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Desdinova said:
Coffee dates are useful when you meet women off dating sites. You haven't officially met yet, so that's what you're doing... meeting her.

If you've already met the girl, then yes, I agree that coffee dates are useless and you should go for an action date.
If you do a lot of online dating you realize you never really know who's on the other end of that computer. That was my standard. I even had it on my profile "first meeting is for coffee or a quick drink, then if things work out, we can do something fun the next time." Now, mind you, sometimes I'd talk to these women on the phone, exchange additional pics, get to know them more that way, so in those cases, sometimes I'd plan something different for the first date. However, nothing worse than getting STUCK with some chick who's 20 lbs. heavier than her pictures and hasn't been shopping for new clothes in 3 years. If I'm out in town with a chick, like dasein was referring to, I want her to at least have some class and look half way decent.

If I already met the chick, in person, it's a different story, but still, coffee/drink is a great way to just sit and talk to get to know someone. For a first date, that other crap just gets in the way. Also, nothing's stopping you from extending the date either, and going to another venue if you two are hitting it off. When I was heavy into online dating I'd sometimes meet two chicks in one day. I'd meet one in the early afternoon for coffee while in the middle of doing other crap, then I'd meet another one at night for a drink. Also, especially for online dating, a chick's not always going to be okay with you picking her up. Onetime I had a chick get to the restaurant early we were meeting at (for a drink), to scout me out as I walked in. Some of these chicks have big time trust issues and they just want to meet you first before you do anything else.

If you're busy, and heavy on the dating scene, you don't time to plan crap with EVERY chick. Coffee/drink is the best way to weed them out. Plus, if you're out there pumping and dumping, fvck it, meet for a drink then invite them back...or the next time just invite them over. You don't need to plan an activity. However, if you already know the chick, talked to her in person, sparked interested....then I see nothing wrong with doing something "fun". Otherwise, it's not needed. The only chick's that complain about coffee dates are the AW's and entitled chick's who think they deserve a guy to "wine and dine" them. Leave that $hit for the betas.
 

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The411 said:
Getting to know each other doing an activity>>>>boring cliche' Coffee Dates.

How many quality chicks does one meet going for coffee/drinks to bang them for the lowest amount they can spend for the quickest easiest thing they can do? All the while claiming they "don't put the pzzy on a pedestal"?

Doing your own sht and then inviting a chick is another story. Contrary to popular belief if a chick likes you she'll not only go but offer to pay. Shocking I know.

If the chick doesn't go you're still going anyway.

If I'd ever set up a coffee date and thought of numerous things better or friends had something better to do. I'd invite the chick and go regardless.

To a man with things going for himself who doesn't put the pzzy on a pedestal he's not going to waste his time going to meet for coffee and then try to get some ***** and expect the chick to be a "catch" nor some needed boost to his self-esteem. He's got better things to do.
Whatever, you say buddy. People have different opinions on dates and I respect your own perspective. If activity dates are your things for the very first date then more grease to your elbow.
 

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dasein said:
Coffee dates blow. Yes, I have done plenty. There is always something better to do that is nearly as cheap and easy to plan in the area. Thank god for the internet, lets me plan a date anywhere, anytime, in five minutes. I want to be the guy they tell their GFs, "Yeah, we went by an exhibit at the XYZ gallery, he knows the gallery owner, met the artist, then had a drink and appetizer at the bar of the TrendydeCool restaurant down the street," not the guy they say "we went to Starbucks or Barnes and Noble." And no, it doesn't have to be a gallery or anything high culture, same principle applies to farmer's markets, county fairs or hundreds of events going on in any city on a given day. Especially OLD, and especially when dating hot professional women, there WILL BE everyone from pro athletes to moneybags to even celebrities in the picture trying to take them on expensive trips and buying them stuff. I can beat those guys... for awhile anyway, all I need ;) . But it sure as hell isn't going to happen taking them to the "Frothy Bean" for a latte.

If you are dating mallrats and hoodrats, sure, I guess coffee dates are fine, or just take em home and finger them while you play xbox. If you are a mature professional or want to be perceived as one, ditch the coffee dates.
What the hells a "mature professional?" I'm surprised Skinnyguy hasn't said anything about women looooving bad boys over "good mature guys!"

I agree with the city events and all that but if it's a girl you had just met I think it would be wise to do something simple... The things I do for first dates are like walks in the park, getting ice cream at a shop, and like lunch or dinner at a small café. Actually that's all I do come to think of it... First dates are kind of like getting to know her and if she's interested rather than more "emotionally bonding" activities in my opinion.

And honestly, most women drink coffee in the morning regardless of being a "mature professional."
 

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there is a disconnet here. this is nothing more than online dating v. real life game approach dating revisted.

people who swear by online dating will always swear by coffee dates beucse other than drinks, it's the only possible next step, and most girls that do not know you aren't going to let you get them drunk so 90% of your dates are going to be coffee dates


people who tend to do real life dating tend to have more of a take it or leave it attudue, usually leaving it


thinking about it i've never actually been on a real coffee date either now that i think about it. i've taken girls i knew out for coffee but not an actual coffee date. then again i've never done online dating.


most first date with my wife cost about 10 bucks, for beer lol, we went to the beach. the 2nd date i spent about 40 dollars bowling and the third date was free. usually first dates for me, especially when i moved to San Diego/ Del Mar, was me finding something i wanted to do interested and inviting a girl to do it with me. the more unique a date can be, the quicker you find out if she's interested or not.
 

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backbreaker said:
there is a disconnet here. this is nothing more than online dating v. real life game approach dating revisted.

people who swear by online dating will always swear by coffee dates beucse other than drinks, it's the only possible next step, and most girls that do not know you aren't going to let you get them drunk so 90% of your dates are going to be coffee dates


people who tend to do real life dating tend to have more of a take it or leave it attudue, usually leaving it


thinking about it i've never actually been on a real coffee date either now that i think about it. i've taken girls i knew out for coffee but not an actual coffee date. then again i've never done online dating.


most first date with my wife cost about 10 bucks, for beer lol, we went to the beach. the 2nd date i spent about 40 dollars bowling and the third date was free. usually first dates for me, especially when i moved to San Diego/ Del Mar, was me finding something i wanted to do interested and inviting a girl to do it with me. the more unique a date can be, the quicker you find out if she's interested or not.
I've done online dating and would never waste my time travelling anywhere to just go to the local coffee shop unless it was a quick stop in and out to get coffee on the way to something I wanted to see and take the chick with me.

If they're on Long Island and I was going to go? I'm going to see a lighthouse and take her with me. If she doesn't want to? I'm setting up plans with friends as soon as I hang up or finding something else to do. She could be a Hawaiian Tropic model and I wouldn't waste my time trying to drive to wherever she was or even meet half way to spend my time in a coffee shop. If I got one? I can drop her and get another. We're going to do something unique and inexpensive "some site in the area to see" and can bs while going around there...and she will LIKE it. lol

Most chicks have done sht, and seeing a dude that knows more about their area or something unique even inexpensive is much more exciting than boring her to tears interrogating some chick and her with me whom we may never see each other again. If some dudes prefer to spend their dating lives meeting women and taking them to coffee shops...more power to them.

If a chick is that lame she wants to just sit and drink coffee? She can find her type and keep it moving.
 

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The411 and dasien appear to be extremely inexperienced with dating.

I guess they haven't figured out yet you can still do an activity on your date after your drink when you click with the girl.

Are you two that clueless?

You don't have to sit there just drinking and talking when things are going well.

She will prove that she is worth your time to proceed further.

Experienced men know how to steer the date in the direction they want.

A lot of times women want to go back to my place after the bar.

Making out and having sex is an activity date.

Automatically trying to impress a woman that hasn't earned it is for betas that hold no value.

Gain more experience first with dating fellas before you speak of ignorance.


dasein said:
Coffee dates blow. Yes, I have done plenty.

The women weren't enjoying your company I see.

A date will never blow when you are having a good time with her.

I don't see how it can blow having a good conversation with a hot woman.

It doesn't matter what you are doing.

Get a better personality then the date won't blow.

All that matters is the connection you have. That can happen anywhere doing anything.

Looking at a painting with her isn't going to help you when your personality is sour.

I guess you haven't learned yet that you can take her somewhere else after your Giant Mocha Blast to continue a good date.

Inexperience like yours always shows.


dasein said:
from pro athletes
Pro athletes don't need to impress women.

Women are already impressed by their value.

Women will fvk them on their merit alone.

Women will do that when you already have high value.

You don't need to drag a woman to an art gallery chatting with the owner trying to gain phony status to impress her.

Insecure men do that to inflate their low self worth.

Your value should already be known by the woman when you have high value.



The411 said:
Don’t be surprised when the chick flakes as she would rather go with the other dude rock climbing, to the beach, or to the top of a building in the city, museum, walk in the city, some cool historical place or wherever they feel like going.
You are doing what the girl wants trying to impress her.

dasein has to look up things on the internet for ideas to impress.

Dates should always be what YOU want NOT trying to impress HER.

That shows you care way too much.

Doing what she wants means you are caring enough to impress her.

Talking at the beach can still be done in a coffee shop. The conversation isn't going to change any.




I don't even go on coffee dates. I don't really drink coffee. I just thought your thread was lame.

A nice bar is a good simple date to start.

If you want to take her to other places that is fine too.

Only the connection matters not what you are doing on the date.

Your argument is useless.



Did it ever occur to you that you can walk on the beach at night after your drink with her?

Establishing some kino first and making out in the sand.

Letting her suck you off afterwards.

I guess you and dasien aren't creative enough with experience to know any better.

You guys think you sit there at one place for the entire date when it's going well.

Hilarious!

No wonder your dates blow when you both are boring.

That's why you both need activities to distract her like I said.

Get some experience first fellas.
 

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Soolaimon said:
The411 and dasien appear to be extremely inexperienced with dating.

I guess they haven't figured out yet you can still do an activity on your date after your drink when you click with the girl.

Are you two that clueless?

You don't have to sit there just drinking and talking when things are going well.

She will prove that she is worth your time to proceed further.

Experienced men know how to steer the date in the direction they want.

A lot of times women want to go back to my place after the bar.

Making out and having sex is an activity date.

Automatically trying to impress a woman that hasn't earned it is for betas that hold no value.

Gain more experience first with dating fellas before you speak of ignorance.





The women weren't enjoying your company I see.

A date will never blow when you are having a good time with her.

I don't see how it can blow having a good conversation with a hot woman.

It doesn't matter what you are doing.

Get a better personality then the date won't blow.

All that matters is the connection you have. That can happen anywhere doing anything.

Looking at a painting with her isn't going to help you when your personality is sour.

I guess you haven't learned yet that you can take her somewhere else after your Giant Mocha Blast to continue a good date.

Inexperience like yours always shows.




Pro athletes don't need to impress women.

Women are already impressed by their value.

Women will fvk them on their merit alone.

Women will do that when you already have high value.

You don't need to drag a woman to an art gallery chatting with the owner trying to gain phony status to impress her.

Insecure men do that to inflate their low self worth.

Your value should already be known by the woman when you have high value.





You are doing what the girl wants trying to impress her.

dasein has to look up things on the internet for ideas to impress.

Dates should always be what YOU want NOT trying to impress HER.

That shows you care way too much.

Doing what she wants means you are caring enough to impress her.

Talking at the beach can still be done in a coffee shop. The conversation isn't going to change any.




I don't even go on coffee dates. I don't really drink coffee. I just thought your thread was lame.

A nice bar is a good simple date to start.

If you want to take her to other places that is fine too.

Only the connection matters not what you are doing on the date.

Your argument is useless.



Did it ever occur to you that you can walk on the beach at night after your drink with her?

Establishing some kino first and making out in the sand.

Letting her suck you off afterwards.

I guess you and dasien aren't creative enough with experience to know any better.

You guys think you sit there at one place for the entire date when it's going well.

Hilarious!

No wonder your dates blow when you both are boring.

That's why you both need activities to distract her like I said.

Get some experience first fellas.
Experience on going to a bar or for coffee to qualify some random chick on deciding to go somewhere else? Damn that sounds interesting for a dude with better things to do. Coffee clicking. Sounds like something epically exciting I'd enjoy. Lmao. You hold stock in Starbucks? Work there?

I'm already going where I want to go. She can be unimpressed or impressed. I'm going regardless with or without her.

You have fun coffee clicking and bar bantering hoping to "game" her to get that "quality" lay.

I'll be expanding places I've gone "desperately trying to impress" chicks and crying at night with no sex and loveless. :crackup:
 

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Desdinova said:
Coffee dates are useful when you meet women off dating sites. You haven't officially met yet, so that's what you're doing... meeting her.

If you've already met the girl, then yes, I agree that coffee dates are useless and you should go for an action date.
I disagree. I find coffee dates pretty much useless period (I'm assuming the during the day type coffee dates). The logistics are bad to further escalate/potentially close, day time is not romantic, and it requires little to no investment/effort on her part. EDIT: First impressions matter, and the upside you get by having a little less risk yourself if she turns out to suck is not worth the significant downside if things go well or if she is hot and now you have put yourself at much higher risk of establishing a platonic/casual vibe right off the bat.
 

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You know what I think is my most romantic trait when initially meeting a chick? LISTENING to them. That's pretty much it--keep my mouth shut; look them in the eye; ask questions. THAT seems to loosen them up between the thighs more than any "romantic" gesture I've ever tried.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People
That's the Dale Carnegie advice from 1936. I'm pretty sure that by "influence people" he meant 'get laid.' But it was the 30s, so he couldn't be so blunt without being scandalous.

So many women (and men) have this ludicrous idea that only bad people fvck on the first date. At least the coffee date idea gets the first date stigma out of the way. It's kind of like an agreed upon concession by both sides.

The out-for-drinks first date is the girl who is looking for sex without the usual relationship demands. It's not a guarantee by any means, but it's a woman who wants an excuse to be bad. "He just swept me off my feet. I don't know what happened, must have been the alcohol..."
 

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Espi:

We have a different philosophy I guess.

I always escalate as fast as I can if I'm attracted and interested. The longer you take, the more volatility you introduce to the equation which means more risk.. more risk she will meet someone else during the courtship process, more risk she will change her mind, that her friends will change her mind about you, taht she won't find you 'sexual' or 'alpha' enough...the list goes on.

For me, if there is chemistry, I regularly f-close on a first date from the internet and I always go for it if I am interested. It has never hurt me seeing a girl I wanted to date not just have sex with again; I would actually suspect that it has helped me dramatically get 2nd and 3rd dates as women become naturally attached after sex. (And no, I'm not Brad Pitt, I'm 5'8", 32, average looking and bald, though I have what most girls would consider a great body)

Now, as you can imagine, f-closing from a coffee date during the day is way harder than from drinks at the lounge across the street from my apartment at night. (This answers your question about what I typically do for a first date, along with, believe it or not, dinner if I think the chemistry will be there and I'm hungry :)

In terms of cost, if you cannot financially afford to pay for a round or two of drinks, then your choices are different, but I still highly recommend dates which are logistically conducive to escalation. even if you don't want to escalate, I think it is a big mistake to not at least give yourself the option!

As for investment... let's be real, for us meeting a girl is much less investment than it is for them (makeup, dressing up, etc.) How much extra effort do you put in meeting a girl for a drink versus for coffee? Is it really that much extra work? I think the asymmetry here works heavily in your favor: a woman who is only willing to meet for coffee during her lunch break is probably not that interested to begin with, and if she was, you set yourself up in a very non-sexual frame right off the bat that you need to overcome. Why start a few yards behind the start line for no reason?

I've written a lot about these topics on my site as online dating is one of my "expertise" and a corollary to that is expertise at 'first dates'. And I find that the "meet and nothing more" coffee date is a significant mistake men (and women) make when it comes to online dating. Feel free to search my site (for words like coffee date, day date, dating myths).. I write a TON about this topic .. way too much to write it all in this post (or 10 posts)

As for romanticism... I don't necessarily mean flowers and things like that, I mean a more sexual/romantic vibe of a dimly lit venue at night versus a location and time of day that your brain generally does not associate with romance and sex.
 

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Espi said:
I'd like to hear from the guys who don't believe in meeting for a coffee/drink.

What do you guys typically do?
I'm looking to amuse myself/ turn a (especially if a distance) meet into an adventure as in the first meet/date is something I want to do, or it's in an area I may not have been, has something going on at the time in.

It's like taking the whole thing to add as another place I've been, area I've been, new sight I've seen went into, or some fair or attraction I've wanted to go to.

If other dudes are more interested in living in coffee shops, bars then have at it. The rest of us will be expanding our profile regardless if some chick is impressed or not. I do it to impress myself and have many friends doing the same sht. Married or not. We go. One can't make it or doesn't want to go? They stay home. It doesn't have to be expensive.

You could visit some historical place where they live.

They have a farmers market, street fair, etc. of stuff I may want to buy and bring home or just look at.

Find out interesting quick facts about their town/ location to drive around and see, get out, grab a coffee and walk. (I'm moving not sitting down unless we've been going around someplace.)

Go to the beach, a lighthouse and went up to the top, took pictures or some interesting spot that may've had some news event there or is known. There could be some old Indian burial ground, some rock formation, some known local cave, some park that's famous.

A local aquarium, large pet shop, (bowling if things go well), take a ride, take a walk around the town.

If a gym person take them on a free guest to the gym, free yoga class, free dancing class, picnic in a park.

I've went to places on the island for raw clams, walking up and down having a beer (in a bag).

checking out a cigar shop

walking around a new mall.

There's tons of things. I could keep going and going. Again. I'm doing something I want to do, and see using meets as doing activities and expanding places I've been and more things I know about.

If others want to coffee 'click' and bar banter going through mental gymnastics over how to get her home or hope she likes them I'm not worried about that. I've got better things to do. And if the chick wants to sit in bookshops or coffeeshops? She can stay in them and read about places I've went, have a donut and coffee as coffee shops are a quick in and out stop on my way to go see something in their area.

So regardless if it works or it doesn't I've already expanded places I've been can introduce others to if they wish etc.

Coffee to me is simply some fuel to keep things moving on where I'm already going.
 

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Warning LONG POST without a TL/DR

Espi,

I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of what you said and I recognize the different philosophies and approaches. But, I do disagree with your view that sex on the first date is out of the realm of possibility for most men. I have slept with over 100 women met online on first dates over the years..throw in the second date and I would say I sleep with, conservatively, 75% of the women who were ever going to sleep with me by then.

My situation is also not atypical. Many of my friends have similar experiences, though they go out less than I do.

Like you said, if it was so atypical, I would be making millions from my method, but I don't even cover my website hosting/other costs from the few sales of my e-book.

What probably most readers want to know though is how I do it, if indeed they believe that sex on a first date with an online date is uncommon.

So here it is:

(1) A big part of my success has to do with living in NYC. Not going to lie, location matters, and in NYC, sex is easier to get than anywhere I have lived. But this is not the only factor by a long shot. (I lived in Boca Raton for 1.5 years and I still slept with 15-20 from the internet on the first date)

(2) While I am relatively average looking, short and bald, I am in great shape, so that most definitely helps..so there is no doubt that looks/physical attractiveness do matter when it comes to first night lays, however, I will note that online, women already know what you look like, so unless your pictures are very misleading (I do not recommend pictures that are "too good" btw), there's a decent chance you have enough attractiveness already to get the 1st night lay.

(3) I go for sex on the first date -- A lot of men don't get sex on the first date because they don't go for it. There is almost no downside in trying to get sex on the first date as long as you aren't creepy about it. There is plenty of upside, assuming you like sex of course :)

What do I mean by go for it?

I mean escalating aggressively with eye contact and kino escalation. Not creepy, but I err on the side of too much kino versus too little. I've been called out a few times, but it's rarely mattered if she liked me, and if she didn't like me, it wouldn't matter anyways.

(For example, I f-closed a girl from tinder on a 2nd date while in miami for a conference (first date was an hour meet and greet in between some meetings I had) and she blatantly called me out for being so touchy. I told her I was always like this and then made fun of her about it (I would go touch her and then pull back and say something like: "OH WAIT I FORGOT, SORRY, I FORGOT I CAN'T TOUCH YOU UH OH!!"..anyway, back to the main topic)

Secondly, I am not afraid to invite her over. I play instruments, so my main go to is want to come up and hear some piano/guitar/whatever. I say it casually and if I sense any hesitation (or sometimes preemptively) I qualify with a false time constraint. For example: "Well, I'm going to pass out in a little bit, but want to come hear some piano for a bit before you head home?"

Many men are afraid that they will ruin it with a girl for being too forward: This almost never happens If she likes you but isn't ready yet, she'll just say she has to head home and you say ok cool, some other time. You will almost never scare someone off by inviting them over.

(4) Logistics

This is one of the most important steps. I set up logistics to make it as easy as possible to f-close on the first date. This is where being in NYC is a huge advantage (easy to arrange a date literally a 10 second walk from your place) but a city isn't the only spot.

Some critical logistical points:

(1) Arrange dates at good times. I find the ideal date time is 8pm. This is too late a time for her to arrange anything after your date, but not too late that she will be too tired after an hour and a half to two hours.

(2) Make it as easy as possible to get back to a sex location -- whether it is your place or her place, make it EASY. If you can, always arrange a date walking distance from a sex location. This is not always feasible depending where you live, and that does make things much harder if you live in the suburbs but there are still techniques that can help.

For example, try to control the driving if you can. She may be hesitant to have you pick her up (though you'd be surprised how many girls are ok with this) but a good idea that works well is to have her park at your place and then you guys go to the venue together. You can make this happen by cleverly arranging your location to be such that your house is on the way from her house to the place. It doesn't always work, but you should try to make this happen to increase your odds of a first date lay.

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(5) Attract, Attract, Attract

In my opinion, by far the most important part of seduction is the attraction phase. Don't settle for "just enough attraction", keep attracting her and attracting her even once you think she already likes you. For her to sleep with you on a first date she doesn't just have to like you, she has to REALLY like you, and really like you in a sexual way.

A lot of guys COULD get there on a first date, but instead they choose to rest on their laurels and they stop DHV'ing, start getting too comfortable, ease up on the kino escalation (when they should be ramping it up) and the likes.

Whole books can be written (and have been) about how to turn women on and attract them so that's just too much for an already long post, but the key point here is "don't stop attracting". There is never "like you enough" or "think you are of enough value" if you want to get quick, early lays. More is better. I wrote about this technique which I call "Value Overloading" on my site in more detail.

A Note on How to get her to your place

This is really a common sticking point. I wrote an article about it on my site (search: tricks your place) but here's one I like, I call it planting seeds:

For me, the seed is music, I bring up the instruments I play to have that in their mind and then circle back to that at the end of the date. For you it can be something as simple as a cool youtube video "that you just can't capture on a 4.7" iphone6 screen" to some paintings in your house. This is an easy way to segue into getting her over if you aren't comfortable just asking her to come over at the end of the date.

A note on making her comfortable so early in the process

One very powerful technique I like to use to make her comfortable enough to sleep with me so early on is what I call "assuming continuity" I wrote about it on my site (search for "continuity").

The basic concept is to inject statements that suggest that you already see you guys hanging out a bunch in the future. An example would be:

You: "I went to this great sushi restaurant the other day."
Her: "Awesome, I love sushi, where is it?"
You: "It's XYZ...I'm a huge sushi lover as well, we'll go there sometime."

That's a sneaky little trick which is surprisingly powerful at making her comfortable you aren't going to just hit it and quit it, which is one of the big reasons girls do not sleep with a guy they like on the first date.

Hope this helps

EDIT: Oh, and one more tip ... you would be surprised how many women will agree to come to your place for THE FIRST DATE. You have to usually plant a seed to get there (my seed for that is board games), and it isn't a method you can count on, but I have had at least a dozen first dates at [EDIT: my or her] place... all but one ended in an f-close and that was because I was not attracted to the girl. Granted, most women who agree to this are already thinking that if you live up to what they expect they will sleep with you, but hey, you'd be surprised at how many of those women there are!
 

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GettinMyMindRight said:
Espi, I view bar/pub dates for a drink or two a No No on a first date.

I feel like it gives the girl the idea that I just want to get a few drinks in her and have sex. Plus, it's night time, kind of loud inside.... Just doesn't feel like a good setting for a "get to know you" date.
That's why you do the "get to know you" dates on weeknights or weekend days. Every once in a while I'll do a weekend night, if I have a good feeling about the chick and her IL is already pretty high. Either way, I like to go to an area where there's a lot of options. That way if one place is filled with obnoxious drunks, we can just walk somewhere else<------show her you can take the lead and make decisions for the both of you.

I mainly just worry she'll think all I want is sex if we drink alcohol.
Perfect example, we were at a pub on first date recently..we each had 2 beers. Waitress comes up and asks me if I want another. I say Yes. She then looks at my date and she says No. So I start thinking "Oh sh!t". I felt terrible for ordering another one at that point, since she stopped at 2. Just feel like it made her think negatively about my intentions.
If you see my previous post I say "quick drink", meaning one....maybe two. That's to set the expectations low, and to handle ASD...we're just "getting to know each other". Then if things are running smoothly me: "you want to get another one?" And usually I will already know the answer to that one. And it also sets the stage for "it just happened"

Am I just over-analyzing?
No, I feel you just need to tweak a few things. A lot of it is about the presentation.

EDIT: And Yes, I do agree with Espi on where he's coming from, your frame may also need some tweaking.
 

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GettinMyMindRight said:
Espi, I view bar/pub dates for a drink or two a No No on a first date.

I feel like it gives the girl the idea that I just want to get a few drinks in her and have sex. Plus, it's night time, kind of loud inside.... Just doesn't feel like a good setting for a "get to know you" date.

I mainly just worry she'll think all I want is sex if we drink alcohol.

Perfect example, we were at a pub on first date recently..we each had 2 beers. Waitress comes up and asks me if I want another. I say Yes. She then looks at my date and she says No. So I start thinking "Oh sh!t". I felt terrible for ordering another one at that point, since she stopped at 2. Just feel like it made her think negatively about my intentions.

Am I just over-analyzing?
(1) Yes you are overanalzying .. you should not worry that a woman thinks you want sex. They expect this from any guy who isn't gay pretty much. And there is nothing wrong with that. I mean, they are also looking for a guy to have sex with (though often for more than just sex).

(2) I would even say that sometimes it is good to demonstrate that you want sex, just not creepily and I prefer to not do it verbally (but with eye contact and kino)

(3) Your drink ordering was just a silly mistake. Look to your date before ordering another drink. It's also a great way to see how interested she is.

(4) Drinks doesn't have to be at a loud dive bar.. there are plenty of drinks options that aren't loud, have good seating arrangements (side by side, or L shape vs across from each other) and the like.
 
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