Competing with Frat Boys

[FightinTiger]

I am a college boy. I, however, am not in a fraternity. Nothing against frat guys, I have many friends who are in frats, I just don't want to be in one.

Anyway, the problem I have is this: I am 20 years old, which completely eliminates me from the bar scene for another year. And, not being in a frat, I don't go to frat parties.

Of course, that's where all the girls go. I have asked a few girls out on different occasions on friday or saturday nights, and most of the time, they already have plans. These plans usually entail going to frat parties. I mean, I can understand from their point of view. Why go out with one guy who CAN'T buy me beer when I can go out with 80 guys who can?

Therein lies the problem. My only chance is using the skills I have honed in life experiences and from this great site. But, I do believe even the greatest DJ would have a difficult time competing against all the frats on campus for a girl's time. Especially if the Man says he can't buy a girl a drink for another year.

So, I've given up Friday and Saturday nights as options, at least for the first couple dates. I've tried Sunday nights and met with slightly better success. But, alas, Sunday night means studying, and often these girls are too busy. And, many times I'M too busy as well, for the same reason.

So, anybody got any suggestions for date times? I've had success on lunch dates, but that's usually about as far as things go. Taking her to dinner/movie/bowling or whatever is usually hard because of class or whatever else is going on during the day. I would appreciate your help.

Note: I do NOT want the classic "Well, maybe she's not interested" response. Give me some REAL advice. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. Even if she IS interested, I don't think she will ditch the crazy drunken toga party she's been waiting for all week JUST to go on a date with a guy she met last week. Hell, I wouldn't! Especially if I was an HB10. I'm trying to clear up a logistics problem, basically.

And no, I'm not going to get a fake ID. I have better things to spend my money on. Plus, I'm gonna turn 21 in 9 months. So why bother?




EDIT: Also, this is not a question of WHERE to meet girls. This is a question of when and where to take girls after I've already MET them, gotten their number, etc.

Yes, I can go to house parties to MEET girls. I do this. But I'm not going to take them to one for a date. At least not the first couple of dates.

 

[Phyzzle]

This may sound wierd, but I never ask a girl out for a weekend date, for the 1st 3 dates. She's gotta prove herself, just a little, before she gets that precious time.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

Don't even take the girls who go to frat parties seriously. They're usually freshmen chicks who are stoked to get away from their parents and think it's great to get really wasted and act like sluts.

There are plenty of house parties you could go to. OR, find the chicks who are not into partying Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and would rather have some time out, away from a hundred drunk dudes and cheap keg beer.

...Yeah, sure (still searching).

 

[FightinTiger]

Hmm, dates during the week end up with much the same success rate as sunday night dates. The classic "I have so much to do" excuse comes up. Also I have a lot to do. But, I guess there's really no other option, is there? Any suggestions on how to IMPROVE my success rate on the weekdays?

 

[FightinTiger]

Don't even take the girls who go to frat parties seriously. They're usually freshmen chicks who are stoked to get away from their parents and think it's great to get really wasted and act like sluts.

There are plenty of house parties you could go to. OR, find the chicks who are not into partying Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and would rather have some time out, away from a hundred drunk dudes and cheap keg beer.

...Yeah, sure (still searching).

*sighs* If only I had a "drunken slut" radar. Alas, whenever I meet these girls, even the drunken sluts act like classy girls during the day. So, it's really hit or miss.

Also, I'm in college.... What's wrong with a few drunken sluts every now and then, anyway? The problem is getting them drunk with ME instead of the brothers of Kappa Kappa Kappa.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

*sighs* If only I had a "drunken slut" radar. Alas, whenever I meet these girls, even the drunken sluts act like classy girls during the day. So, it's really hit or miss.

Also, I'm in college.... What's wrong with a few drunken sluts every now and then, anyway? The problem is getting them drunk with ME instead of the brothers of Kappa Kappa Kappa.

To each his own. F*cking some drunk chick doesn't turn me on. First, it feels like I'm taking advantage of her. Second, she seems really dirty to me when she gets wasted, acts totally incoherent, and is willing to let any schlong inside her.

You have to judge a girl's character. Hence going out with her on a date. If she is so immature that she can't go on an exclusive date and has to party 24/7, why bother?

I dated a chick who was a party animal before. Lasted about two weeks.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

*sighs* If only I had a "drunken slut" radar. Alas, whenever I meet these girls, even the drunken sluts act like classy girls during the day. So, it's really hit or miss.

Also, I'm in college.... What's wrong with a few drunken sluts every now and then, anyway? The problem is getting them drunk with ME instead of the brothers of Kappa Kappa Kappa.

And I'm going to be honest with you, A LOT of the girls who are new to college, i.e., sophmores and freshmen, are NOT dating material.

They're so immature and flaky. That's why I go for OLDER girls. I'm 19, but I like to go for girls who are 21 or OVER. They're usually more mature and not so caught up in the drunken fiasco.

 

[FightinTiger]

And I'm going to be honest with you, A LOT of the girls who are new to college, i.e., sophmores and freshmen, are NOT dating material.

They're so immature and flaky. That's why I go for OLDER girls. I'm 19, but I like to go for girls who are 21 or OVER. They're usually more mature and not so caught up in the drunken fiasco.

I agree. I've had most of my success with older girls, actually. However, this still doesn't answer my original question. I've met girls of good quality that still go to frat parties. OR maybe it's not a frat party. Maybe it's a house party. Either way, these large gatherings of people are keeping me from getting her ALONE.

And, yes, I like girls that party. NOT drunken sluts. Mature girls that like to have fun. Because that shows that they're social. And I like social girls.

 

[arlanda]

But, I do believe even the greatest DJ would have a difficult time competing against all the frats on campus for a girl's time.

Why on earth would you "compete" for a girl's time? If she doesn't want to go on a date with you when you ask like a normal person why bother? Why make it more difficult for you by going for low-interest girls? (sorry but if a girl thinks some drink fest is more important than me then I'm not interested anymore - but that's just me :rock: )

 

[WORKEROUTER]

I'm not saying you can't meet chicks at parties. Of course you can.

You have to differentiate the ones who are party ANIMALS vs. occasional partiers.

In terms of getting them alone, that should be the easy part.

Find ONE chick at the party and focus on her. DJ her for the night. Flirt with her, dance with her, sit down and talk, and then get her number. If you alredy didn't, you should have made out with her. Get her number and call her a couple days later to set up the date.

If she flakes, next her.

 

[zerocelcius]

Meet girls with your interests. Trust Me I Know How Tight your schedule is, but there has to be some interests you allow yourself to join in on or make time for. Go for girls in those areas.

Other than that you will have to play the game. That game is Go to the parties and hook up there. Hell you don't have sex at the parties anyway so you will get them alone eventually.

DO you live in the Dorm? DO you know anybody outside the Dorms that would throw a house party? If so start throwing them yourself. Once you get a network they will happen on their own...almost

 

[syed]

Am I missing something here?

Why can't you just go with them to the frat parties?

Here's how it usually goes for me in college:

Meet a girl at a party. Make out. Meet her friends and make as good an impression as possible on them. Spend the rest of the night with her and maybe her friends (usually not anything serious, just talking & making out...learning about her, seeing what she's like, showing her what I'm like). Get her #, tell her I'll call her the next day. Part ways.

Call her either the next day or the day after. Talk to her for a couple of minutes, just to remind her of the calibre of guy I am...you know, get her laughing, be somewhat flirtatious. See what she's up to during the week. If at all possible, meet her during the week...say, after classes or something. Something fun...challenge her to a game of ping pong or something. If you've made a good impression they will usually be down. If she wants to bring a friend, no sweat...just another opportunity to get one of her friends vouching for you.

On the date, just continue where you left off before. Be a great catch, and keep evaluating her. See what kind of quality girl you got here. If it goes well, give her a kiss and make plans for the weekend. She will still probably want to party with ehr friends, but will want you to come with. That's great. Go out with them, have a good time, keep making good impressions on the friends, and you're golden. From here on you should be able to do whatever you want.

Hope that helps...peace.

 

[FightinTiger]

Yes, you are

Why can't you just go with them to the frat parties?

See, that's the problem. Frats = middle school cliques. They're very selective about who they let in. Trust me I've tried. I dunno how it was at your school, but the frats here are gay (one of the reasons why I didn't join one). If you're a girl, you can get in no problem. If you're a guy, well, you won't. Not unless pigs are flying overhead or you know someone who's REALLY high up in the frat. Like, maybe, the president......... of the United States..... maybe. And I don't know anyone that high. So, basically, no frat parties for me.

Again, ya'll are missing the point of my question. Ya'll think I'm asking how to meet girls. NO! I've got that covered. I go to house parties, meet girls in class, etc. Then I get their phone numbers.

The problem is, I have TONS of phone numbers in my cell phone. I've met plenty of girls, but I can't get any DATES with them! They're all too busy!

YES, I realize SOME of them are flakes and should be ignored. But not ALL of them. I have about 10 numbers that I can call as we speak, BUT....... I might find ONE that I can hang out with this weekend. ONE out of TEN...... maybe! Actually, depending on the weekend.... 0 out of ten, cause most are sorority girls. And sorority girls are always busy on the weekends. Either way, those odds suck!

And I know not ALL 9 of the others are flakes. About half of those 9 are just busy, because fridays and saturdays are busy. They have good social lives, and that is part of what makes them desirable to me.

So, please, don't give me the "A girl of QUALITY would go out with you" schpiel. I know this. But I'm gonna be proactive about this. I'm gonna FIND the girl of quality and DATE HER. I'm not gonna sit around, nexting every girl I talk to merely because she's going to frat parties.

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****Let's simplify this and make a scenario here. Let's say I meet a girl at a party. I do my whole DJ thing. We talk. She seems intelligent. She seems to like me. We make out. Blah blah blah. Say goodbye for the night.

However! This girl is in a sorority! Which means, she goes to frat parties. Because she's in a sorority, AND she's an HB10, she already has plans for this weekend and EVERY weekend until the end of time! My only alternative is find other times to go out with her.

Okay, NOW I've taken her to lunch. We had fun, maybe kissed some more, blah, blah. I want to see her again, but I can't keep making lunch dates, and I can't go to frat parties with her on the weekends. But she likes me, and I think this can go somewhere. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

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I'm sorry about all that, but it's very frustrating when people completely misunderstand what you're asking multiple times.

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And, if anyone here tries to generalize all sorority girls as party *****s, I will have to ask you to step outside! Because my MOTHER was in a sorority!
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Thanks for your time

 

[WORKEROUTER]

See, that's the problem. Frats = middle school cliques. They're very selective about who they let in. Trust me I've tried. I dunno how it was at your school, but the frats here are gay (one of the reasons why I didn't join one). If you're a girl, you can get in no problem. If you're a guy, well, you won't. Not unless pigs are flying overhead or you know someone who's REALLY high up in the frat. Like, maybe, the president......... of the United States..... maybe. And I don't know anyone that high. So, basically, no frat parties for me.

Again, ya'll are missing the point of my question. Ya'll think I'm asking how to meet girls. NO! I've got that covered. I go to house parties, meet girls in class, etc. Then I get their phone numbers.

The problem is, I have TONS of phone numbers in my cell phone. I've met plenty of girls, but I can't get any DATES with them! They're all too busy!

YES, I realize SOME of them are flakes and should be ignored. But not ALL of them. I have about 10 numbers that I can call as we speak, BUT....... I might find ONE that I can hang out with this weekend. ONE out of TEN...... maybe! Actually, depending on the weekend.... 0 out of ten, cause most are sorority girls. And sorority girls are always busy on the weekends. Either way, those odds suck!

And I know not ALL 9 of the others are flakes. About half of those 9 are just busy, because fridays and saturdays are busy. They have good social lives, and that is part of what makes them desirable to me.

So, please, don't give me the "A girl of QUALITY would go out with you" schpiel. I know this. But I'm gonna be proactive about this. I'm gonna FIND the girl of quality and DATE HER. I'm not gonna sit around, nexting every girl I talk to merely because she's going to frat parties.

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****Let's simplify this and make a scenario here. Let's say I meet a girl at a party. I do my whole DJ thing. We talk. She seems intelligent. She seems to like me. We make out. Blah blah blah. Say goodbye for the night.

However! This girl is in a sorority! Which means, she goes to frat parties. Because she's in a sorority, AND she's an HB10, she already has plans for this weekend and EVERY weekend until the end of time! My only alternative is find other times to go out with her.

Okay, NOW I've taken her to lunch. We had fun, maybe kissed some more, blah, blah. I want to see her again, but I can't keep making lunch dates, and I can't go to frat parties with her on the weekends. But she likes me, and I think this can go somewhere. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

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I'm sorry about all that, but it's very frustrating when people completely misunderstand what you're asking multiple times.

[RANT]
And, if anyone here tries to generalize all sorority girls as party *****s, I will have to ask you to step outside! Because my MOTHER was in a sorority!
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Thanks for your time

First off, stop *****ing so much.

You claim that you have so many numbers and yet can't get a date. I'm going to believe you.

Scenario A is that you're not dominating her enough while first contact and hence she sees you as another friend. You haven't built the attraction enough for her to set aside her PERSONAL time for JUST YOU. Think about it. College chicks have TONS to do when it comes to hanging out. They can party, they can hang out with friends, etc. You better have already ATTRACTED her by the time you got the number or else she'll blow you off because her IL isn't high enough.

Now if you went for older chicks who are more desperate, it's OKAY to form the ATTRACTION during the date. This is a different game. Meaning, get your game together and dominate that sh*t immediately.

Scenario B is that you're going after the WRONG CHICKS for YOUR PURPOSE. You keep b*tching about us saying that, but it MIGHT BE TRUE, so stop it. Why do I think this way? Because you're example rested on a SORORITY GIRL. Listen, I've partied a bit at frats and worked at a sorority, and THESE *****ES ARE NOT WHO YOU WANT TO APPROACH.

They're so caught up in the greek system that they SELDOM ever date guys outside, and if they are, they get harassed from other greek members! Why compete with all that immature BULLSH*T!?!?

Plus, sorority chicks are ALWAYS getting invites from frats for parties, gatherings, dances, dinners, etc. etc. etc. Of course she doesn't have time for your mediocre "dates." Unless of course you're a badass like me who fights and stunts motorcycles. No wait, even a badass like me gets shunned by sorority hoes.

Another reason NOT to go for sorority chicks is that they're D*ck infested by whole frats. Seriously, the debauchery that goes on is simply unbelievable. Are all of them sluts? NO. But MOST ARE.

You cling to this whole notion that sorority chicks are quality chicks. I already walked outside, went into a frat, and actually socialized with the whole circle. You stopped once you walked outside. Listen, MOST SORORITY CHICKS ARE DIRTY, period. And if they're NOT dirty, they're in an environment where MOST OF THEIR PEERS are.

How do I know? Because I worked at one of my uni's hottest sororities for a couple months. Listen to a few of their conversations OFF THE STREET and you'll see what I'm talking about. Who they s*cked off, who took it in the ass, who got drunk and got reemed by several dudes at once, etc.

I don't care if your mommy was in a sorority. Many of these broads will go on to have kids and become mothers. Doesn't make them angels. Also doesn't mean your mommy was an angel at one point either, sorry to break it to you buddy.

Summing it up:

The chicks ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOU ENOUGH, PERIOD. You don't want to hear that, as if there's a magic reason here. Listen, if you were brad pitt and walked up to that HB 10 sorority broad, she'd ditch her loser frat f*ck toga parties and be s*cking you off that night. But you're just an undergrad chump with no true redeeming qualities. Basically, a NO-NAME, an average d*ck. Nothing to SPARK the IL really, and hence no reason to hang out with you. Find chicks who are on the SAME WAVELENGTH WITH YOU, i.e., broads who are more desperate for a date.

You say you wana know where to take these broads, and my question is, what broads? You can't even get the date!!!

Where to take them is easy..anywhere to get your f*cking hands on them!!!

Parks, waterfronts, downtown, pool hall (if you're good. if not don't try you'll look like a jackass when she beats you believe me in know), strip clubs (ya, i did this once), hookah bars, golfing ranges, bowling, etc. etc. etc.

Face the reality here buddy and believe me, you'll find what you're looking for.

SIDE NOTE. you sound really attracted to sorority hoes, but a chump who can't get in the frat parties!!! haha!! i was there once too!
listen, it's not that hard to get into the parties. get a friend in a couple of different frats. they can put you on the invite list and you're in. you don't need to know the president of the united states. stop exaggerating. i've partied in numerous frats. in fact im partying in my buddy's frat this halloween. i'll be sure to tell you how d*Ck infested the chicks were (when im f*cking their asses). another way is to RUSH in the summer/spring. say you want in. they treat you like a f*cking king, throw house b*Tches at you, and you can get a taste of these broads. oh and don't make out with them. that's disgusting. she was probably getting multiple penises inserted into her mouth the night before!

 

[Instinctive]

First of all, your limiting beliefs are killing you. Get rid of them. Secondly, a date isnt like signing some kind of contract. A date can be a drink, a 30 min walk, anything. Meet girls during the week, just ask as many as you want. Girls like attention, within no time you'll find that you've got a date on every night of the week. Make friends with people who have parties or can get you in. Failing that, have your own ones. Even if it's just a few of your mates, get them to bring a girl and one of her friends. Easy!