Cold Approach Success Rate

[Bigpapa]

Seeing how things work , I think that the main focus of people should be to cultivate good social circles

other things , like cold approaching or online dating is nice and good to have , but a guy should not put all his effort towards this , as it does not yields as good results as the loose social game does

 

[Sam_J]

I'm new to this forum but have been into redpill for a few months but what I don't get is , surely approaching all these women is just a waste of time that could be put towards bettering yourself to improve your smv ? It seems to be almost obsessive but change my mind

Women rarely approach men. So if you never approach women, it doesn't matter how good you look, you still probably won't get any action.

 

[forcerecon01]

Women rarely approach men. So if you never approach women, it doesn't matter how good you look, you still probably won't get any action.

Sounds like my life.

 

[9-3enthusiast]

......................... if my game is tight and I'm not spam approaching.

Yep! - I'm also not keen to go out 'blanket-bombing'.
Haven't done anything like that for decades.

As to the original thread question.....

I don't go out with the intention to 'approach' - Just go about my own daily business, and if I see a woman I'm attracted to, I'll look to see if I get any eye contact. Similarly while out socialising - I'll look for positive eye contact before I'll try to talk to someone new.
If she looks reasonably open, if I get a smile, a coy look... something positive... then I'll pass some innocuous comment - Anything... weather, current surroundings, whatever.

For example:- Woman I'm seeing now, I first saw after parking my car in town - she was headed for the ticket machine, I got some coy, submissive looking eye contact and made a comment about the parking situation at the time - and went from there...

If there seems to be some spark, THEN I'll try to carry on the conversation and only push for contact info if things go positively.
At what point would that count as an 'approach' ?
The eye contact? - the first comment? - carrying on the convo? - or trying for contact info?


If I was pushed to put numbers on it....
More than half I won't get eye contact.
If I get eye contact... maybe half of those will seem positive - and around 1 in 3 will go beyond the first comment - Maybe 1 out of 5 or more will end up with enough of a conversation to gauge whether she's single and/or open to asking for her number/etc.
And from that point, usually more than half will give some kind of contact info...
By the time I get a phone number or FB linkup, probably 1 in 3 go as far as a date - and once I get them on a date, I'm usually good to go.

I know these numbers seem very low compared to the first post estimation of 1 from hundreds... But as I've explained, I don't just randomly approach every woman I see - I look for IOIs, and only push forward if I'm reasonably confident things will go well.
Otherwise, I won't waste my time or hers, and will just move on....

 

[BigFoot04]

Women rarely approach men. So if you never approach women, it doesn't matter how good you look, you still probably won't get any action.

I understand that but approaching that many women is such a waste of time and sad if I'm honest.

 

[Sam_J]

I understand that but approaching that many women is such a waste of time and sad if I'm honest.

Why?

 

[Romanemp22]

Agree with Bigpapa, even if your speak is sh1t the girl will not care if she's attracted to you. She will follow whatever you say and do.

 

[Bigpapa]

Agree with Bigpapa, even if your speak is sh1t the girl will not care if she's attracted to you. She will follow whatever you say and do.

as long as you are not socially uncalibrated and give the vibes of a weirdo or an autistic , then you should be fine

from experience , if you are a bit lefty when doing approaches , women on average will like this , because she would rationalize that you have emotions because you do not do this often , so it means that you really truly like her since you approached her

usually my approach is like this :

- I say hi
- then I just smile a bit dumbly , while maintain eye contact with her , while making a medium pause
- tell her that she is cute and wanted to say hey
- the braking eye contact , and looking on the side
- then making eye contact again , while smiling

after she is pre hooked , I start showing characteristica like : leadership , experience , etc tc

from experience , women when they are approached , they know that you want to smash , what they do not know if you really like them or just want to get your penis wet in them

 

[Georgepithyou]

I'm new to this forum but have been into redpill for a few months but what I don't get is , surely approaching all these women is just a waste of time that could be put towards bettering yourself to improve your smv ? It seems to be almost obsessive but change my mind

Improving your SMV for what? The women aren't going to approach you no matter how Ripped and rich you are.

 

[characternote]

Improving your SMV for what? The women aren't going to approach you no matter how Ripped and rich you are.

they certainly will at night in bars etc!!!

 

[Bigpapa]

they certainly will at night in bars etc!!!

they have to get a bit tipsy In order to this , and mainly will happen by staring at you and smiling , but not actually opening you

 

[characternote]

they have to get a bit tipsy In order to this , and mainly will happen by staring at you and smiling , but not actually opening you

It's almost never happened to me (d'oh) but I have 2 really handsome wings. One of which i've mentioned many time in my old journal.

He's gets opened by girls a tonne. I'd estimate on average maybe 6 times per night. Typically they open him pretending to recognise him. ''Hi. Don't we know each other? Did you used to go to xxx?'' kind of thing. Other times (usually older, and not as hot girls) will open super direct. Rub his chest, or tell him he's hot or something like that. Sometimes these girls will almost play it off as a joke if he doesn't flirt back. As if to save face if that makes sense. Like they were being so forward as a 'joke' or whatever. And as you say, the other girls (very young hot ones) will usually just give ridiculous IOI's that he can't miss. Even I can't miss them when he gets them lol

Should also say I don't think i've ever seen him get opened in the day time, though (altohugh cashiers and stuff give ridiculous IOI's)

 

[Hollywood4life]

my first approach and close ... I got the girl. had shtt game then... so the ratio isn’t as bad as some guys want to think

I’ve had trouble closing girls(fear of rejection) but started up again this past month ,so I don’t have much experience closing ...

from what I’ve seen 1 out of every 10 or so is what you can best expect if you’re doing everything right

1 out of 20 or 5% is probably more of a realistic number that I can live with to keep fighting for

Btw- I don’t think any of us would be doing this if we thought 1 out of 150/200 is the ratio to expect like one guy said here lol, we’re not completely clueless man approaching woman for fukks sake

 

[Bigpapa]

my first approach and close ... I got the girl. had shtt game then... so the ratio isn’t as bad as some guys want to think

I’ve had trouble closing girls(fear of rejection) but started up again this past month ,so I don’t have much experience closing ...

from what I’ve seen 1 out of every 10 or so is what you can best expect if you’re doing everything right

1 out of 20 or 5% is probably more of a realistic number that I can live with to keep fighting for

Btw- I don’t think any of us would be doing this if we thought 1 out of 150/200 is the ratio to expect like one guy said here lol, we’re not completely clueless man approaching woman for fukks sake

what matters the most is whom you approach

if you are a 5 or a 6 , with poor or average fundamentals , and spam approach mainly 7+ women , for sure your ratio will be terrible

that is why it is important for guys to approach a bit downer their smv or at least at their same level , and then progressively trying to date up , as for sure a lot of things have to be top Notch in order to get someone higher than your smv

nature is set to constantly evolve little by little , otherwise humankind eventually will be extinct if it does not evolve or devolves

thus said , makes perfect sense that women want to date upwards, as this is the key for evolving

so makes no sense to be pissed about this , and makes perfect sense to focus on improving your general Self

if you are average in everything and only want model like women , you are as delusional as the fat ugly women that only want to date the high tier men

 

[characternote]

Btw- I don’t think any of us would be doing this if we thought 1 out of 150/200 is the ratio to expect like one guy said here lol, we’re not completely clueless man approaching woman for fukks sake

But you need to think it through. Imagine some out of shape, short bald guy in his 60's with a slightly unfortunate face.
If he goes to the Victoria Secret model convention and is surrounded by super hot 18 year olds, i'd say your '1 out of 150/200' would be a dream come true! That's like saying he's guaranteed to get laid by a 10/10 model that night (assuming like 300 models at these conventions)

When in reality, he'd have no shot lol

That's why the numbers rely on other factors, and the numbers that you think sounds ridiculous are actually on the conservative side in various situations. It wouldn't take him being 'completely clueless' in his approaches or whatever to get rejected by all them. He could even be smooth and have 'game' and i'd put all my money on this old dude NOT being able to go back to his mates the next day and brag about banging a hot 19 year old model

 

[Bigpapa]

But you need to think it through. Imagine some out of shape, short bald guy in his 50's with a slightly unfortunate face.
If he goes to the Voctoria Secret model convention and is surrounded by super hot 18 year olds, i'd say your '1 out of 150/200' would be a dream come true! That's like saying he's guaranteed to get laid by a 10/10 model that night (assuming like 300 models at these conventions)

When in reality, he'd have no shot lol

That's why the numbers rely on other factors, and the numbers that you think sounds ridiculous are actually on the conservative side in various situations. It woudn't take him being 'completely clueless' in his approaches or whatever to get rejected by all them. He could even be smooth and have 'game' and i'd put all my money on this old dude NOT being able to go back to his mates the next day and brag about banging a hot 19 year old model

unless he is super rich , or super super well connected , and the 19 years old model will do transactional sex in exchange for his connections or money

but even then , most of them will not be ok with this setup , as it is a high probability to find someone better than can still help her one way or the other

 

[characternote]

unless he is super rich , or super super well connected , and the 19 years old model will do transactional sex in exchange for his connections or money

exactly. Which brings me too a separate issue I sometimes see on seddit. People will make ridiculous claims, and when pushed and pushed, EVENTUALLY it comes out that they are talking about using money and connections and status and all kinds of other things that they see as 'game' to get their apparent results. Whereas I don't see that as 'game'. Game to me is walking up too a girl with nothing but the shirt on your back and talking to her and flirting and being charming and doing whatever else you see as verbal game and then sleeping with her. What some people call 'game' I just think 'you may as well just get a hooker!!' - because it's not about attraction at that point. It's just basically a trasnsaction exchange

 

[Bigpapa]

exactly. Which brings me too a separate issue I sometimes see on seddit. People will make ridiculous claims, and when pushed and pushed, EVENTUALLY it comes out that they are talking about using money and connections and status and all kinds of other things that they see as 'game' to get their apparent results. Whereas I don't see that as 'game'. Game to me is walking up too a girl with nothing but the shirt on your back and talking to her and flirting and being charming and doing whatever else you see as verbal game and then sleeping with her. What some people call 'game' I just think 'you may as well just get a hooker!!'

even in the community , you will see a lot of conversations around them banging beautiful women , and them being an average joe . I think that some of the stories are legit

what they do not say is that they go to this poor countries , like Latin America or East Europe where they play their western male card .

the thing is that the western male card , even if you are average or bellow average in your country or in Western Europe , you are still a top guy in this countries

because your average salary in your western country , is actually a sh1tload of money in this countries , where only the top of the professionals might get it

so if you are a 5 or a 6 in Western Europe , this means that you are a 7 or an 8 in this countries , mainly due to your higher social status that comes with being from a rich country

again , this is not game , just anther more indirect type of “ h00ker game “

If you would have slept with the 8 in Ukraine only due to game , this means that you could sleep with an 8 in America or UK or whatever other western country

and by thus , you would not have a reason to travel to this countries to do game , unless you really like to travel . But again , who would want to travel to this countries if it was not for p8ssy ?

also on another note , you will also notice that the advise is if you find a beauty in a poor country to never bring her to your country , because she will dump you once she sees that she can do better . You will see a lot of sad stories about this on forums

so you see , even this guys deep down they know that they are cheating

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Facts. I also noticed that it varies from city to city. Each region has its own vibe and its own sexual market. Your look may be hot in one city but boring in another. We can all agree that its not higher than 5% for even the best guys out there.

Significant better outcomes outside of the West. SRS! GO MAXING is legit and fellas who struggle will likely do better elsewhere. Very liberal areas, feminism and a # of things ruin women. Fellas need to get a foundation in trench warfare that being Western society. On a Vaca certain places gel better than others. My mate pointed this out to me over a decade ago.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

But you need to think it through. Imagine some out of shape, short bald guy in his 60's with a slightly unfortunate face.
If he goes to the Victoria Secret model convention and is surrounded by super hot 18 year olds, i'd say your '1 out of 150/200' would be a dream come true! That's like saying he's guaranteed to get laid by a 10/10 model that night (assuming like 300 models at these conventions)

When in reality, he'd have no shot lol

That's why the numbers rely on other factors, and the numbers that you think sounds ridiculous are actually on the conservative side in various situations. It wouldn't take him being 'completely clueless' in his approaches or whatever to get rejected by all them. He could even be smooth and have 'game' and i'd put all my money on this old dude NOT being able to go back to his mates the next day and brag about banging a hot 19 year old model

I done disagree with you but you are taking the absolute worst case scenario. .. imagine you are 3ft nothing, homeless and you got a micro lulz.

Most people are average. Problem is average women want Chad. most women are ran through and don't qualify for anything but pump and dump.

Quit worrying about other people. Go get girls yourself.