Cold approach girl w/bf. Gives me her twin sister's #. Calls me player, lololol

[sageproduct]

using the i have nothing to lose and i don't have anything invested in her is no less of a buffer than saying she probbaly has a boyfriend or she's too hot for me to approach.

you are making excuses for not esculating.

this is like that scene in boiler room where they all have to go around and call all these ****ty sales leads and they never expect anyone to want to buy anything so seth is making the calls and going through the motions and he's getting good but he doesn't have anything invested in it, but then he calls the guy in the midwest the doctor or whatever and he's very interested. you know at that point, the practice is over. she's past the point of practicing she's now shown you that she's open to being gamed, if you have enough game.

in other words, you saying you have nothing invested is just an ego protection method becuase you don't want to take it personally if she rejects you. I agree yeah at first if you get the number and she just won't talk to you, that's oe thing but this girl has talked to you for 2 weeks. she's interested.of course she's not going to confess her undying love for you via text when you've never seen her but she's ovbiously interested in the idea of a guy with enough balls to contact the twin sister of a girl he cold approached. the only quesiton is now can you convert this into a sale.

in other words, this is your current stale problem you have right now; you aren't doing what you were doing to orginally peak her interest. you are waiting for some tale tell sign of attraciton, her saying yeah you sound like an interesting guy i want to meet up with you, but that's not what peaked her interest in you in the first place. the sargeproduct that contacted her at first could give 2 ****s if she was visablaly interested or not he was ThAT confident in himself. the sargeproduct who is talking to her now is looking for air traffic control signals of attraciton. that's what's gonna turn her off.

the mistake you are making is ASKING her to do antyhing. don't ask, tell her what the **** she is going to do rather she likes it or not. that's what you did when you first talked to her.. girl you are going to talk to me and you are going to like me and that's that. that peaked her interest. now you are hoping she shows up. you can't just cut it off like that. tell the broad she is going to come to your party and don't back down regardless of what she says. if she gives you any **** tell her that you are giving her an opproutnyt and if she passes it up you're done messing with her. she'll come if for anything to see what all the fuss is about. you have to remember, men's biggest fear is not getting the girl of their dreams, women's biggest fear is missing out on the man of their dreams. she will come just for that sole reaosn. you have to know how to play on that.

you shoudn't have anything invested in any of them. it's all a game but don't say that this "doesn't count". it does. now it does.

Yes, understood about ego protection, but I'm honest to myself and honest to you here -- I was just bringing up "zero investment" in response to the "why are you spending so much time on this chick" criticism lol. I've handled enough rejection to where I don't need to wince and brace myself from the pain. I'm conditioned enough to be ready for an open jab in the face, accept it, and move on.

That being said, yes I do need to escalate. Past week, I was out of town for 3 days, and my will was preoccupied with other things. The thought of getting this girl out with me actually was a low priority to where I didn't even think of it. But yes, I made a commitment to myself to improve my life in regards to women, so yes I am going to make the effort of getting her on the phone sometime in the next couple days and make sure she comes out to my party.

Funny thing, I've got a few different prospects who were cold approaches and not in any of my social circles who might come. Would be pretty fun if they all showed up

 

[ARrocket]

Well?

 

[ARrocket]

Welllllll?

 

[Gray The Prince]

I forgot about this thread. How are things going with this one OP?

 

[sageproduct]

Shoot, didn't notice this the first time you bumped it AR.

Well, I lost momentum like you guys said. A few months ago I was escalating too quickly in the phone game, now I've found the other end of the spectrum. And I've learned it's much about calibration and being situationally aware.

Here's what's been going on since my last update. Looking back at my text logs, I actually didn't contact her for five days, from Christmas til the 30th. I think I was preoccupied with some other stuff...this was probably actually my window to call her up and DEMAND to see her like BB said. Not the time to go cold.

Sun 12/30 11:33am [text in which I purposefully butcher the spelling of her name]
12:49pm Why can't you send me a normal text???? You're so weird.

I called her an hour later, didn't answer, left a vm. Was going to get her on the phone so I could cement her showing up for NYE. Didn't get back to me.

8:31pm Boobies
9:06 Perv. Next.

Ok let me cut out some more stupid texting and jump to this:

9:13 Well let me tell you something about women, all you want out of me is sex. I have feelings. I'm so disgusted with myself that I let you guys take advantage of my body then leave me

^I sent that text, which should have OBVIOUSLY been a joke. Most girls my type find that kind of sh1t hilarious. I'm an idiot for ignoring calibration and doing the same here, because this stupid b1tch thought I was being serious.

9:14 Haha. Trust me, it's because you're use to *****s. I'm a real women. I don't toy nor play with people's emotions because I'm a confident and secure person.
9:15 And I'm not like most females. Understood?
9:17 Don't act like you didn't want sex. You're young so have fun. Sex with no commitment seems ideal on your part.
9:17 Oh good. I best be seeing you tomorrow! Must find out if you and I can actually hold a conversation in person
9:17 Wait what? I like sex. Sex is sexy
9:20 Tomorrow? Hahahha. Stop stalking me, sageproduct. Who deosn't enjoy sex, jack@$$. I'm just saying that you should fwck around and be single. You make it seem like you want to be tied down and in an exclusive relationship. That's rare for a 20 year old. I see right through you.
9:21 In other words, your feelings were not hurt. In the end, you just wanted @$$. Duh.
9:22 Dude. Lol. You haven't even met me yet. You'll get a sense for when I'm joking and when I'm serious. No more text talk of this stuff pls lol.
9:23 I'm pretty good at reading people whether its through text or in person. Call it women's intuition.
9:26 Come to my party tomorrow.
9:28 I already made plans dude!! I might stop by later But that depends how wasted I am.
9:29 Stop by and don't drive drunk. I'll help you find a bus ride home from my place

[wanted to imply that I wouldn't try to bang her bc i haven't qualified her]

9:30 Bus ride? Ummm. I'm going to be prancing around half naked with 5 inch heels. Hello, stranger danger.
9:31 Oh save that for our third date
9:33 That was so smooth on your part.
9:33 Date? Hahah. Why can't we be friends.
9:34 Clever texts are a dime a dozen
9:35 Omg yes I've been searching for a new bff

Holy sh1t guys. Over the last few days I'd forgotten what a real cwnt this idiot is. Typing all that up reminded me.

On NYE, I sent her a text at 6 saying "Change of plans, we're going out instead of hanging at my place." Never responded.

My fault here for losing the momentum. Anything I do or say now will just feed her AWing. All I can do is go cold for a few weeks, maybe a month, then reengage and QUICKLY escalate to where I ask her out.

The phone game has really been kicking my @$$ lately. Think I'm finally starting to get a sense of it through trial and error though.

 

[SamTheHobit]

Lost cause. Move on.

 

[backbreaker]

Shoot, didn't notice this the first time you bumped it AR.

Well, I lost momentum like you guys said. A few months ago I was escalating too quickly in the phone game, now I've found the other end of the spectrum. And I've learned it's much about calibration and being situationally aware.

Here's what's been going on since my last update. Looking back at my text logs, I actually didn't contact her for five days, from Christmas til the 30th. I think I was preoccupied with some other stuff...this was probably actually my window to call her up and DEMAND to see her like BB said. Not the time to go cold.

Sun 12/30 11:33am [text in which I purposefully butcher the spelling of her name]
12:49pm Why can't you send me a normal text???? You're so weird.

I called her an hour later, didn't answer, left a vm. Was going to get her on the phone so I could cement her showing up for NYE. Didn't get back to me.

8:31pm Boobies
9:06 Perv. Next.

Ok let me cut out some more stupid texting and jump to this:

9:13 Well let me tell you something about women, all you want out of me is sex. I have feelings. I'm so disgusted with myself that I let you guys take advantage of my body then leave me

^I sent that text, which should have OBVIOUSLY been a joke. Most girls my type find that kind of sh1t hilarious. I'm an idiot for ignoring calibration and doing the same here, because this stupid b1tch thought I was being serious.

9:14 Haha. Trust me, it's because you're use to *****s. I'm a real women. I don't toy nor play with people's emotions because I'm a confident and secure person.
9:15 And I'm not like most females. Understood?
9:17 Don't act like you didn't want sex. You're young so have fun. Sex with no commitment seems ideal on your part.
9:17 Oh good. I best be seeing you tomorrow! Must find out if you and I can actually hold a conversation in person
9:17 Wait what? I like sex. Sex is sexy
9:20 Tomorrow? Hahahha. Stop stalking me, sageproduct. Who deosn't enjoy sex, jack@$$. I'm just saying that you should fwck around and be single. You make it seem like you want to be tied down and in an exclusive relationship. That's rare for a 20 year old. I see right through you.
9:21 In other words, your feelings were not hurt. In the end, you just wanted @$$. Duh.
9:22 Dude. Lol. You haven't even met me yet. You'll get a sense for when I'm joking and when I'm serious. No more text talk of this stuff pls lol.
9:23 I'm pretty good at reading people whether its through text or in person. Call it women's intuition.
9:26 Come to my party tomorrow.
9:28 I already made plans dude!! I might stop by later But that depends how wasted I am.
9:29 Stop by and don't drive drunk. I'll help you find a bus ride home from my place

[wanted to imply that I wouldn't try to bang her bc i haven't qualified her]

9:30 Bus ride? Ummm. I'm going to be prancing around half naked with 5 inch heels. Hello, stranger danger.
9:31 Oh save that for our third date
9:33 That was so smooth on your part.
9:33 Date? Hahah. Why can't we be friends.
9:34 Clever texts are a dime a dozen
9:35 Omg yes I've been searching for a new bff

Holy sh1t guys. Over the last few days I'd forgotten what a real cwnt this idiot is. Typing all that up reminded me.

On NYE, I sent her a text at 6 saying "Change of plans, we're going out instead of hanging at my place." Never responded.

My fault here for losing the momentum. Anything I do or say now will just feed her AWing. All I can do is go cold for a few weeks, maybe a month, then reengage and QUICKLY escalate to where I ask her out.

The phone game has really been kicking my @$$ lately. Think I'm finally starting to get a sense of it through trial and error though.

I think you're thinking way too much here. I mean, it's not really your fault we've all come here for the same reason and being the type of guy who types in how to get women on google and come here, we over analyze **** by nature.

in other words, in all that ****, it's like you forgot what the entire point of you talking to her was for.

As the quote in glengerry glen ross goes, always be closing. You weren't closing, you are talking.

every thing you do with a woman when you meet her should be with the intention of closing. At first, the close was not possible beucase her defense was up. but after a while, you clearly had her defenses down and you didn't close.


everyone talks about text game, phone game, game is not talking on the phone. game is getting from NO to YES, and to get from NO to YES you have to first get to NO 8 out of 10 women are gonna tell you no. my wife told me no at first. she's now my wife.

i guess what i am trying to say is that too many guys think that the name of the game is avoiding the NO and they go about all this **** just to try to avoid the no. You don't want to avoid the no. you want the no to come so you can get her objections.

look game is this simple.. the **** is just like selling cars

1. get her attention.
2. establish rapport
3. make your intentions clear
4. when she objects, and she most likely will to some degree, the key here is to figure out what are her real reservations to objecting. No doesn't mean no. no means i'm not sold YET. Now if she just thinks you aren't cute well there is nothing you can do about that. If she has a boyfriend and thinks she will be doing something naughty by going out with you let her know that all you want to do is kick it with a friend no more no less and it's quite high and mighty of her to assume you want to **** her when she hasnt' done anything worth a **** yet. if she says she doesn't have time and actually mean it, ask her what are the TWO (not one, one gives her a way to back out, but a girl can't back out of 2 ****ing time periods without being a ****) best times for her the up coming 2 weeks and we will schedule something for then i want to get to know you to the point i am willing to move around some **** to see you. if she says she doesn't feel comfortable tell her we can go do something in the very public...

see, you got to this point. her ONLY real reservation was that she thought you were some bum who was playing around and when she saw you were kinda interesting she was intrigued.. that's when you go in for the close. But you disappeared

lol that would be like me trying to sale a car, get the guy on a test drive, the guy getst he family up there they all look ati t, they've taken mental ownership of the car, we start working numbers, he gives me a commit table number (I'll buy the car if you can get the payments here without me doing a down payment, etc).. lol then i just decide i want to go home and watch football and leave him at the office.

that's pretty much what you did bro

 

[sageproduct]

lol that would be like me trying to sale a car, get the guy on a test drive, the guy getst he family up there they all look ati t, they've taken mental ownership of the car, we start working numbers, he gives me a commit table number (I'll buy the car if you can get the payments here without me doing a down payment, etc).. lol then i just decide i want to go home and watch football and leave him at the office.

that's pretty much what you did bro

Hahahhah i've been laughing at that a minute straight. Just a funny image.

But yeah, this one's on me. Can't walk around here voicing on the boombox "Hey guys I'm making a commitment of getting better with women" and then withdraw all of a sudden. Not even her being a **** is an excuse, I said it myself I need the practice.

Seems like the only women I've gotten on dates so far were the ones who pretty much said YES right away. They are rare, and now it's all about tapping into the other 80% who initially resist

 

[backbreaker]

think about it like this

you go to a car lot, you got 10 salesman. at every lot there is 1-2 guys on the staff that are just "there". they suck ass, haven o clue what they are doing, and yet even them, if i am working for say nissan and you come to the lot and you sold yourself on buying an maxima a year ago and now you can afford it, and you run into me and i'm the ****ty salesman, there isn't very much i can do to **** up the sale.

those are the guys who in the slow months they might sale 3-4 cars a month. maybe get half a deal by helping a real saleman out by doing the papwerwork or are all too happy to take over a client where the salesman isn't going to make any money just to get half an X on the board while the salesman who actually sold the client is off to more fruitful endeavors.

you wouldn't dare call that guy a saleman.. he is an order taker. he just happens to be at a car selling establishment, but he's not a salesman. selling someone car, doesn't' make you a car salemsn.

****ing a girl, or getting a date, doesn't make you a DJ or state you have game. getting girls who look at you and instantly want to **** you, and that's all you are dating, that's not game. you are just working at a good car lot with cars people want to buy so to speak

on the other hand, most lots have 1-2 guys that, they are going to get tehir's every month. 20-30 cars a month, i dont' give a **** if it's January i dont' give a **** if it's july. these mother****ers are closers. these are the mother****ers you bring to your table when they refuse to sign **** and are happy to split the deal with them. these are the guys who get pissed off when they sale a car and give up too much profit and don't make as much money as they thought they should make. these are the guys who clock 10-15 thousand dollar checks every month. oh and they are there.

the ****ty salesman looks at the good salesman and says wow he's lucky or it must be his referrals or the management throws him allt he good deals. no, it's because he's a mother****ing salesman.

everyone on the lot is going to get those 3-5 deals a month that you just cant' **** up. what makes the salesman is what are you going to do with the othe r 50-60 clients you talk to a month.

 

[floydb25]

Not going to dwelve further into this one... But it seems she like caught onto your "fake" act, as we discussed a few times. Pretty much saw through you, and didnt let her guard down - just played along, and didnt take you seriously.

One thing that stood out, though... The part about women's intuition. LET THAT SINK IN, BOYS. *****es arent dumb - even if they act like they are, and play the innocent role. So, when they play games, lie, tease, manipulate, make you jump through hoops, etc - its because they know they can get away with it. Or when they seek bad boys for crazy-hot sex. Or play the victim for sympathy and favors from the NGs. They know whats up, who they're targeting, what they're doing, and what their intentions are. Belie' dat.

Of course, not all women are scheming, conniving, crazy harpies, but you know the drill. Selfish, manipulative, controlling *****es exist out there, and they got this **** down.

 

[The Gambler]

OK, just because I'm 41 years old doesn't mean I don't use the latest and greatest technology... I own most of the toys that are available these days, and make good use of 'em. But there seems to be one major thing that I just can't relate to.......

I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN HAVE A QUALITY CONVERSATION THROUGH TEXTING!!!!!!

I don't know. Maybe younger women these days expect to have their conversations that way. But good lord, when do you draw the line? And how witty can you really be with a few words? How much of your personality can you really show?

 

[sageproduct]

Not going to dwelve further into this one... But it seems she like caught onto your "fake" act, as we discussed a few times. Pretty much saw through you, and didnt let her guard down - just played along, and didnt take you seriously.

One thing that stood out, though... The part about women's intuition. LET THAT SINK IN, BOYS. *****es arent dumb - even if they act like they are, and play the innocent role. So, when they play games, lie, tease, manipulate, make you jump through hoops, etc - its because they know they can get away with it. Or when they seek bad boys for crazy-hot sex. Or play the victim for sympathy and favors from the NGs. They know whats up, who they're targeting, what they're doing, and what their intentions are. Belie' dat.

No, she didn't "see through me" for sh1t, and she doesn't have any damn "intuition" on me. She took a text that I sent as a JOKE and read it seriously, and her "intuition" is that I'm a player who's pretending to be a nice guy. No lol, if anything it's the other way around.

There was nothing "fake" about my conversations with her. I was not trying hard to use any pickup material, I was talking to her how I'd actually talk to someone like her in person. She trolled me, took cheap shots at me, so I dealt them the fwck right back. When she stopped that a bit, then I started legitimately talking to her a bit.

Thanks for the analogy BB. I used to have many negative thinking cycles where I'd blame my looks, my upbringing, etc. Made a post in a different thread about how I've finally dropped that thinking pattern. I have nothing to blame but my own game (or lack thereof), which I now take full control and responsibility for.

Re: Gambler. You CAN'T have a quality conversation via text. It's the medium of communication with the LOWEST richness. Unfortunately, sometimes we don't have a choice. This chick wouldn't pick up the phone, what else am I going to do, write her letters and mail them to her door? Yes, it was my fault for not escalating PAST texting quickly enough, but I HAD to use it to begin with. You CAN convey a certain level of value though by sending texts that are interesting/charming/seductive, and at a pace that conveys non-neediness. The text game is ongoing, 24/7. One's texting habits is a glimpse into the type of life that one lives.

 

[foreverAFC]

this guy is a fcking moron

 

[sageproduct]

I think you need a hug