Cold Approaches don't work.

[Glycerine2]

Here's why.

First of all... How many hot girls do you see walking around (in malls for example)... alone? Not many, if any. They're either with their boyfriends or girlfriends.

Secondly - If you were a hot girl, you wouldn't give your number out to some random douchebag in a mall, even if he was good looking. Think about it. You'd rather give it to some guy who has already astablished a personality with you, or at least with someone you've known for more than half a minute.

Now I'm not saying they never work, just not as much as most people think. If you are very good looking and approach a HB 9, she's probably gonna think "Gee, he probably has a girlfriend, he probably has approached about 10 other girls today, and probably is going to approach that one who walked right past us."

And to top it off, how many LTR have formed from cold approaches? Hardly any folks.

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

whatever you say...newbiezzi

 

[Glycerine2]

Nothing to combat my facts and findings?

Didn't think so.

 

[The Nice Guy is Gone]

Don't we have like, two or three other threads that say exactly the same thing?

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by The Nice Guy is Gone
Don't we have like, two or three other threads that say exactly the same thing?

yes, we do...

...and Glycerine2 man, didn't 007 own you on this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83551

where you said you can get hb9.5s but then you don't know why your buddies are getting more play than you

Originally posted by Glycerine2
And to top it off, how many LTR have formed from cold approaches? Hardly any folks.

yeah, 007 has...he's my hero :cheer:

 

[B-Lemond]

for you!

 

[Vibe]

Originally posted by Glycerine2
Now I'm not saying they never work, just not as much as most people think. If you are very good looking and approach a HB 9, she's probably gonna think "Gee, he probably has a girlfriend, he probably has approached about 10 other girls today, and probably is going to approach that one who walked right past us."

And to top it off, how many LTR have formed from cold approaches? Hardly any folks.

I can't tell what is more false. Your comments or your sense of confidence in your "facts."

Look, man. Most of the people on this forum have had success with cold approaches. In fact, I just E-mailed an HB10 cold approach who I have been gaming on for the last week or so. I am meeting with her on Wednesday and I already have her eating out of my hand. This is merely one example.

What I think is that you are letting your own insecurities get in the way of making progress. Those last three things you said a girl is probably thinking sound like excuses to me. They are the kinds of excuses we all come up with when we let our fear get in the way of approaching. Don't bring that stuff in here. That is exactly the stuff you should be ridding yourself of. It will do you NO good.

Oh, and my best friend is just about to hit his second year of a relationship with a cold approach.

~Vibe~

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Actually, I doubt most people on here have been successful with TRUE cold approaches, which are always done in person with someone you have never seen before in your life, especially in situations that socializing isn't usually done. I think almost every guy is LEAST successful getting girls through cold approaches. Most girls guys get are in their classes, friends of their friends, involved in the same activity (work, clubs, etc.), or have some other way that they see each other often. Most guys don't get girls by walking up to one and macking on them. It's not that it can't be done, it;s just that most guys never work that hard, and some don't need to. For the average guy, cold approaches are very hard to pull off. First of all, it does seem unnatural, esp. when the guy makes in unnatural, and most girls are quick to judge based on the first words coming out of your mouth so you have less of a chance. In my opinion, your best bet, if you like doing cold approaches (or that's the only option you have) is to find places where the girls WANT to be approached, like parties, clubs, and even places at school.

 

[nishbuk]

Originally posted by Glycerine2
Nothing to combat my facts and findings?

Didn't think so.

The things you post are only true for you. You can't make generalizations that are purportedly applicable to every guy and every girl. I know for a fact there are many guys that can make the cold approach work. I also know for a fact that there are others who can't make it work.
I will say however, that I think that the method of cold approach for a DJ's goals (dating and relationship) leaves something to be desired. I believe the reason that this is so, is because of the fusion of early mASF and PUA routines into the DJ gamebook. However, the mASF and PUA methods are for a different goal. That is the goal of the lay. No more no less. mASF and PUA tricks are a way of manipulating and moving a woman's emotions so that she will have sex with you. They are used to raise only one aspect of interest, the "sexual" interest.
Currently I'm on a year long mission. I'm going to find the proper way to make the cold approach work for dating purposes, and not for PUA purposes. I truly believe that a couple of the tactics that we use for the cold approach, are not neccessarily best suited to creating relationships, but are rather more suited for creating only sexual partners (which is fine, if that's what you are looking for).

Well, I guess what I'm saying is that what doesn't work for you, may work for someone else. Everyone has their own style, and everyone has their own methods. So cold approaches don't work for you, that's okay. They can work for other people.

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

You have to use group theory in those cases. Learn the Mystery Method.

 

[CoOLBanana]

How many cold approaches have you done?
It takes at least 200 approaches before you can say it works or it doesn't.
just try it, it may fail first 30 times after that you can say what the **** you want and still getting numbers.
Cold approach is also a real good confidence booster.
well, I don't know how it works but it works.

so shut up and do 200 before you post again.

 

[RarelyGetAHairCut]

Originally posted by Glycerine2
Here's why.

First of all... How many hot girls do you see walking around (in malls for example)... alone? Not many, if any. They're either with their boyfriends or girlfriends.

I personally see hot girls walking around by themselves alot.

 

[BackToTheMack]

Hahahaha they dont work for you because your a tool.

How do you knwo ahrdly any LTRs have formed from cold approches do you know every single mle on earth in a LTR?

My last LTR was from a cold approch.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Glycerine2
Here's why.

First of all... How many hot girls do you see walking around (in malls for example)... alone? Not many, if any. They're either with their boyfriends or girlfriends.

It's a well known fact that HBs are seldom alone, especially in malls. They have both girlfriends and boyfriends that want to be in their presence, get use to it. Maybe you should learn how to approach women by engaging their friends instead of fearing the rejection from a group.

Secondly - If you were a hot girl, you wouldn't give your number out to some random douchebag in a mall, even if he was good looking. Think about it. You'd rather give it to some guy who has already established a personality with you, or at least with someone you've known for more than half a minute.

Of course not. That's why you need to gain rapport with her, to have her feel comfortable enough about you to give you her number. As long as you approach her as a random douchebag, guess how she will treat you? Stop making excuses and learn how to build rapport with a woman.

Now I'm not saying they never work, just not as much as most people think. ...

This is true. Most guys are clueless AFCs. As long as you are one, your chances will be slim; that's why you are here right? You want to stop being like "most guys."

And to top it off, how many LTR have formed from cold approaches? Hardly any folks.

Probably in your world. In the real world guys regularly start LTRs with women they at one time didn't know. They gained rapport, familiarity, comfort and attraction before starting their LTR. Do you expect to walk up to a woman/girl getting on an escalator and be a couple in a committed relationship when you get off???

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Originally posted by Glycerine2
Nothing to combat my facts and findings?

Didn't think so.

"Facts"? "Findings"?

More like theorizing and procrastination.

Don't flatter yourself.

 

[Lifeforce]

Cold approaches isn't worth the hassle. I don't see a single reason why people actually do them. Very low success rate overall.

 

[Plain & Simple]

You all are wrong, cold approaches do work, when done the right way, believe me, a few days ago i felt this way, and just yesterday i pulled one of the hottest spanish girls i have ever seen, with her friend in presence.
You just gotta do it right

 

[Lifeforce]

Yes they work... but the success rate is very low compared with meeting girls in other ways.

 

[Plain & Simple]

Originally posted by Lifeforce
Yes they work... but the success rate is very low compared with meeting girls in other ways.

Exacly, thats very true

 

[everywomanshero]

What's the big deal....

I'm regularly meeting guys off other forums to go cold approaching. It's not really rocket science. Malls aren't the best place to start. If someone cannot get these to work, you need to get with someone who's getting some results and find out what he is doing.

I think the guys here who bash cold approaches probably just haven't practiced enough, no offense. This is the method that makes the most women available to you, despite its drawbacks.

Try these places instead of malls for a month or two:

1) University Parties: You can find them by walking around near private housing. Some towns allow parties in these zones others do not. Good places I know of in the midwest: ISU & SIUC.

2) Clubs with a deck or busy bars with a beer garden: It's alot more comfortable to talk when the other person can actually hear you.

3) Jewelry Stores: Ask for advice on what looks good on you. I only do this is a couple of nice looking females are working. Use discretion. Good warm up for mall action or to get yourself ina cheery mood.

4) Busy food court or restaraunt: If there isn't any table space, you'll *have* to share with a hot chic. San Jose, CR is a good airport to try this if you speak Spanish as it doesn't have many tables to eat at.

5) Driving: Only works during the summer. When a hot chic has her window down at a stop light, go a head and talk to her. If you can't muster up the strength to talk to a girl who will be gone in 30 seconds, I seriously would consider getting a therapist to help overcome your fear of approaching women. It's worth whatever it costs you.

Roadblocks to success:
1) over-analyzing: Just go do-it. You'll feel better regardless of results.

2) Worrying about the outcome: The success is that you overcame your fears. If you try the venues above, success is already assured. Just do the numbers.

3) Not dressing properly: You really do have to dress nice, especially in larger cities. Yes, you'll succeed even in PJs eventually. Why hinder your results though. Hire a fashion coordnater if you're like me and have no sense of style. I'm seriously looking for one now.
I know my style needs improved, and yours probably does too.

4) Not trying new things: If you NEVER feel nervous anymore, I think it's time to try something new. The thrill should be enjoyable. If not, take a break or seek help to remove stumbling blocks that prevent you from enjoying this.