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Lol, thanks Fug. You actually have a great frame for bodybuilding...better than I. Your shoulders are crazy wide, fairly narrow waist, and not too tall.

And AAAgent, I think most guys want a body like you describe. Seems to be the flavor of the moment. Super lean and athletic without too much mass. I was saying in another thread that I get significantly less attention now based on my physique than I used to. I think I was more appealing to girls when I was 205-ish with kinda big arms.
 

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Colossus said:
Lol, thanks Fug. You actually have a great frame for bodybuilding...better than I. Your shoulders are crazy wide, fairly narrow waist, and not too tall.
Thanx... however, the wide clavicle structure is actually pretty detrimental for scapular stability and makes me more prone to rotator cuff/shoulder stability issues. This is a huge reason I always have problems w/ bench and military press. I guess we each have to pick our poison based on our own unique characteristics.

I still think you should consider cutting to 215-220 and single digit bf% for a summer JUST to see how much top shelf pu$$y you could score! :D In my experience girls love the jacked and lean look so you'd be fending off beetches w/ a cattle prod!

AAAgent, you're probably looking to replicate Tyler Durden's physique in Fight Club. The training modalities to get that look are probably a little bit different that what a lot of us on the H and F forum do. Looking like that means you'll have to pay a lot of attention to your diet while training w/ high intensity.
 

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i plan on bulking up first then cutting down and similar to tyler durdens build. going for power first, then strength and endurance. Hoping to keep my physique nice all the way throughout.

being a vegetarian there isn't much good tasting food for me and my diet is pretty bad. I really can't stand eating food without much taste/sauce :(. I've bettered my diet a tiny bit by eating less pizza, friend foods and eating chipotle for lunch haha. I may have to step it up and get a better diet cuz even though i have a six pack(barely visible) i have tiny love handles i can't get rid of.

you look pretty damn aesthetic though fugly. i'll upload a pic once i can find a charger for my cam.
 

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AAAgent said:
i plan on bulking up first then cutting down and similar to tyler durdens build. going for power first, then strength and endurance. Hoping to keep my physique nice all the way throughout.

being a vegetarian there isn't much good tasting food for me and my diet is pretty bad. I really can't stand eating food without much taste/sauce :(. I've bettered my diet a tiny bit by eating less pizza, friend foods and eating chipotle for lunch haha. I may have to step it up and get a better diet cuz even though i have a six pack(barely visible) i have tiny love handles i can't get rid of.

you look pretty damn aesthetic though fugly. i'll upload a pic once i can find a charger for my cam.
Always remember that diet is by far the most important factor in physical development. Focus on your diet and the gains will come.

Haha, I don't look like that anymore... remember I'm around 25 lbs heavier and w/ 4% more bodyfat now. I hate having zero abdominal definition :-(
 

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Finished week 12. Post WO weight = 191.

Still in the process of getting a handle on the new work out. Tons of volume...

My current program has no heavy days... I'll probably lift heavy 1-2x per month just so I don't loose that skill set.

I'm getting to the point now where large scrubs are actually getting kinda tight. X-large are fitting a lot more comfortably... I definitely like being bigger, however, don't dig the increased body fat and crappier conditioning.
 

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Fuglydude said:
Always remember that diet is by far the most important factor in physical development. Focus on your diet and the gains will come.

Haha, I don't look like that anymore... remember I'm around 25 lbs heavier and w/ 4% more bodyfat now. I hate having zero abdominal definition :-(
I guess this must be done. I've been able to stay in shape my whole life while eating crap that tasted delicious. I've never cooked good healthy food before. Is it possible? If so, do you have any suggestions for a few vegetarian dishes? I don't eat seafood or any meat but eat eggs, tofu, and cheese. I have my stomach muscles that should define a 6 pack but i can't seem to get the fat ontop of my stomach out. Hopefully dieting will get this done.
 

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I have my stomach muscles that should define a 6 pack but i can't seem to get the fat ontop of my stomach out. Hopefully dieting will get this done.
Everyone has a six pack. It's just a matter of making it visible by not having that layer of fat covering it up. I heard a phrase which is very true regarding six packs. "Six packs are made in the kitchen". It's all in your diet. Just work on cleaning up your diet. Eat lots of lean protein, limit your carbs (no simple carbs, stick to complex carbs), limit fat. Also, do some sort of cardio 3x a week.

I'm not looking forward to cutting this spring. It's such a mind f*ck for me.
 

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I'm getting to the point now where large scrubs are actually getting kinda tight. X-large are fitting a lot more comfortably... I definitely like being bigger, however, don't dig the increased body fat and crappier conditioning.
Welcome to my world, lol.

Being big and strong is fun, but it does have its drawbacks, namely the crappier conditioning and extra fat. Also when you get up there towards 250 your body is like a freaking furnace, especially if youre running lots of test. I can be outside in 30-40 degree weather in a t-shirt, at least for 10-15 minutes. Makes air travel miserable though. Big guy, small seat, sweating his balls off :nervous:

Also, my fat as$ has graduated to size 40 pants, because of my glutes and legs. So finding nice-fitting clothes is tougher too because your proportions are so different from normal folks. At your weight your probably still fine for that but just something to be aware of!
 

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fugly, i see from your past pictures you got sick abs. how did u get them to be large, cut and defined?

i've had a six pack in the past when i was constantly swimming but my muscles weren't bulging out. Now i have the six pack definition which shows but its covered by my stomach fat/love handles. i'm not fat but its just this extra fat/meat i can't burn off.

I haven't hit the abs/cardio hard yet since i'm trying to bulk up and get more powerful.

Any recommendations for good ab workouts? I will start HIIT training and more cardio in february.
 

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AAAgent said:
fugly, i see from your past pictures you got sick abs. how did u get them to be large, cut and defined?

i've had a six pack in the past when i was constantly swimming but my muscles weren't bulging out. Now i have the six pack definition which shows but its covered by my stomach fat/love handles. i'm not fat but its just this extra fat/meat i can't burn off.

I haven't hit the abs/cardio hard yet since i'm trying to bulk up and get more powerful.

Any recommendations for good ab workouts? I will start HIIT training and more cardio in february.
Believe it or not my abs are actually one of my weakest muscle groups... my strengths are upper back, delts and glutes... abs, arms, quads/calves are weak.

The key to great abdominal definition, I believe is a great diet and good conditioning. I think its counterproductive to try and have abs while bulking. Aim to either be cut/lean or to bulk... but not both. Trust me on this... I found this out the hard way while I was dancing. Furthermore, my trainer who's an IFBB pro w/ over 20 years experience competing also echoes my sentiments.

Gotta eat clean, do a variety of cardio and train abs to get good abs. My diet when I was dancing was mostly lean protein sources, fruit, w/ some veges. Very little processed foods and starches and dairy were consumed. For my ab routine I usually did a circuit at the start of every work out. I think the circuit was something like this:

- Hanging leg raise super-setted w/ reverse crunch. (3 sets)
- 1-2 minute bridge w/ partial crunch. (2-3 sets)

Obviously I'd vary this up and I'd do olympic/powerlifting moves to further work abs, but this was the core of my ab routine.

Again, don't try and be lean when you're trying to bulk. Don't let your bodyfat spiral outta control, but also don't try to stay in the single digit range. Remember diet is the most important thing when it comes to revealing abs. And remember that hard vascular look is a product of chemical assistance. For me to duplicate that look when I was off cycle would mean having a very strict diet/conditioning regimen.

Also don't confuse strength/power with size. I've been lucky enough to be around my fair share of topline athletes: world class sprinters and bobsledders, and national level powerlifters. Pound-for-pound some of the strongest guys you'll ever see are small 150-lb lean asian guys who are insanely strong. I've also met huge bodybuilders who are strong by everyday standards but are actually quite weak when compared to athletes in the strength world that are of similar weight. Strength/power output is a function of neuromuscular efficiency, muscle size, lifting technique, etc... Size is simply a function on how big your muscles are. Genetics, diet and appropriate training modality are what determines muscle size.
 

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Wk 13-ish... My weight actually dropped a bit. AM weight sitting around 187-188. Im' actually starting to get more abdominal definition... which basically tells me that I'm doing a poor job of taking in enough calories. I haven't been disciplined with my diet the last week or so as I have been a little bit ill and just kinda "burning out" on the bulking diet... just so much boring ass food...

Definitely like being light though. We've had some crazy snowfalls the last couple of days... probably in the range of 8-10 inches... much more than that with drifting. I have a corner lot, so shoveling the entire driveway and curb can be a biatch. When I was in the 190s my lower back would be really sore and I'd have to take frequent breaks. Being in the high 180s, I was able to do the whole thing w/o taking a break and minimal lower back discomfort.

I just gotta tighten things up in the coming weeks and pack on as much meat as I can...
 

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I hear you on the bulk-up diet. I'm probably the worst when it comes to discipline with the constant eating. I generally just eat when I'm hungry, and let the gear carry my weight up a little bit, lol.
I have done it in the past however and it's like a part-time job. You get sick of eating constantly...I think it wears you out because your digestive system never gets to really rest.
 

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I hear you on the bulk-up diet. I'm probably the worst when it comes to discipline with the constant eating. I generally just eat when I'm hungry, and let the gear carry my weight up a little bit, lol.
I have done it in the past however and it's like a part-time job. You get sick of eating constantly...I think it wears you out because your digestive system never gets to really rest.
Ya... its been especially hard lately as work has been friggin busy. Lotsa active resuscitations and transports... Plus I usually get stuck with a code pager, so its like being chained to the unit for 12 hours. Many days I'll only get 1-2 breaks during a 12 hour shift. I hope your clinicals aren't as bad!

And since you brought it up, eating that much makes you take way too many dumps everyday! It sucks! You're lucky you can maintain that much mass without having be eat all the friggin time!
 

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Update: AM weight is back in the 188-189 range. Definitely feel a lot more well conditioned now than before. We've been getting buried in snow here... Many snow banks here are taller than me! (I'm 5'8"), and I'm still able to shovel a full corner lot and drive way with out taking too many breaks. Starting to see more abdominal definition and overall just feel more "normal".

Not sure if I'll be able to hit the 200 lb mark that I was aiming for. I may think about competing in the lightweight division (limit is 156 lbs), but I'll have to talk to my trainers about it first.
 

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Week 15. Just got tested/weighed today.

Weighed in at 193 on the "official scale" w/ bf% of 11.7 (we'll round it up to 12) as measured by caliper testing. The skin fold on my quad was so tight it took both my trainers (an IFBB pro and his wife) to try and pinch enough fat to try and get a measurement! My abs on the other hand... oh boi.. haha.. good 31 mm caliper measurement! My chest was around 5 mm and my quad was like 2. So I guess I know where my fat accumulates!

Trainers seemed happy with my progress considering I was 167 at 10-11% when I started. Put on around 25 lbs with only a 1% increase in bodyfat. I talked to them about staying in this weight range and they said they were ok with it.

Overall, just gotta keep plugging away. My goal for the next few weeks is to really stick to my diet a lot better.
 

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That's a fantastic achievement! You must look huge at that weight and being so lean. I'm a bit lighter (85kg, 188lb) but I think I'm probably about 16~17% BF.

I'd love to be 11~12%! I'm losing some BF atm but it's going in other areas first, leaving my "love handles" more obvious than usual. :/ Legs in general - quads in particular - are very lean, but around the gut is still yuck.

Are you still chemically enhanced or is it just pure diet & training for now?
 

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That's a fantastic achievement! You must look huge at that weight and being so lean. I'm a bit lighter (85kg, 188lb) but I think I'm probably about 16~17% BF.

I'd love to be 11~12%! I'm losing some BF atm but it's going in other areas first, leaving my "love handles" more obvious than usual. :/ Legs in general - quads in particular - are very lean, but around the gut is still yuck.

Are you still chemically enhanced or is it just pure diet & training for now?
Nah man, I'm still enhanced. Obviously I'm cycling, etc, but I'll be on for another 4-5 weeks. I know I look bigger, but nothing crazy. My arms, legs are a bit bigger and I know my shoulders are a tiny bit wider, and I'm just thicker overall, but nothing too crazy. Funny thing is I still feel small. 12% actually isn't lean when you've been 8-9% in the past. I can maintain around 10% off cycle pretty easily. Its just getting into the single digits that can get tough.

I'm gonna be competing in an untested federation so trying to compete aux naturale is a bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight, especially for something like bodybuilding. My lean body mass (LBM) was around 150 when I started. Its now around 170. That's around 20 lbs of LBM increase in 15 weeks. I don't think I could have done that naturally even if all I did was train and eat and didn't work, have a life etc.

With my job situation it can be tiring/taxing to eat/train appropriately. Most of the time I'm pretty good, but when you're in the middle of an active resuscitation you can't be like... ya, I gotta go eat my meal 5, see y'all in around 15 minutes. Plus working 50+ hours a week and doing 12 hour shifts can make it tough to crank out the high volume work outs that my program calls for. You add in being on call sometimes, and constantly changing from nights to days and it can actually get kinda challenging at times. I totally envy you guys with 8-5 desk jobs sometimes.

I'm gonna be moving to the states in another 2.5 years or so, and I think I'll continue to use til then. Canada has much more relaxed laws than the US, and I have a fair number of connections here. I'll probably end up competing in 2-3 shows in the next 2.5 years and will think about transitioning to a natural federation down there once I'm clean... Possibly see if I can cut it in fitness modeling rather than bodybuilding as it is less taxing.

If you're training for strength it'll be tough to lose fat and still stay strong. I know you can probably get down to 12% and maintain most of your lifts, but getting below 10% and still lifting heavy can be tough. Unfortunately fat comes off the abs last for most guys. I have a few buddies who always have 6 packs but they're few and far between. I'd love to be single digits bodyfat again, but at this point my primary goal coming off of cycle is gonna be hanging onto muscle mass.
 

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With that crazy life of yours, you do need some magic! I compete with the IPF, no magic for me. I'm not against it in principle though, just prefer to push my natural limit (which I'm far from, still).

I'd be happy if I can get under 14% and stay there. Under 12% and I'll be laughing! I can cut the fat in the first half of a strength cycle when the big lifts are still light (@ higher reps). I want to be as lean as possible for my weight class (i.e 83kg 10% BF is more useful muscles and stronger than 83kg 16%BF).

When do the 6 packs appear? Isn't that below 12%?
 

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I totally wish I had waited longer to use and gotten closer to my natural limit. Unfortunately, anabolics are very seductive and its tough to train naturally after you've experience how powerful they are. I have a new respect for them now after dieting and getting gains even when I have failed to stick to my diet. I don't think I'd be using them if I wasn't competing or in a position to be making money off my build. There's nothing fun about sticking an inch of steel into your leg or shoulder and injecting oil into it, believe me.

6 pack appears at different body comp for different people. I store most of my fat around my gut. Therefore, I'd probably need to get around 8-9% before I could see abs. Other factors such as tendency to retain fluid and size of abdominal muscles also come into play. Overall, if you're in the single digits you'll probably have something close to a 6 pack.

I wish I could have competed in powerlifting or olympic lifting, and I may at some point in the future, but my somatotype is more suited for aesthetics rather than chucking heavy weights around. Plus my bench is super weak compared to my deads/squats and that would make my totals suck! I have a lot of respect for you guys who train naturally and still make great progress and compete.
 
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