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I have been disrespected, humiliated, and emotionally abused via approaching strangers. The same thing has happened in swipe app dating. The treatment is unreal and inhumane. If I were a dog and I was treated as poorly as I have been in approaching, I would be in one of those ASPCA commercials.

The crazy thing is that my photos have rated around 6.5-7.

I will still approach strangers when needed.
 

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I have been disrespected, humiliated, and emotionally abused via approaching strangers. The same thing has happened in swipe app dating. The treatment is unreal and inhumane. If I were a dog and I was treated as poorly as I have been in approaching, I would be in one of those ASPCA commercials.

The crazy thing is that my photos have rated around 6.5-7.

I will still approach strangers when needed.
Good in you!
 

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At the risk of ruffling feathers again :oops:, I read something on Quora.com yesterday, apologies cannot upload the link to the article. Perhaps someone else can.

Anyway, the question was:

Is cold approaching women in public legally defined as "harassment"? Is approaching women illegal if you don't know them? A lot of women online say cold approaching is "harassment, and they will call the cops".

I highly doubt it will result in an arrest, like @Divorced w 3 asserted, however, fact is, some women do consider cold approach a form of harassment and will call the cops. Or threaten to if guy doesn't leave them alone.

Like my co-worker for example for yelling at me for not calling them.

It happens, it's a real thing, as silly as it may sound to some.
Here’s a $20, grab a Gatorade to quench that thirst and keep the rest for your troubles
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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At the risk of ruffling feathers again :oops:, I read something on Quora.com yesterday, apologies cannot upload the link to the article. Perhaps someone else can.

Anyway, the question was:

Is cold approaching women in public legally defined as "harassment"? Is approaching women illegal if you don't know them? A lot of women online say cold approaching is "harassment, and they will call the cops".

I highly doubt it will result in an arrest, like @Divorced w 3 asserted, however, fact is, some women do consider cold approach a form of harassment and will call the cops. Or threaten to if guy doesn't leave them alone.

Like my co-worker for example who yelled at me for not calling them.

It happens, it's a real thing, as silly as it may sound to some.
I've seen that post as well.

Legally, harassment is REPEATED unwanted advances. It doesn't matter what they feel. We have a constitutional right to protected speech. Our constitution is under constant threat and not just in this matter. They don't know what the hell they are talking about.

This will be my last post on this thread. I wanted to clarify my point in making this op. First, I wanted to warn men that having the police called is possibly going to happen. Calling the police was UNHEARD of just 10 years ago for saying hello. I've done this in the recent past and had no issues.

My other point was to try to wake men up about what's going on. There is a severe sexual repression and discrimination against heterosexual men that is under way. It's amazing how people think WE men need to shift out behavior, instead of standing up and organizing against this. Do you notice women never want to shift their behavior? They are in control and make us change. The feminists use the power of a vocal minority to enact change. They did this through a concerted effort spanning decades and accelerating rapidly with the advent of twitter and other social media platforms where they were able to organize and spread their hatred against men.

We have had trouble organizing against this. The pedestalization of women and the fathers that think "they need to protect their daughter" is a major problem. The fight against this starts as a grass roots effort. I saw the red pill as a potential for this. Unfortunately, In the red pill community, instead of coming together, they start cannibalizing each other and having silly petty beefs. Just look at some members of this forum and how they've attacked other men calling them creepy instead of standing up for them.

If feminism's only goal was equality, I'd be completely fine with it. In fact, I'd embrace it. But that's not what's going on at all. You're blind if you can't see it. All the articles about men being monsters, all the metoo stuff, all the articles about female celebrities being "taken advantage of" when you were in their 20s, "men are trash", "rape culture", "dirty old men". Non stop shaming. We are shamed for liking younger women, which we have no control over. You can't control who you are attracted to. It used to be when a man got a lot of women, he was seen as a boss. Now he's seen by the mainstream as either a predator, sleazy man ho, or f boy. All derogative terms. And women that sleep around are seen as empowered boss babes. They flipped the script. How about not judging anyone for consensual bedroom activity?

The celebrities weren't complaining when they were capitalizing on their sex appeal in their 20s., but suddenly their all victims. Professional victimhood and toxic femininity is a thing. In the woke show Riverdale, the main character betty called a man a predator and was about to shoot him just for using a truck stop prostitute. Woke hollywood uses it's shows to propagate feminist messages all the time. In Sweden, it's against the law for a man to pay for sex, but it's legal for a woman to sell herself since it's her body to sell. Sweden is a hardcore feminist country.

Look at how effective the LBTQ movement was at changing minds. I have nothing at all against gay people and I'm happy they're more accepted now, but it's a case study in how the media/news/tv shows ect. is used to rapidly change people's minds. You can literally brain wash people into believing anything.

Just Ask Goebbels about the effectiveness of propaganda!

It's gotten to the point that the cops are being called for saying hello. What's next? How bad is this going to get? This is the worst time in history to be dating as a man. Women have all the power of the state, the media, the culture, and the dating apps. We are absolutely second-class citizens under this matriarchy, and they have the nerve to call us out for male privilege? You have got to be kidding me.

Why aren't women taken in the military draft if they want equality? Powerful strong and independent and equal to men, but as soon as the war broke out in Ukraine suddenly women could leave, but men couldn't. All the trans stuff went out the window and you have to stay. Powerful strong and independent but can't handle a man saying hello to them, while men lay in fox holes taking fire to protect women. GOT IT. Feminism is an ideology bred from the comfort that men created. As soon as the **** hits the fan, it collapses.

Weak men cave to women. And that's exactly what has happened in our modern American culture. Women will complain about everything. You don't cave to every demand just to pander to them,

I've even seen videos on youtube and tiktok with women complaining that men aren't approaching them anymore! I wonder why!

My post goes way beyond me personally and has nothing to do with approach anxiety. I will not be responding to any negative replies. It's pointless. You can voice your opinion. I've said my piece.
 

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I've seen that post as well.

Legally, harassment is REPEATED unwanted advances. It doesn't matter what they feel. We have a constitutional right to protected speech. Our constitution is under constant threat and not just in this matter. They don't know what the hell they are talking about.

This will be my last post on this thread. I wanted to clarify my point in making this op. First, I wanted to warn men that having the police called is possibly going to happen. Calling the police was UNHEARD of just 10 years ago for saying hello. I've done this in the recent past and had no issues.

My other point was to try to wake men up about what's going on. There is a severe sexual repression and discrimination against heterosexual men that is under way. It's amazing how people think WE men need to shift out behavior, instead of standing up and organizing against this. Do you notice women never want to shift their behavior? They are in control and make us change. The feminists use the power of a vocal minority to enact change. They did this through a concerted effort spanning decades and accelerating rapidly with the advent of twitter and other social media platforms where they were able to organize and spread their hatred against men.

We have had trouble organizing against this. The pedestalization of women and the fathers that think "they need to protect their daughter" is a major problem. The fight against this starts as a grass roots effort. I saw the red pill as a potential for this. Unfortunately, In the red pill community, instead of coming together, they start cannibalizing each other and having silly petty beefs. Just look at some members of this forum and how they've attacked other men calling them creepy instead of standing up for them.

If feminism's only goal was equality, I'd be completely fine with it. In fact, I'd embrace it. But that's not what's going on at all. You're blind if you can't see it. All the articles about men being monsters, all the metoo stuff, all the articles about female celebrities being "taken advantage of" when you were in their 20s, "men are trash", "rape culture", "dirty old men". Non stop shaming. We are shamed for liking younger women, which we have no control over. You can't control who you are attracted to. It used to be when a man got a lot of women, he was seen as a boss. Now he's seen by the mainstream as either a predator, sleazy man ho, or f boy. All derogative terms. And women that sleep around are seen as empowered boss babes. They flipped the script. How about not judging anyone for consensual bedroom activity?

The celebrities weren't complaining when they were capitalizing on their sex appeal in their 20s., but suddenly their all victims. Professional victimhood and toxic femininity is a thing. In the woke show Riverdale, the main character betty called a man a predator and was about to shoot him just for using a truck stop prostitute. Woke hollywood uses it's shows to propagate feminist messages all the time. In Sweden, it's against the law for a man to pay for sex, but it's legal for a woman to sell herself since it's her body to sell. Sweden is a hardcore feminist country.

Look at how effective the LBTQ movement was at changing minds. I have nothing at all against gay people and I'm happy they're more accepted now, but it's a case study in how the media/news/tv shows ect. is used to rapidly change people's minds. You can literally brain wash people into believing anything.

Just Ask Goebbels about the effectiveness of propaganda!

It's gotten to the point that the cops are being called for saying hello. What's next? How bad is this going to get? This is the worst time in history to be dating as a man. Women have all the power of the state, the media, the culture, and the dating apps. We are absolutely second-class citizens under this matriarchy, and they have the nerve to call us out for male privilege? You have got to be kidding me.

Why aren't women taken in the military draft if they want equality? Powerful strong and independent and equal to men, but as soon as the war broke out in Ukraine suddenly women could leave, but men couldn't. All the trans stuff went out the window and you have to stay. Powerful strong and independent but can't handle a man saying hello to them, while men lay in fox holes taking fire to protect women. GOT IT. Feminism is an ideology bred from the comfort that men created. As soon as the **** hits the fan, it collapses.

Weak men cave to women. And that's exactly what has happened in our modern American culture. Women will complain about everything. You don't cave to every demand just to pander to them,

I've even seen videos on youtube and tiktok with women complaining that men aren't approaching them anymore! I wonder why!

My post goes way beyond me personally and has nothing to do with approach anxiety. I will not be responding to any negative replies. It's pointless. You can voice your opinion. I've said my piece.
The cops are not being called for approaching women. Nobody can cite a single example of it.
 

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I've seen that post as well.

Legally, harassment is REPEATED unwanted advances. It doesn't matter what they feel. We have a constitutional right to protected speech. Our constitution is under constant threat and not just in this matter. They don't know what the hell they are talking about.

This will be my last post on this thread. I wanted to clarify my point in making this op. First, I wanted to warn men that having the police called is possibly going to happen. Calling the police was UNHEARD of just 10 years ago for saying hello. I've done this in the recent past and had no issues.

My other point was to try to wake men up about what's going on. There is a severe sexual repression and discrimination against heterosexual men that is under way. It's amazing how people think WE men need to shift out behavior, instead of standing up and organizing against this. Do you notice women never want to shift their behavior? They are in control and make us change. The feminists use the power of a vocal minority to enact change. They did this through a concerted effort spanning decades and accelerating rapidly with the advent of twitter and other social media platforms where they were able to organize and spread their hatred against men.

We have had trouble organizing against this. The pedestalization of women and the fathers that think "they need to protect their daughter" is a major problem. The fight against this starts as a grass roots effort. I saw the red pill as a potential for this. Unfortunately, In the red pill community, instead of coming together, they start cannibalizing each other and having silly petty beefs. Just look at some members of this forum and how they've attacked other men calling them creepy instead of standing up for them.

If feminism's only goal was equality, I'd be completely fine with it. In fact, I'd embrace it. But that's not what's going on at all. You're blind if you can't see it. All the articles about men being monsters, all the metoo stuff, all the articles about female celebrities being "taken advantage of" when you were in their 20s, "men are trash", "rape culture", "dirty old men". Non stop shaming. We are shamed for liking younger women, which we have no control over. You can't control who you are attracted to. It used to be when a man got a lot of women, he was seen as a boss. Now he's seen by the mainstream as either a predator, sleazy man ho, or f boy. All derogative terms. And women that sleep around are seen as empowered boss babes. They flipped the script. How about not judging anyone for consensual bedroom activity?

The celebrities weren't complaining when they were capitalizing on their sex appeal in their 20s., but suddenly their all victims. Professional victimhood and toxic femininity is a thing. In the woke show Riverdale, the main character betty called a man a predator and was about to shoot him just for using a truck stop prostitute. Woke hollywood uses it's shows to propagate feminist messages all the time. In Sweden, it's against the law for a man to pay for sex, but it's legal for a woman to sell herself since it's her body to sell. Sweden is a hardcore feminist country.

Look at how effective the LBTQ movement was at changing minds. I have nothing at all against gay people and I'm happy they're more accepted now, but it's a case study in how the media/news/tv shows ect. is used to rapidly change people's minds. You can literally brain wash people into believing anything.

Just Ask Goebbels about the effectiveness of propaganda!

It's gotten to the point that the cops are being called for saying hello. What's next? How bad is this going to get? This is the worst time in history to be dating as a man. Women have all the power of the state, the media, the culture, and the dating apps. We are absolutely second-class citizens under this matriarchy, and they have the nerve to call us out for male privilege? You have got to be kidding me.

Why aren't women taken in the military draft if they want equality? Powerful strong and independent and equal to men, but as soon as the war broke out in Ukraine suddenly women could leave, but men couldn't. All the trans stuff went out the window and you have to stay. Powerful strong and independent but can't handle a man saying hello to them, while men lay in fox holes taking fire to protect women. GOT IT. Feminism is an ideology bred from the comfort that men created. As soon as the **** hits the fan, it collapses.

Weak men cave to women. And that's exactly what has happened in our modern American culture. Women will complain about everything. You don't cave to every demand just to pander to them,

I've even seen videos on youtube and tiktok with women complaining that men aren't approaching them anymore! I wonder why!

My post goes way beyond me personally and has nothing to do with approach anxiety. I will not be responding to any negative replies. It's pointless. You can voice your opinion. I've said my piece.
Bs. Your being overly sensitive about the issue. Infuriating, because you come across as a intelligent person just super stubborn and slightly depressed.

Again, its NOT about a single woman and a single approach. It's about the big picture. You might approach a woman for the first time, but for all we know she's been approached 10 times that day. Maybe she was raped once in her life. You might approach 5 women and they are all friendly, yet somebody lurking through the blinds might see you as a predator. And call the cops on you. It doesn't take much brain effort to figure out why it's a damn thin line between harrassment , predatory behavior and daygaming. Yet, another burden of being a man.

They reason why you are disappointed despite your effort is because you're mixing up the REDPILL and the BLACKPILL . Again, really thin borders between these ideologies.

You got all the information now; yes ,some women complain men dont approach ,and yes, some women will call the cops on you. How you gonna navigate through this?

Stop pointing fingers and come up with solutions. I , am down 100 % to think about solutions. Stop acting butthurt. And stop saying its " your last message " . You said that like 5 times in your own damn thread!
 

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Due to the definition of "raped" being changed to sex that was regretful... This is a guarantee.


Women are paradoxical... A woman I was speaking with mentioned how she was longing for men to approach her, while at the same time realizing that a subconscious threat of death emerges when being approached by men. Much like how men get approach anxiety, women get "being approached anxiety"...
Yeah more than a few women that have come to my house tell me after we fvck that they were afraid I’d murder them. Fun fact tho: the reproduction drive is stronger than the survival drive
 

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Calling the police was UNHEARD of just 10 years ago for saying hello. I've done this in the recent past and had no issues.
It is true that calling the police for saying hello was unheard of 10-15 years ago. As I said earlier, I don't expect that to impact me as I am good enough looking to not get cops called on me. I also think I'm socially calibrated enough.

My other point was to try to wake men up about what's going on. There is a severe sexual repression and discrimination against heterosexual men that is under way. It's amazing how people think WE men need to shift out behavior, instead of standing up and organizing against this. Do you notice women never want to shift their behavior? They are in control and make us change. The feminists use the power of a vocal minority to enact change. They did this through a concerted effort spanning decades and accelerating rapidly with the advent of twitter and other social media platforms where they were able to organize and spread their hatred against men.
I agree with all of this.

This is the worst time in history to be dating as a man. Women have all the power of the state, the media, the culture, and the dating apps. We are absolutely second-class citizens under this matriarchy, and they have the nerve to call us out for male privilege? You have got to be kidding me.
All true.

I've even seen videos on youtube and tiktok with women complaining that men aren't approaching them anymore! I wonder why!
I think subpar looking women, average looking women, and/or aging, 30+ women are experiencing a lower approach volume the most. Cute or hot, 18-25 year old women are still getting approached in person a decent amount and aren't likely to be the ones complaining about their approach volume. Most women aren't even noticing their lower approach volumes as their social media DMs are increasing and the swipe queues on their apps are full of men.

In 2018, one year prior to his religious conversion, Roosh V noticed how women had fuller penis pipelines as compared to when he first got into game in the early 2000s.

 

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It is true that calling the police for saying hello was unheard of 10-15 years ago. As I said earlier, I don't expect that to impact me as I am good enough looking to not get cops called on me. I also think I'm socially calibrated enough.



I agree with all of this.



All true.



I think subpar looking women, average looking women, and/or aging, 30+ women are experiencing a lower approach volume the most. Cute or hot, 18-25 year old women are still getting approached in person a decent amount and aren't likely to be the ones complaining about their approach volume. Most women aren't even noticing their lower approach volumes as their social media DMs are increasing and the swipe queues on their apps are full of men.

In 2018, one year prior to his religious conversion, Roosh V noticed how women had fuller penis pipelines as compared to when he first got into game in the early 2000s.

I like Roosh, you in fact turned me onto him. I don’t think he wrote or said anything that was beyond the realm of common sense, properly applied; and he may not be wrong that women have more options etc…but that article feels dramatic. Idk.
 

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All I Wanna Do by Sheryl Crow is literally an ode to the Cold Approach, and considering she went out with Lance we should probably take a moment and reflect on it.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I like Roosh, you in fact turned me onto him. I don’t think he wrote or said anything that was beyond the realm of common sense, properly applied; and he may not be wrong that women have more options etc…but that article feels dramatic. Idk.
That information is not that much different from the topic of this whole thread.

Maybe a big part of all this is the fact that that roosh dude wasnt the most attractive guy to begin with, and as his attractiveness declined so did his results. And yes ofcourse the landscape has changed. 25 years ago most people didn't even had mobile phones.

Again a article with general observations , and as usual no solution offered. In other words; a circle jerker.
 

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I don't think anyone is refuting that cold approach does work and is effective.

I myself have responded well to some cold approaches; ended up dating a man for a few months who cold approached at the market although I was giving him IOIs which no doubt made it easier for him to approach.

But it doesn't always work and for some women, like my co-worker for example, for whatever reasons as @Gamisch posted earlier, will feel threatened and/or imposed upon and in extreme cases, call the police.

I posted the title of an article on Quora.com stating just that - some women will call police.

There is no sense refuting that reality just as there is no sense refuting that cold approach works.

It depends on the woman, her mood, the circumstance.

There is no one size fits all.
Quora is not a news source. It is a discussion forum. You quoted another public discussion as a citation in this forum as if it were fact. Way to go Marcia Clark!
 

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I like Roosh, you in fact turned me onto him. I don’t think he wrote or said anything that was beyond the realm of common sense, properly applied; and he may not be wrong that women have more options etc…but that article feels dramatic. Idk.
You missed Roosh's run while it happened. Roosh was influential in pickup and the Manosphere for ~15 years until he converted to Orthodox Christianity in 2019.

It's my opinion that turning point for Roosh was when his younger sister died of breast cancer in 2018.

 

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I don't think anyone is refuting that cold approach does work and is effective.

I myself have responded well to some cold approaches; ended up dating a man for a few months who cold approached at the market although I was giving him IOIs which no doubt made it easier for him to approach.

But it doesn't always work and for some women, like my co-worker for example, for whatever reasons as @Gamisch posted earlier, will feel threatened and/or imposed upon and in extreme cases, call the police.

I posted the title of an article on Quora.com stating just that - some women will call police.

There is no sense refuting that reality just as there is no sense refuting that cold approach works.

It depends on the woman, her mood, the circumstance.

There is no one size fits all.
It's a shame that @Don of the north has such a short temper, otherwise we could have an interesting in depth conversation. Part of being a DJ is having the ability to chat up a woman . You can't exclude cold approach as a man. So it's relevant to analyze if and how there are changes regarding the topic. Especially when laws and company policies start to change.

It would be interesting to find out HOW does he actually approach?
1.-" brute force approach " .(exaggerated) Like tapping her on her shoulder from the back and spit game at her out of nowhere?
2. Subtle approach. You create an opportunity out of seemingly nowhere and bank on that.

A few examples of 2; I went to the grocery store. I go to the self service register and get the message a employee will check if my receipt matches with my groceries. Cute black girl walks up to me. I say " it is because I am black?" with a light smile. She starts laughing and says she is black herself. We talk a bit and I ask her to meet up. She tell me she has a bf, but looks at me like she wants to undress me as I leave the store.

I walk ,again in to a grocery store. A cute white woman walks passed me and makes eye contact . I know it's a small window ,like 5 seconds. I say " hey what's up". She greets me back and I start talking to her. I throw random stuff,kinda blatant but it works. I ask for her number and she gives it to me.

I wait for the train on a cold rainy day. Entering the station I see this hot girl standing further away. I walk with stride up to her and ask her a stupid question about the train. I gauge her reaction to my presence and decide it's enough to keep going. I say something about how ****ty the weather is and then ask here where she's going. She sits next to me the entire trip ends up giving me her number.

I can go on for hours. I am just trying to point out that I am almost always in "hunt mode". Like a predator (uhm) or should i say animal in the wild will instinctively react in the presence of prey. I might have week when I get 20 chances. Another week only 5. But the chance is ALWAYS there, as there are women everywhere. I just try to prepare by looking good, smelling good and by making sure my antennas are up ready and working. Even if I go get a simple pack of sugar around the corner. Or make a walk through the park.

By the way for brute force approach I rather go to clubs , or even better festivals. Then ofcourse there is OLD for passive approach. Plenty of changes if you know where to look .
 
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