Creepiness

[mbc0029]

I understand the general idea behind it. Essentially, a woman has ruled you out for sex, and maybe you don't get the hint that she's not interested (blue pill/simp/plugged in/AFC).

Her hindbrain is either telling her you're a danger to her, or her hypergamy is insulted and she's disgusted by a guy who thinks he can get with her.

Before I became red pill aware, I used to fear a woman thinking I was creepy. Now, if a woman thinks that, I just move on immediately and go about doing what I'm doing and take the hint. I expect this to happen more from women with higher egos or who are younger.

A lot of it seems to come down to reading women's nonverbal behavior, and most guys don't seem to understand that part. Also, a woman might take the same behavior from 2 different guys (hot guy, ugly guy) in totally different ways. The hot guy is great or socially awkward, but he's cool. The ugly guy is a creep.

I don't have any specific questions to ask about it. But if anybody wants to add to this or go deeper into the topic, feel free. I brought it up because I read an online article from the Rational Male website. It's an article from 2017. And it's still fresh on my mind.

The ‘Creep’ – Part 1

What makes a guy “creepy”? For almost every woman I polled in researching this essay what makes a guy ‘creepy’ is the inability of a guy to ‘take a hint’. Most seemed to believe that there was some…

therationalmale.com

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

In a girls mind, generally speaking, creep = unattractive guy who hits on me

As you said if you're attractive they won't think it's creepy unless you're a full autist mode coomer and socially uncalibrated.

Granted, if you're physically unattractive but have the "rizz" they almost certainly won't find it creepy, worst case will find it amusing. In fact, it gets more complicated, if you're oozing social calibration/charm/confidence it becomes a force multiplier when you're more average looking and can elevate you to a top tier guy. If you're highly attractive and you use excessive charisma and game, that can backfire, since in their mind attractive guys should just "be themselves" and not need to try so hard like an average guy would.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The creep / freak filter is developed in adolescence when young girls get approached by creepy freaky men.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

One of the four rules I live by is to never take ANYTHING personally.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if a girl is not attracted to you, just move on. You can never say the wrong thing to the right person, there are just simply a lot of "wrong" women for you that you have to vet through. That's all.

So again, take your shot, if rejected don't take it personally, and move on.

But regarding your post, women throw that term quite loosely nowadays. As Flexpert said, nowadays a creep is anyone that is hitting (or even noticing them) on them that they don't find attractive. In reality, a creep is much more, and social cues as you correctly pointed out is something a "creep" often lacks.

 

[mbc0029]

Granted, if you're physically unattractive but have the "rizz" they almost certainly won't find it creepy, worst case will find it amusing. In fact, it gets more complicated, if you're oozing social calibration/charm/confidence it becomes a force multiplier when you're more average looking and can elevate you to a top tier guy. If you're highly attractive and you use excessive charisma and game, that can backfire, since in their mind attractive guys should just "be themselves" and not need to try so hard like an average guy would.

I didn't think about it like that, but that's a good point about charisma in an average guy vs charisma in a good looking guy.

I could expect an average looking guy with great social skills/charm to be very attractive to women. The part I didn't think about was how a really good looking dude could have the same exact social skills/charm, and have it back fire because he "should be himself". So, a lot of it is based on her expectations in any given situation, even if it's just perception.

I could also see the same situation happening with a girl who's a 4 vs a girl who's a 9. That get's interesting too.

 

[mbc0029]

It seems like 90% of the battle is understanding non-verbal communication. Maybe I'm wrong, but it has a lot to do with it.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In a girls mind, generally speaking, creep = unattractive guy who hits on me

As you said if you're attractive they won't think it's creepy unless you're a full autist mode coomer and socially uncalibrated.

Granted, if you're physically unattractive but have the "rizz" they almost certainly won't find it creepy, worst case will find it amusing. In fact, it gets more complicated, if you're oozing social calibration/charm/confidence it becomes a force multiplier when you're more average looking and can elevate you to a top tier guy. If you're highly attractive and you use excessive charisma and game, that can backfire, since in their mind attractive guys should just "be themselves" and not need to try so hard like an average guy would.

If one is GL and has ‘rizz’. She may think you do this all the time. Which may or msy not be s negative.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

If one is GL and has ‘rizz’. She may think you do this all the time. Which may or msy not be s negative.

Maybe, I think if you exude charm and sociability you can tone it down with humor and light-heartedness so you don't come off too strong.

Everyone should watch this video, this is an example of what I'm describing. And yes it's a gimmick but the "vibe" and ability to read them is perfectly calibrated imo.

 

[manfrombelow]

One of the four rules I live by...

And the other three are... ? Mind sharing them, buddy?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

If one is good looking and has charisma. She may think you do this all the time. Which may or msy not be s negative.

It's a positive if you pick up on it - suspicious girls are more difficult as they're operating from an avoidance mindset, they'll be more picky. So if it's not the "he's a player!" red flag, she'll just find another red flag, because she'll be looking for them to begin with rather than just going with the flow.

 

[ManlyMan]

if you feel you are creepy it is a self fulfilling prophecy. its called state transfer. if you are nervous or angry or think she is going to reject you she will.

 

[BadBoy89]

if you feel you are creepy it is a self fulfilling prophecy. its called state transfer. if you are nervous or angry or think she is going to reject you she will.

This is a great point that’s not brought up enough on Sosuave.

If a man is relaxed, having fun, and enjoying himself, the girl will feel it. If the man is nervous, worried about saying the wrong thing, just wanting to get laid, the girl will feel it.

The only thing a man should focus is having a good time for himself. If a man has a good time, she will have a good time, guaranteed.

 

[Ricky]

In a girls mind, generally speaking, creep = unattractive guy who hits on me

As you said if you're attractive they won't think it's creepy unless you're a full autist mode coomer and socially uncalibrated.

Granted, if you're physically unattractive but have the "rizz" they almost certainly won't find it creepy, worst case will find it amusing. In fact, it gets more complicated, if you're oozing social calibration/charm/confidence it becomes a force multiplier when you're more average looking and can elevate you to a top tier guy. If you're highly attractive and you use excessive charisma and game, that can backfire, since in their mind attractive guys should just "be themselves" and not need to try so hard like an average guy would.

I agree. I am average looking or at best occasionally described as cute with an above average physique but mostly thats only knowable when i am shirtless. ****y and funny works way better than me than it would if i was a Chad in looks.

 

[mbc0029]

if you feel you are creepy it is a self fulfilling prophecy. its called state transfer. if you are nervous or angry or think she is going to reject you she will.

Great point. 100% agree. Combine your confident mental state (self-fullfilling prophecy )with Red pill awareness & Skilled Game, along with some other variables, (looks, money).

Almost the perfect guy. I can't imagine.

The complete package.

 

[SW15]

Creepy is an overused word by mainly White Millennial and Gen Z women that is subjective and has lots of meanings.

Creepy often comes down to looks. If a woman isn't physically attracted to a man, almost anything he does is creepy. An acceptable behavior from a normie range man or a top tier man is a creepy behavior when it is done by a lower tier man.

 

[mbc0029]

Creepy is an overused word by mainly White Millennial and Gen Z women that is subjective and has lots of meanings.

Creepy often comes down to looks. If a woman isn't physically attracted to a man, almost anything he does is creepy. An acceptable behavior from a normie range man or a top tier man is a creepy behavior when it is done by a lower tier man.

True.

I might rephrase it for myself as "Does she want to **** you or not **** you", before you've said a single word. At that point, all you have to do is not **** it up.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

And the other three are... ? Mind sharing them, buddy?

• Be Impeccable With Your Word
• Don't Take Anything Personally
• Don't Make Assumptions
• Always Do Your Best

I highlighted my top two but those are all four. It's from a book called "The Four Agreements" by Don Miguel Ruiz. Highly recommend it.

 

[Bingo-Player]

This is a great point that’s not brought up enough on Sosuave.

If a man is relaxed, having fun, and enjoying himself, the girl will feel it. If the man is nervous, worried about saying the wrong thing, just wanting to get laid, the girl will feel it.

The only thing a man should focus is having a good time for himself. If a man has a good time, she will have a good time, guaranteed.

Yea this

 

[manfrombelow]

Yea this

That's the key principle of obtaining true happiness.

For example, instead of the old and boring "Hey you free this Saturday? Can we go do this and that", it should be "Hey I'm going to the bowling club with my guys this Saturday, let me know if you wanna join"

Everything a man invests into should be all about making himself happy and fulfiled in a good way, and women could hop in during the journey if they want. If they don't, well it's their loss.

Most young men don't get this though. Can't blame them.