone call earlier. Low and behold, his car (and another random car) were parked outside. She called me back about an hour later and we talked briefly and not once did she mention that he had been over. She preached our agreement."

Also for future relationships keep in mind that when you sense a girl is untrustworthy to the point you feel you have to spy on her you are with the wrong woman.

Certainly its alright to try and prove for yourself that a girl is doing something unacceptable for your relationship before you leave her but its alright to leave her without any evidence whatsoever if you feel you cannot trust her or you sense she is a shady character but yeah if you go the route where you have to prove she's in the wrong first make sure that you leave her once you get your proof as if you stay after that it then means that you love and crave drama and deserve all the pain that she brings into your life from that point on.
 

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Well you're going to get a lot of "next her" which I don't really disagree with.

However, I hope you understand why you need to end this relationship.

When a woman has broken your trust, she has disrespected you to the worst degree. When she does it over another man, she has in a sense already killed you off as a viable man for her.

If she was really in love with you, do you think she would ever risk lying to you over some ex who's leaving the country soon?

There's no future there, there's no reason she would want to continue a long distance relationship with him.

So why is she lying to you? She doesn't care about you.

It's tough, I know but you have to realize the simple fact. Consciously she may still think she cares about you, however once a woman has violated a man's trust with another man, she no longer cares about you the same and most likely never will.

Now, take the following in and suck it down.

Your girl and her ex have been hooking up. And the most likely had sex. She's most likely cheated on you already, if not multiple times.

Girls don't invite guys over for patty-cake, especially ex-boyfriends.

How do I know this? Because I've experienced it and hundreds of others I know have. It never fails; when another guy is involved and is SLEEPING OVER their girl's place, she is up to something; and it's usually some heavy petting or heavy sex.

If nothing was truly going on, she would have held true to her word and told you when he was coming by. Hell, she wouldn't even be seeing him if she didn't care about him "like that" as she says.

I don't care how caring a woman is, if she has an ex over for a sleepover then something has already happened.

The fact that he keeps in touch with her tells you that she is most likely reciprocating his love for her. Yes, she may not be saying I love you back, but she is indeed keeping the door open for him whenever she feels like it.

So now that you've heard what is going on, I hope you know what you need to do.

And trust me, it's tough. It's going to be one of the toughest things you'll ever do in your life. But there is light at the end of the tunnel. And after you've gotten over this, you'll look back on this like it was one big joke; a bump in the road at the most. You should also have no regrets. Remember, this was a learning experience. You're on your way to better things.

Good luck
 

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If you were going to go to all that trouble of going over there. You should've thrown on a hoody, went up to her appartment (please tell me you got a key) and confronted her face to face.
 

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A lot of what you said makes perfect sense.

While I don't want to believe they screwed, it's possible.

She's on break now and at her parent's house. Her parents are fairly overbearing, so it's highly probable nothing happened - but there's still a chance it happened.

How would you confront her? Just drop her with no reason given? That seems to be the best. Or, just telling her that I knew she was being dishonest and then drop her?

I think I'm gonna go hang out with my buddies on New Years now.
 

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Dropping her with no explanation is the best.

It drives women nuts and she will go to incredible lengths to get you to talk to her again.

So it helps if you've got one of those phone systems that helps you see whose calling so she doesn't even get to hear you say hello before you hang up on her.

Also block her from email and anything else you might talk to her through.

If she tries to talk to you in public remain silent and walk away.

NEVER TRY AND TELL A B!TCH OFF WHO DID YOU WRONG!!!

All that ever does is give a chick validation and drama that they crave even if as a guy it feels like the right thing for you to do.

Also no matter what you say the message would just be ignored and re-interpreted to mean you really care about her because you got so emotional with what you said to her.

So yes indeed for bad women silence is always the best medicine to feed them.
 

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Just do whatever makes you feel better about yourself in the long run. You could drop her with no reason. You could give her the reason, then drop her. You could drop your load on her face and then kick her out of the house with no cloths on, then drop her. You could drop her by sending her a home movie staring you and her best friend.

Any of these will do.
 

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Kreigore said:
A lot of what you said makes perfect sense.

While I don't want to believe they screwed, it's possible.

She's on break now and at her parent's house. Her parents are fairly overbearing, so it's highly probable nothing happened - but there's still a chance it happened.

How would you confront her? Just drop her with no reason given? That seems to be the best. Or, just telling her that I knew she was being dishonest and then drop her?

I think I'm gonna go hang out with my buddies on New Years now.
The parents being overbearing isn't always a secure way to know things didn't happen. If they were overbearing do you think they would allow this dude to sleep over? With a friend non-the-less?

Even if she told them that they were just 'friends', what would keep her from doing things when they're not around? Nothing.

Again, I'm not cutting to early conclusions for no reason; the worst thing on these forums are people who come to early conclusions when they are not true.

But I've seen this a million times and there's no doubt in my mind what's done is done.

I don't think your girl really deserves a reason. I would just tell her that you aren't happy anymore and you want to break things off, which is true anyways now right?

By giving her the satisfaction that you know about her little secret operation she'll just feel better about the fact that she got to you.

She will ask why and why many times and beg for your forgiveness, however I wouldn't give it to her. I've been in too many off and on f*cked up relationships to tell you that good things would come out of taking this chick back.

NYE with friends is a good idea. If it makes you feel any better, my ex offered to get me a hotel room with her this year and I turned her down to go up to NYC and party with friends. Why? Because she did something similar to what your ex did.

What goes around comes around.
 

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Oh yeah and if you were to tell her off either calmly or loudly it might feel good in the moment but later on down the line you will realize you gave up your dignity to do so and you will then feel like sh!t.

So don't listen to anyone telling you to go that route man.

Don't tell her she violated your trust, don't tell her you're ending things because she kept seeing that guy, don't say anything to her at all.

Let your silence be her teacher.
 

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Wouldn't it be IRONIC if you made an unexpected visit, while he was there from doing the same.... hmm

I agree with the Kontroller, get out of this before you really end up getting hurt.
 

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The bottom line is you do not respect YOURSELF if you have allowed this to go on for so long. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise, they are screwing. It's hard and I sympathize, but at the same time you have brought this onto yourself because you have allowed it to go on.

Gain some self respect from her, but most importantly from yourself, and end this relationship. No questions asked, no explanations given.

Trust me she'll know why.
 

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Looking back on it, I knew something like this would happen.

So yeah, we do have a vacation planned soon. I wonder if we should still go and I can freak her out in the sack? Then break up with her shortly thereafter, without giving any reason? Seems like a reasonable idea.

Meh, the list is endless I guess.

Your words have helped and I didn't want to hear them - but I listened to my heart and NOT my head. One of my first mistakes.
 

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I thought about knocking on her parent's door tonight, but said eff it.

It wasn't worth the drama that would erupt.
 

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Why would you possibly go on vacation with, spend another dime on, and spend your precious time with someone who has so blatantly disrespected you?

Is this your first gf because this just doesn't make sense? There are a MILLION girls out there. Spend your time and money on one that actually likes and respects YOU.
 

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Kreigore said:
I thought about knocking on her parent's door tonight, but said eff it.

It wasn't worth the drama that would erupt.
Just call her, tell her you do not wish to continue this relationship any further, wish her luck, and end it at that.
 

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Nah, not my first. If it matters, its been paid for already.

And yeah, you're right - I wouldn't be spending another dime on her, but rather - nailing her and dumping her after.

However, that seems like a sh!tty idea.
 

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Dont put her in a position to pull her pussi mind tricks on you. That is one reason to offer no explanations. She will find a way to convince you nothing happened, and you will WANT to believe it. Dont give her that chance! Learn from all of our mistakes, and walk away. She'll know why, but will claim not to. Dont take her on your trip, or she'll use every trick in the womans bible to not only convince you of her innocence, but to turn the whole thing around to point the blame at you. You'll end up apologizing to her, for her crimes against you. There's no such thing as 'one last fvck.'
 
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