Originally posted by xblitz44x:
The seduction forum is more specialized. It is for people who have the motive to get laid, fast. They don't want to go on dates, or screen for LTRs...they want to attract women, and have sex with them.
That's certainly why whenever someone brings up SS in the main discussion forum, the flame squad is quick to the scene with multiple handles per flame-er and the old tried and tested routine.
Half the posters want this and half don't. Most of the ones that don't feel that by introducting "seduction," we are cramming the accompanying philosophy down their throats.
Allen tells us that his entire site is based on seduction. We don't need a seduction forum when we have a seduction website and a seduction newsletter. He seems open minded about the prospect of hosting another forum as long as there is a good reason for it and that it will attract many posters.
The problem lies in defining what we are talking about when we use the term "Seduction." Blitz says it's getting laid fast. Nick says that it's communicating with a woman so that she will have a strong desire to have sex with you.
My take is that seduction is the art of manipulating someone into wanting and accepting as their own an idea, feeling, or state that came from your imagination.
I see major implications for this in classical Doc Love, AD, Pook DJing and I draw an obvious connection to the wham, bam, thank youness ever so present in "Fast Seduction" and "Speed Seduction."
Deliberate manipulation, trying to get a woman to want to have sex with you, has several layers. You can argue that how you dress and present yourself is just as important as the language that you use. So, if Allen okays an NLP/ASFish/SS forum, why not devote an entire forum to picking out the right tie to wear on a first date?
Well, look at it this way: nobody claims controversy over the fact that men dress to impress. Every time one of us posts about "seduction," they (and THEY know who they are) come out of the woodwork with the same old arguments their predecessors hurled at us, and we're still giving the same response. Some valuable contributors to this board have bashed NLP or labeled it as "usless for long term relationships," and even though I personally disagree with their point of view, I really like to know why they feel that way.
I could care less about what Mr. Womanizer or whatever his name thinks.
Let's all agree that "seduction" is a little different from the rest of the stuff on this board. It's an art and a science unto itself and entirely optional, many DJs do fine without it. However it is valuable for others and deserves a place in our discussion without insighting a flame war at every mear mention of it.
Lastly, I don't particularly like the idea of some newbie reading up on Ross Jeffries and thinking that his techniques, or another "seduction" merchant's techniques are ALL that he needs to succeed with women. By discussing "seduction" in the main forum, we may inadvertantly be giving away this idea... Note that I'm not saying that it is bad for newbies to try their hand on it as long as they incorporate the more important elements of being a Don into their game.
My preference is that we create a forum for the discussion of speed seduction, fast seduction, and the like... these all pit NLP at the center of their dogma, so why not call it a NLP Discussion? We'll keep it open to any member who is interested in the topic, whether or not they intend on using it to seduce chicks at bars or to get better results dating or in their current LTRs.
I think we have some great ideas floating around this thread. If we put them together we may end up with another side forum as strong and attractive as Heatlh & Fitness
Maybe I'm a bit optimistic!
But Serious.
DWK
[This message has been edited by Don-Wan Kenobi (edited 10-29-2002).]
