Critique this spot: 1st OLD

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Hb stands for hot babe on the “hot babe ranking scale” so you can be a hb1

HB 1-10 is too broad of a scope.

 

[Murk]

HB 1-10 is too broad of a scope.

Do you have a better system? I’m all ears. I agree that 7-10 is very subjective and vague, I class 8 as a stunner, 9 and 10 model, gorgeous, flawless. I’m personally aiming for 9s and 10s

 

[RangerMIke]

Nonsense.

How in the hell would that work?

Her: What is the least thing you like about the city?

You: Well, what I like about the city is its diversity. There are many different ethnicities and cultures, and I am a man of culture. My mother is Navajo Indian and my father is Nigerian.



SMH.



Bullsh!t.

Invite her to your place before the date, and if she found you sexually attracted enough (to begin with), she would not have a problem with it.



It just dawned on me..

Most of you guys apparently do not have any experience dealing with women of whom have let you smash without any rapport building or week(s)-long waits.

That is why all of this pansy ass advice is constantly given on here.

There are indeed levels to this sh!t.

But I tell you what, once you've experienced smashing chicks on the same night that you met them, you will NEVER go back to waiting again.

Trust me on that one.

If that works for you great! Who said anything about waiting? The point is that a chick decides before you pick her up if she is going to fvck you. At that point all you can do is screw that up. If she is DTF then all that can happen is you mess up... just sharing the best way not to fvck up.... feel free to ignore.

When I was in my 20s I was pretty much like you... then I learned it really didn't matter what I did as long as I didn't act like a dancing grinder monkey or goof ball clown.

 

[FinallyAlpha]

A lot of guys fired up ITT. No, I'm not repulsed by her. Yes, I would fvck her brains out.

The HB1-10 thing is completely subjective. You and I might look at the same woman and rank her differently.

I'll think about avoiding the ranking thing in the future if it is so controversial. It also doesn't sit right with me anyway. Not my style.

The only constructive thing I can see from the discussion is that, yes, I probably should aim a notch or two higher.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Who said anything about waiting?

You did.

You told the poor sap..

" (2) Moved too fast from meeting to inviting her over to your place. "

If he moved too fast, then the competing action would be to "take it slower"...which is another way of saying WAIT.

The point is that a chick decides before you pick her up if she is going to fvck you.

So that is why you suggest the idea of her coming to your place (or wherever) before you pick her up.

At that point all you can do is screw that up. If she is DTF then all that can happen is you mess up... just sharing the best way not to fvck up.... feel free to ignore.

When I was in my 20s I was pretty much like you... then I learned it really didn't matter what I did as long as I didn't act like a dancing grinder monkey or goof ball clown.

If your desire is to smash the chick ASAP, and after the date you do not smash...

Then you feel like you wasted time/money.

But if you smash before the date...then the date will be money well spent.

Don't know what part of that you guys do not understand.

 

[FinallyAlpha]

You told the poor sap..

You are a lunatic. But there is merit to what you are saying. Beneath all the ranting and raving.

 

[RangerMIke]

You did.

You told the poor sap..

" (2) Moved too fast from meeting to inviting her over to your place. "

No. You clearly do not know the difference between waiting and not acting like a sex starved jack@ss looking to put another notch in your bed post.

Like I said if all this works for you great! I mean that. But a VAST majority of women are not going to respond well to a second date where you are inviting her to your place. Sure it happens, it happens with me, it happens with me on first dates.... when you have a woman that is VERY attracted to you things can move very fast. But it isn't anything I DID, she was down and I just didn't fvck it up.

There is a lot to be said for the direct approach (your approach) cuts to the chase... gets to the point... like I said when I was younger, that was pretty much me. But over time I learned that it really didn't have anything to do with ME, it was all about what she was already wanting to do. If you just pay attention to what she is doing, and how she is behaving you can figure out if anything is going to happen, then you make your move.

Truth is that neither your advice or mine is very helpful to the OP because we were not there. I have no real idea what this chick's mental state was because neither of us observed her behavior. However, it is clear since the OP used your approach it didn't fvcking work. Not only that but he was epically shot down and has lost any chance to recover from this. So you are defending a method that did not work, at least in this case. There is no guarantee that what I am recommending would have worked either, why because I wasn't there.

It is quite possible that she just was not interested. If that is what happened then neither you or I would have been able to turn this around.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I'll think about avoiding the ranking thing in the future if it is so controversial. It also doesn't sit right with me anyway. Not my style.

Though it's subjective, it's still useful in providing context.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

No. You clearly do not know the difference between waiting and not acting like a sex starved jack@ss looking to put another notch in your bed post.

No. You clearly do not know the difference between making a bold, direct suggestion towards a woman for sex, and acting like a sex starved jack@ass.

The two are not the same.

You do understand that, right?

Like I said if all this works for you great! I mean that.

It can work for you too.

All it requires is for you to have some BALLS and set high value standards for yourself.

But a VAST majority of women are not going to respond well to a second date where you are inviting her to your place.

Sure she will.

For the right guy, a woman will leave the club with the guy on the same night that she met him.

The problem is, most of you guys just simply ain't that guy.

Sure it happens, it happens with me, it happens with me on first dates....

It takes a first date for you.

It does not take a first date for me.

That is the difference between you and I.

Goes back to standards.

when you have a woman that is VERY attracted to you things can move very fast. But it isn't anything I DID, she was down and I just didn't fvck it up.

Which is why you build your SMV so that more women can be VERY attracted to you and things can move very fast on a consistent basis.

There is a lot to be said for the direct approach (your approach) cuts to the chase... gets to the point... like I said when I was younger, that was pretty much me. But over time I learned that it really didn't have anything to do with ME, it was all about what she was already wanting to do.

Women do not lay with guys that they aren't attracted to.

If she sleeps with you, she is attracted to you.

So it has EVERYTHING to do with you.

If you just pay attention to what she is doing, and how she is behaving you can figure out if anything is going to happen, then you make your move.

Kinda, sorta.

Truth is that neither your advice or mine is very helpful to the OP because we were not there. I have no real idea what this chick's mental state was because neither of us observed her behavior.

Well, the OP said that the two of them played the kissing game...so that's all the observed behavior I needed to know about to make an informed opinion.

However, it is clear since the OP used your approach it didn't fvcking work. Not only that but he was epically shot down and has lost any chance to recover from this. So you are defending a method that did not work, at least in this case.

Nonsense.

Wrong again.

My approach did work. He invited her over to his house. That is the same thing I would have done.

Just because she declined does not mean that the approach did not work.

As long the man is honest with the woman about his intentions, then the plan works; regardless of the outcome.

There is no guarantee that what I am recommending would have worked either, why because I wasn't there.

It is quite possible that she just was not interested. If that is what happened then neither you or I would have been able to turn this around.

If she is not interested, then taking her on 2-3 dates won't change a damn thing.

So you might as well save yourself time/money by going Mode One on her.

That is the difference between a quick death, and a slow, painful, and agonizing death.

I like my rejections quick.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You are a lunatic.

I'd rather be a lunatic than a beta male simp.

But there is merit to what you are saying.

Lots of merit.

Beneath all the ranting and raving.

Entire books have been written on the stuff I rant/rave about.

 

[RangerMIke]

If she is not interested, then taking her on 2-3 dates won't change a damn thing.

So you might as well save yourself time/money by going Mode One on her.

That is the difference between a quick death, and a slow, painful, and agonizing death.

I like my rejections quick.

You and I are just arguing about method. You prefer to be up front and direct... never did I say you were wrong. NEVER did I suggest that that you should waste time pursuing a chick that that isn't attracted to. All we are arguing is how you screen out women. This works for you... keep being you.

Like I said when I was in my 20s I did the same thing because I lacked experience.

ALL WOMEN know what you want, men are not that fvcking complicated. When you ask out a woman, SHE KNOWS you want to fvck her. At that point she is either going to open the door or keep it closed. If she opens the door, you just have to walk through it.

Most 1st dates go no where. Neither of us observed the chick... we do not know if the OP actually had a shot... we do not know if the door was open and he fumbled on the 2 yard line or if he never had a shot. I do agree with you that now he knows... time to move on.

The OP was wondering what went wrong... I agree this is a waste of time. But he could have learned this without asking her over to his place on a second date, besides why would you invite a chick to your place when you don't even fvcking know her... for all you know she could be a bunny boiling lunatic, why would you want some crazy chick knowing where you live? If he'd asked her out again she likely would have done the same thing regardless of his suggestion.... then the man can delate her number and forget about her. But the truth is, depending on how she behaved I likely would have just not even asked her out again (but since I wasn't there I don't know). All your direct approach does is give her something she can yack about with her ding-dong girlfriends. When you 'ghost' her she then wonders what SHE DID.

The only difference between you and I is you think the only way to know for sure is to be overtly direct, I disagree.... but if you lack experience with women then it's all you have.

 

[sph21]

Complaining at all is negative and, I think, gives off whiny little b1tch vibes. We should always keep it positive, right?

You should end the date when things were doing great. You'd want to let her think of you while you're away.
When she starts asking about something negative such as, "What do you dislike more about this city", you might want to deflect it by saying, "I can't think of any on top of my head", and then ask her the same question and after that, you can ask about something positive such as what does she like about this city. Don't let her ruin the date by focusing on the negatives.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You and I are just arguing about method.

I know.

And method is EVERYTHING.

You prefer to be up front and direct... never did I say you were wrong.

But I am saying that you are wrong, in my opinion.

Telling the poor sap that he moved to quickly by asking her over to his place is simply wrong advice.

NEVER did I suggest that that you should waste time pursuing a chick that that isn't attracted to. All we are arguing is how you screen out women. This works for you... keep being you.

There is only one screening process...which two questions..

"Do I find her attractive"

and..

"Do I want to have sex with her"

If the answer is yes to both questions, then the screening process is complete.

If the goal is to ensure that you do NOT waste time (or as little time as possible) dealing with a woman who does not want to deal with you and in the manner that you want to deal with her; the direct approach is the best way to accomplish this.

This is not a matter of opinion, this is a matter of fact.

Like I said when I was in my 20s I did the same thing because I lacked experience.

ALL WOMEN know what you want, men are not that fvcking complicated. When you ask out a woman, SHE KNOWS you want to fvck her. At that point she is either going to open the door or keep it closed. If she opens the door, you just have to walk through it.

Sooo, how in the FUK are you going to know whether or not she wants to fvck you in return??

After 3 or 4 dates and you've spent/wasted x amount of dollars, and wasted x amount of time?

No.

That is called a low ROI.

A zero/low return on investment.

Most 1st dates go no where.

Dates are not needed if all you are looking for is sex.

Don't know what part of that you guys don't understand.

Neither of us observed the chick... we do not know if the OP actually had a shot... we do not know if the door was open and he fumbled on the 2 yard line or if he never had a shot. I do agree with you that now he knows... time to move on.

The OP was wondering what went wrong... I agree this is a waste of time. But he could have learned this without asking her over to his place on a second date, besides why would you invite a chick to your place when you don't even fvcking know her... for all you know she could be a bunny boiling lunatic, why would you want some crazy chick knowing where you live?

I agree, inviting a chick over to YOUR place is risky for the reasons you've mentioned.

That is why hotels/motels exists.