Crossing the line from assertive to needy

[Sofomore]

I have run into a weakness in my game. I keep a strong frame throughout the passive tests and struggle when it comes to fully closing. I don't know what it is, but I seem to not be able to get their underwear off. I have them hot and heavy, in bed, bra off, yet the girl will push my hand away when I reach to take the underwear off.

When this happens I am confused about what to do. I don't want to be needy and keep trying over and over (ive done it up to 6 times, and the underwear still didnt come off). Where do you draw the line to just roll over and pass out? Two tries? One?

The girls use this little move to get power over me, when the entire interaction up to that point has been them chasing me.

Now I know these girls DO want to sleep with me, but it just seems as if they want to make me wait. Does this mean I am giving off too much of a "relationship material" type vibe?

I am a 4th year in college, fresh out of a 2 year relationship so all of these girls that I game know that I was in a committed, awesome relationship. I can't tell if the girls knowing this makes them hold back.

What made me post this was last night this exact thing happened. I met a cute sorority girl about 3 weeks ago and we made out the second night we saw each other. She came over to my house party and we made out again but her girlfriend swooped her away. Fast forward to last night, I go to her sorority formal with her friend, and she pretty much ditches her date to hang out with me. We spend the entire night together, going on adventures to the top of buildings, making out the whole time. We end up at her place, to her bed and then the situation happens. So frustrating because I just feel like its a weakness in my game yet I have no idea how to fix it.

 

[window]

you are placing to much importance on "getting their panties off". Just enjoy the moment and the women you are with and they'll take them off for you...

 

[ATX1001]

There are lots of opinions about melting a girl's LMR. Personally speaking, I have found that a "freeze-out" is one very effective method. I'll just walk away--go into another room and ignore her. This will feel a bit weird. You might be tempted to break the silencev after a few moments, but don't. After a few minutes, she may try to get you to open up. I'll just say something like, "sorry, but I just get kind of turned off when I feel like someone isn't into me." Occasionally it's worked, but just know that oftentimes you'll have to be a little patient. Forward momentum is better than no momentum. You might not fvuck her the first time, but that doesn't mean you won't get another chance.

Freeze outs never worked for me.

OP, just rub through the panties, then you can hook a finger and pull them to one side and they are effectively off (you have full access) with actually taking them off. Once you've got to that point, she will take them off herself in less than 5 minutes.

I've had the best success going super slow and building anticipation. If you go straight for the target you will get what you describe.

 

[LostAndConfused]

OP, just rub through the panties, then you can hook a finger and pull them to one side and they are effectively off (you have full access) with actually taking them off. Once you've got to that point, she will take them off herself in less than 5 minutes.

This advice is spot on.

Find some way to stimulate her **** during the interaction and you're golden, assuming she's already turned on. This could be done dancing at a club grinding or positioning your leg or your **** (through pants) in between her legs. You can tell this "legging" of a girl is working when she's sighing/moaning/gasping with pleasure. This also slows down the interaction so you don't rush into sex!!! Rushing is generally the reason why you get LMR...you fvcked up somewhere during the escalation.

If need be, DiCarlo has a good point about having your naked stomach touching her stomach (pull up her shirt a little to do this), he claims it triggers feelings of sex because your naked stomachs touch during copulation. I used to do this on my first lays but I haven't really had to do it recently. From my experience it works. Try this...it might work to bypass LMR.


As a difference though...I enter sex differently than ATX1001..... I used to do the whole short-pulling-aside move but now usually my sex escalates to this anyways. I don't do this anymore. Although every man has his own method. Each one of them works, when it's been backed up by experience!!!

Now, when I'm hooking up, hot n heavy with a girl and we continue to remove each other's clothes until we're in our underwear. This is after I've warmed up her pssy in some way. Then I usually step back from the girl and make eye contact with her (passionate, dominating stare), and I pretty much decide in that exact second whether she will get fvcked or not. If no, I'll just finger her and resist all her protestations to have sex. If yes, I usually see some sort of fear/lust in the girls eyes....something just clicks with me in that gaze. I then tell them "take your panties off," while I grab a condom and then go at it. You'd be surprised how powerful those four words are

The girls might be making you wait because you seem more like a relationship type guy, given the fact they show high interest yet don't fvck. Or you could be with non-sluts (go you!) ? The relationship guy still gets the pvssy though :rockon: .

It just takes experience though. Work on a method that works best for you.... that's the point I'm trying to make.

Every man has his own shwing, and I think women actually appreciate your uniqueness in style. I think it's what divides "good sex" from "great sex" in their eyes.

I knew a girl who complained about one of my best friend's being bad at sex. She claimed he had no "personality" in bed. Try to be less automatic and more sensual with your women.

 

[TempestNight]

This advice is spot on.

Find some way to stimulate her **** during the interaction and you're golden, assuming she's already turned on. This could be done dancing at a club grinding or positioning your leg or your **** (through pants) in between her legs. You can tell this "legging" of a girl is working when she's sighing/moaning/gasping with pleasure. This also slows down the interaction so you don't rush into sex!!! Rushing is generally the reason why you get LMR...you fvcked up somewhere during the escalation.

If need be, DiCarlo has a good point about having your naked stomach touching her stomach (pull up her shirt a little to do this), he claims it triggers feelings of sex because your naked stomachs touch during copulation. I used to do this on my first lays but I haven't really had to do it recently. From my experience it works. Try this...it might work to bypass LMR.


As a difference though...I enter sex differently than ATX1001..... I used to do the whole short-pulling-aside move but now usually my sex escalates to this anyways. I don't do this anymore. Although every man has his own method. Each one of them works, when it's been backed up by experience!!!

Now, when I'm hooking up, hot n heavy with a girl and we continue to remove each other's clothes until we're in our underwear. This is after I've warmed up her pssy in some way. Then I usually step back from the girl and make eye contact with her (passionate, dominating stare), and I pretty much decide in that exact second whether she will get fvcked or not. If no, I'll just finger her and resist all her protestations to have sex. If yes, I usually see some sort of fear/lust in the girls eyes....something just clicks with me in that gaze. I then tell them "take your panties off," while I grab a condom and then go at it. You'd be surprised how powerful those four words are

The girls might be making you wait because you seem more like a relationship type guy, given the fact they show high interest yet don't fvck. Or you could be with non-sluts (go you!) ? The relationship guy still gets the pvssy though :rockon: .

It just takes experience though. Work on a method that works best for you.... that's the point I'm trying to make.

Every man has his own shwing, and I think women actually appreciate your uniqueness in style. I think it's what divides "good sex" from "great sex" in their eyes.

I knew a girl who complained about one of my best friend's being bad at sex. She claimed he had no "personality" in bed. Try to be less automatic and more sensual with your women.

I agree with this completely.

Escalation is important, if the girl senses that you desperately want to fuvk, it will just push her into LMR. You just need to take it slower, concentrate on foreplay and making her dripping wet, and sooner or later she would rip through her own panties just to get you inside her.

 

[Sofomore]

Hmm thanks for the responses. It looks like I am trying too hard when it comes to getting them naked. If I just take my time it should correct the problem. I guess there is no reason to rush into the sex.

 

[dronkitto]

Yeah dude, excellent responses here. I'd go for the foreplay, not the freezing. I have lots of trouble taking girls to bed but once we're there it's all right! I don't try to pull her panties, just rub her with the panties on (not forgetting to do all other kinds of stuff). Most of the times it's easy to stimulate the **** that way and they love it. They end up raping me eventually xD

Edit: if they won't even let you, or not making it easy by closing their legs toghether, I usually just go lick and bite her tighs or, the other way around, the bellybutton and down on. You can even lick her with panties on, that's great too xD

 

[rhythmic]

Yeah, it's more or less a matter of technique at that point - you should be driving her wild and making her come to you.