Coffee dates are a lame waste of time. Unless..

[The411]

I can understand if a dude thinks by doing something extravagant to "impress" a chick he's losing. Of course. He's doing it simply to impress a chick.

Yet going out where YOU want to go and asking a chick to come with you and not making your plans specifically in regards to if she goes or not is a totally different story. (If you in your normal schedule do all sorts of activities there should be no issue if you ask a chick to come and she does...or doesn't as you weren't going there to "impress" her in the first place. It's a place you wanted to visit and she can come to interact with you.)

I've never went on a coffee date. It's a waste of my time and I see no purpose in doing some sit down "interview" process for 15 minutes, then expecting some chick to become a smitten loveslave to be drooling over me, bang her out, and then consider her a "catch".

Now if a dude is short on funds/doesn't want to spend money on some stranger and only meets chicks in his home area (close), then a quick coffee date would be ok.

But on the same token going to meet someone at a distance or meeting even half way wastes too much time to go meet for coffee or even drinks for a man with things going for him and things better to do. I wouldn't bother as I can find better things to do with friends.

You can't complain that you go to meet these chicks for coffee and never hear from them. Coffee dates seem like online emails and are cliche played out sh1t. They get tons of offers and there's really not much to do besides talk and then setup another date for drinks, see if she wants to go to your place etc. and then expect some chick who does to be "quality".

Now if you are expecting coffee dates, drink dates to lead to my place or yours sex then don't complain later on if it ends up that way that "all these chicks are slvts" or you've fallen for some chick who you smashed the first time at your place and she's not a "good girl" after all as if that was what you were looking for to begin with. Don't complain.

Coffee dates are fine if you live close and can find some other inexpensive activity to get to joke around, interact by doing something fun, touch, and don't want to spend money because you think chicks will ONLY date you any other way because you're trying to impress them.

For the rest of us who like doing activities, going places and invite a chick and could care less if she goes or not as we are going regardless it's a different story.

 

[El Payaso]

First date should usually be light. Nothing expensive. Just getting to know each other. If you're able to take her home and fvck her on the first date, you're either really good or she's really loose or a combination of both.

 

[The411]

First date should usually be light. Nothing expensive. Just getting to know each other. If you're able to take her home and fvck her on the first date, you're either really good or she's really loose or a combination of both.

Getting to know each other doing an activity>>>>boring cliche' Coffee Dates.

How many quality chicks does one meet going for coffee/drinks to bang them for the lowest amount they can spend for the quickest easiest thing they can do? All the while claiming they "don't put the pzzy on a pedestal"?

Doing your own sht and then inviting a chick is another story. Contrary to popular belief if a chick likes you she'll not only go but offer to pay. Shocking I know.

If the chick doesn't go you're still going anyway.

If I'd ever set up a coffee date and thought of numerous things better or friends had something better to do. I'd invite the chick and go regardless.

To a man with things going for himself who doesn't put the pzzy on a pedestal he's not going to waste his time going to meet for coffee and then try to get some ***** and expect the chick to be a "catch" nor some needed boost to his self-esteem. He's got better things to do.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

OP, have you ever been on a coffee date?

 

[Soolaimon]

The first date doesn't matter what you do.

Simple is the best option.

When she likes you enough you'll get laid even if you walked down the boulevard for free.

It's the man you are is what counts.

Never spend too much for a first date.

Make sure it's a place to make a quick exit if she is boring.

 

[Harry Wilmington]

Eh, I can't really agree with this - I've had successes with taking women on first dates at coffee shops, bookstores or restaurants despite what the thinking here may be. If you take a girl on an activity date and are still acting nervous or being too much of a "nice guy," you still end up with less of a chance of gaining her interest than if you were to take her on a coffee date but had the kind of personality that would draw her in. Plus, I use the coffee date to figure out what kinds of activities or things she'd be into; the last thing I want to do is plan a first date where I plan an activity - for example, rock climbing - only to find out she's not wanting to do that activity for some reason (i.e. fear of heights). It's a "get to know you" date where you can talk and really figure out what directing you want to start taking this thing into. BTW, this isn't a diss towards activity dates; rather, it's a post saying not to completely turn down the idea of keeping things simple on a first date.

 

[Wraithe]

Take her to a store in the mall and tell her to pick out an outfit she thinks you would look good in. Conversely, pick out an outfit for her. BUT, pick out the most hideous, grandma-looking outfit, then present it to her and tell her to try it on. The beauty - this is free! You don't buy the outfits...you simply enjoy picking one out for one another.

I am going to try that one, you need to get clothes (If you do want to spend money, do it on yourselves) to look good anyway right? Might as well have a female opinion to go with it, all while having action oriented fun with her. Perfect first date.

 

[TheCWord]

Through the anonymity of the internet, you can't always tell for sure who on here is actually competent and has experience with women.

But bad advice like this usually lets you know when a guy has no clue.

OP, based on this and posts you've made in other threads, I hope you will take the time to study up a bit. Read some of the higher repped posters and write less yourself. Internalize everything then go out and date a lot of women.

You are spreading some bad advice. At worst, newbies will read it and interpret it as gospel. At best, you are only doing yourself harm. And we want you to succeed here. Forget about being a keyboard jockey. Stop thinking you know everything. You can pound the keys and tell me I'm wrong, but most of us are able to see this is not wisdom you are spouting but total B.S.

Again, you're hurting yourself.

Edit: Sorry for being negative there. It's just not very responsible to dissuade people from something that is common practice. You'll get certain posters who will take advice from anybody on here and that's dangerous if you don't have the success to back it up.

 

[The411]

OP, have you ever been on a coffee date?

If I was already out with a chick at the time and went for coffee after doing an activity then “yes”. Otherwise to waste my time driving to meet some random stranger going to sit down for a coffee interview..No. I don’t do that with friends either. Much better things to do and coffee is just a stop we’d make.

I prefer to do activities. Tell the chick to come. She either does or she doesn’t as I set the plans for myself or with friends. Never had a problem with it. A chick doesn’t go? It’s like making plans and one dude decides not to go. I’m going regardless.

Coffee dates and going for drinks are a great way to show a chick you’re a boring, unoriginal shlub. I fortunately am not. They’re nothing new. Everyone’s been there and done that. Went out somewhere and stopped off for coffee, or been to bars. For some of us we’d prefer something active, exciting, different, or something we’d both enjoy. Not to “impress” someone else as if that is THE reason you are going. If you are doing it to “impress” someone? Then you’re a fool. You set the plans and do some activity that doesn’t require spending money if you are soo worried some chick is simply trying to use you for your money. I set my own plans. If I meet a chick and I’ve already decided I’m going somewhere alone or with friends? Again. She can come. Or she can sit home. Never had a problem. She either goes or she doesn’t.

You connect much better with people doing activities unless you’re socially retarded and therefore will suck on a coffee date as well. Drinks are EASY to do. If a chick goes she’s pretty much already green lighting you so far. Either she goes to give herself an excuse if something happens, or she goes to get free drinks, or she doesn’t as she wants to be polite but finds it boring same old same old and flakes.

Coffee and or drinks. LMAO Epic mind blowing originality. Booooring.

Google ANYTHING on “Coffee dates”. Coffee dates svck, Coffee dates are lame, Coffee dates are boring, or just Coffee dates and you’ll immediately see loads of responses on them svcking azz. It’s a cliché boring been there done that no creativity lame-o date. Activity FTW.

Through the anonymity of the internet, you can't always tell for sure who on here is actually competent and has experience with women.

But bad advice like this usually lets you know when a guy has no clue.

^^Sez clueless anonymous internet poster.^^

OP, based on this and posts you've made in other threads, I hope you will take the time to study up a bit. Read some of the higher repped posters and write less yourself. Internalize everything then go out and date a lot of women.

Which threads? Point them out.

In what bizarre world do you live in that doing an activity with a chick isn’t a date yet going for coffee is? Or somehow unoriginal coffee dates are "better"? Perhaps for an unoriginal shlub. You are going to meet the chick for coffee. Myself? I'm going here. She can go if she wants. If not. I'm going regardless. See how that works? Does an activity automatically = “spending more money” to you? Are you afraid that anything other than moving ASAP to try to get laid that somehow a chick will decide she doesn’t like you if you do anything else? I don’t have that problem.

If more reps to you online = more “knowledge” and “experience” you need to get off the internet for your own good.

You are spreading some bad advice. At worst, newbies will read it and interpret it as gospel. At best, you are only doing yourself harm. And we want you to succeed here. Forget about being a keyboard jockey. Stop thinking you know everything. You can pound the keys and tell me I'm wrong, but most of us are able to see this is not wisdom you are spouting but total B.S.

Why would a newbie interpret my advice as “gospel” when there’s so many “knowledgeable” posters with full “reps” they can fawn over? “Succeed”? LMAO. If based on the countless threads of whining, BPD, divorce, “how do I do this”, “She dumped me” etc. threads is “succeeding” in your mind there’s nothing I can offer you for advice.

Again, you're hurting yourself.

Edit: Sorry for being negative there. It's just not very responsible to dissuade people from something that is common practice. You'll get certain posters who will take advice from anybody on here and that's dangerous if you don't have the success to back it up.

You could easily ignore my “bad advice” but can’t restrain yourself. Yet you believe anonymous posters on the internet who spend their lives on sites like this and God knows how many others because they have “high reps” which get handed out like candy in certain cliques. LMAO. Get real son.

 

[jimmy18]

Trolling sosuave.net is a lame waste of time, unless (or especially if) you are Naughty Ninja

 

[Soolaimon]

I prefer to do activities. Tell the chick to come. She either does or she doesn’t as I set the plans for myself or with friends. Never had a problem with it. A chick doesn’t go? It’s like making plans and one dude decides not to go. I’m going regardless.

Give examples of your activities.

You have friends tag along on your dates?

Coffee dates and going for drinks are a great way to show a chick you’re a boring, unoriginal shlub. I fortunately am not. They’re nothing new. Everyone’s been there and done that. Went out somewhere and stopped off for coffee, or been to bars. For some of us we’d prefer something active, exciting, different, or something we’d both enjoy. Not to “impress” someone else as if that is THE reason you are going. If you are doing it to “impress” someone? Then you’re a fool. You set the plans and do some activity that doesn’t require spending money if you are soo worried some chick is simply trying to use you for your money. I set my own plans. If I meet a chick and I’ve already decided I’m going somewhere alone or with friends? Again. She can come. Or she can sit home. Never had a problem. She either goes or she doesn’t.

I value my time spending my time on people worthwhile.

I'm not going to spend my time doing activities with a girl I don't really like.

That is a waste of my time.

I'm going to spend my time doing activities with a girl I like.

I am setting my own plans with the date I choose..

Just like you said you are setting.

Doesn't matter what date I make.

She can come or sit home like you said.

If she likes you she will come.

She will be happy to do whatever simple date you plan.

I don't see your argument working.

You connect much better with people doing activities unless you’re socially retarded and therefore will suck on a coffee date as well. Drinks are EASY to do. If a chick goes she’s pretty much already green lighting you so far. Either she goes to give herself an excuse if something happens, or she goes to get free drinks, or she doesn’t as she wants to be polite but finds it boring same old same old and flakes.

Sounds like you need an activity date to present yourself better to distract her.

Connection is based on you and the girl.

It doesn't matter what you do to establish a connection.

Having a coffee date or rock climbing won't matter.

When there is no connection the activity won't matter.

When you are boring any date you have will be boring.

She will still come for a coffee date.

My activity dates are spent on women that I like. Not just any random girl.

Dates are up to the man to decide what he prefers.

You will get a connection drinking coffee or walking down the street.

Your argument is failing.

Coffee and or drinks. LMAO Epic mind blowing originality. Booooring.

Your opinion.

How is it boring when the girl is enjoying your company?

Does it really matter what you when she clicks with you?

Google ANYTHING on “Coffee dates”. Coffee dates svck, Coffee dates are lame, Coffee dates are boring, or just Coffee dates and you’ll immediately see loads of responses on them svcking azz. It’s a cliché boring been there done that no creativity lame-o date. Activity FTW.

Do you just believe what other people say?

Do you just believe insecure betas on the internet crying about their poor game?

When you are boring anything you do will be boring. That will make your activity boring too.

Men with game can game any woman doing anything.

When you are good with women you can game her the street corner.

Men who are good with women don't make things boring.

Men who know what they are doing turn women on.

The type of date won't matter when you are high value.

Looks like you are reading comments coming from low quality men.

The men blame coffee dates instead of their boring personality.

Get some experience with women to know the date doesn't matter what you do.

Get better game so you don't make a coffee date boring.

Understand what it means to have high value.

Don't always believe what other people tell you.

Learn how to connect with women doing anything.

Your argument is useless.

Only your opinions coming from google that random people posted..

Get some better game.

Then you will know better.

This argument sucks.

 

[Skyline]

I've never been on a coffee date to be honest.

I've only done action, dinner, or scenery ones so far. You know what, I'm gonna go and get a coffee date and see how that goes! Not sure what sane women would turn down coffee along with a guy she finds attractive right?

 

[skinnyguy]

If your objective is to get laid once and never see the girl again, then dating is a waste of time.

 

[dasein]

Coffee dates blow. Yes, I have done plenty. There is always something better to do that is nearly as cheap and easy to plan in the area. Thank god for the internet, lets me plan a date anywhere, anytime, in five minutes. I want to be the guy they tell their GFs, "Yeah, we went by an exhibit at the XYZ gallery, he knows the gallery owner, met the artist, then had a drink and appetizer at the bar of the TrendydeCool restaurant down the street," not the guy they say "we went to Starbucks or Barnes and Noble." And no, it doesn't have to be a gallery or anything high culture, same principle applies to farmer's markets, county fairs or hundreds of events going on in any city on a given day. Especially OLD, and especially when dating hot professional women, there WILL BE everyone from pro athletes to moneybags to even celebrities in the picture trying to take them on expensive trips and buying them stuff. I can beat those guys... for awhile anyway, all I need . But it sure as hell isn't going to happen taking them to the "Frothy Bean" for a latte.

If you are dating mallrats and hoodrats, sure, I guess coffee dates are fine, or just take em home and finger them while you play xbox. If you are a mature professional or want to be perceived as one, ditch the coffee dates.

 

[The411]

OP probably gets one date per year lol

when you date enough women youre gonna realize it doesnt make sense to spend any money on some chick you just met. you'll be broke before you realize it.

which is exactly the point; first dates are for feeling the girl out. i dont care how good looking a girl is, if i feel like the chemistry isnt there, im not gonna waste time/money pursuing.

the word is efficiency. you know youre doin shlt right when you spend next to nothing on a chick and get to feel her insidey parts within a few collective hours of knowing her.

While you’re attempting to spend life meeting chicks in unoriginal coffee shop meets. People like myself are living a much more full life. Others can choose to join in. Or stay in the coffee shop doing their qualifying interviews.

How does an activity date make one “broke”? How does “activity” translate in your mind to “spending money”?

Are you that devoid of any originality other than coffee dates? I choose who I decide to meet. I choose where we're going. Since I'm going there in the first place. Coffee dates are lame. She can go to coffee with her girlfriends. I’ll be living life doing better things I choose to do. I know this must sound weird on planet “Don Juan”.

Trolling sosuave.net is a lame waste of time, unless (or especially if) you are Naughty Ninja

Shouldn’t you be out trolling coffee shops instead of wasting time on “troll” posts you don’t agree with? All those quality hot babes are waiting for you.

Give examples of your activities.

You have friends tag along on your dates?






I value my time spending my time on people worthwhile.

I'm not going to spend my time doing activities with a girl I don't really like.

That is a waste of my time.

I'm going to spend my time doing activities with a girl I like.

I am setting my own plans with the date I choose..

Just like you said you are setting.

Doesn't matter what date I make.

She can come or sit home like you said.

If she likes you she will come.

She will be happy to do whatever simple date you plan.

I don't see your argument working.





Sounds like you need an activity date to present yourself better to distract her.

Connection is based on you and the girl.

It doesn't matter what you do to establish a connection.

Having a coffee date or rock climbing won't matter.

When there is no connection the activity won't matter.

When you are boring any date you have will be boring.

She will still come for a coffee date.

My activity dates are spent on women that I like. Not just any random girl.

Dates are up to the man to decide what he prefers.

You will get a connection drinking coffee or walking down the street.

Your argument is failing.






Your opinion.

How is it boring when the girl is enjoying your company?

Does it really matter what you when she clicks with you?





Do you just believe what other people say?

Do you just believe insecure betas on the internet crying about their poor game?

When you are boring anything you do will be boring. That will make your activity boring too.

Men with game can game any woman doing anything.

When you are good with women you can game her the street corner.

Men who are good with women don't make things boring.

Men who know what they are doing turn women on.

The type of date won't matter when you are high value.

Looks like you are reading comments coming from low quality men.

The men blame coffee dates instead of their boring personality.

Get some experience with women to know the date doesn't matter what you do.

Get better game so you don't make a coffee date boring.

Understand what it means to have high value.

Don't always believe what other people tell you.

Learn how to connect with women doing anything.

Your argument is useless.

Only your opinions coming from google that random people posted..

Get some better game.

Then you will know better.

This argument sucks.

Fortunately I don’t subscribe to the “game” cult hive mind who need to do mental gymnastics over getting their “prize”. I do me. Cool projecting though.

I’ve talked with enough chicks, known enough to know who I’d even bother with in the first place. No need to waste time on doing a coffee interview that I find boring in hopes I get laid like some thirsty mofo who needs some “validation” off some random stranger in some mundane ritual to impress myself.

If you prefer unoriginal coffee dates to show your sparkling personality to impress/qualify/ try to get laid for the least amount you can spend for “quality” chicks so be it. Don’t be surprised when the chick flakes as she would rather go with the other dude rock climbing, to the beach, or to the top of a building in the city, museum, walk in the city, some cool historical place or wherever they feel like going.

I prefer not to waste my time “connecting” over a boring coffee meet. Pvzzy isn’t that important to dudes with better things to do and things going for them. I have things to do. A chick can come. Or not. Simple. It’s not as if my plans were specifically engineered for them to go. I’m already going and have gone by myself, with friends or with chicks. Like it or not.

I’ll put it as basic as can be.

I’m going to the city to check out the top of this building or to this historical place, beach etc. You should come.

You are going to a coffee shop to do a 15 minute “Most Interesting Man in the Coffee shop” with the Pumpkin Spice Latte' Shpeil.

The chick can either go where I’m already going. Or she can go to the boring coffee shop interview. If she chooses the coffee shop with you or would rather go with me? She’s already weeded herself out of people I find boring and I’ve gone to where I’m going regardless.

Enjoy your unoriginal coffee meets brah. Make sure you bring the same above questionnaire with you.

 

[Soolaimon]

Coffee dates blow. Yes, I have done plenty.

When you are boring the date will still blow.

There is always something better to do that is nearly as cheap and easy to plan in the area. Thank god for the internet, lets me plan a date anywhere, anytime, in five minutes. I want to be the guy they tell their GFs, "Yeah, we went by an exhibit at the XYZ gallery, he knows the gallery owner, met the artist, then had a drink and appetizer at the bar of the TrendydeCool restaurant down the street," not the guy they say "we went to Starbucks or Barnes and Noble." And no, it doesn't have to be a gallery or anything high culture, same principle applies to farmer's markets, county fairs or hundreds of events going on in any city on a given day. Especially OLD, and especially when dating hot professional women, there WILL BE everyone from pro athletes to moneybags to even celebrities in the picture trying to take them on expensive trips and buying them stuff. I can beat those guys... for awhile anyway, all I need . But it sure as hell isn't going to happen taking them to the "Frothy Bean" for a latte.

If you are dating mallrats and hoodrats, sure, I guess coffee dates are fine, or just take em home and finger them while you play xbox. If you are a mature professional or want to be perceived as one, ditch the coffee dates.

Guys who are still in High School/College are not mature professionals yet.

Sounds like you need to impress women to get in their pants.

Mature professionals take women ouit to a trendy bar.

The best game you can have is gaming the woman doing nothing.

You don't need distractions and gimmicks to accomplish that.

No need to take a first date to places they haven't earned.

That is reserved for women you actually want to see again.

Why drag a girl around that doesn't deserve your quality time?

You can accomplish the same doing anything.

I’ve talked with enough chicks, known enough to know who I’d even bother with in the first place. No need to waste time on doing a coffee interview that I find boring in hopes I get laid like some thirsty mofo who needs some “validation” off some random stranger in some mundane ritual to impress myself.

Only your opinion.

When you are an attractive man no woman is going to turn you down for any date.

Aren't you doing the same on your activity date?

If you don't want to get laid then don't date women. Hang out with your male friends instead.

If you prefer unoriginal coffee dates to show your sparkling personality to impress/qualify/ try to get laid for the least amount you can spend for “quality” chicks so be it. Don’t be surprised when the chick flakes as she would rather go with the other dude rock climbing, to the beach, or to the top of a building in the city, museum, walk in the city, some cool historical place or wherever they feel like going.

Taking a chick that you don't know to nice places IS impressing her. Don't you get it?

She hasn't earned your time to go to those nice places.

Nice projection btw.

I prefer simple dates that will accomplish the same thing.

I walked down the boulevard with a girl still getting laid later that night.

I prefer not to waste my time “connecting” over a boring coffee meet. Pvzzy isn’t that important to dudes with better things to do and things going for them. I have things to do. A chick can come. Or not. Simple. It’s not as if my plans were specifically engineered for them to go. I’m already going and have gone by myself, with friends or with chicks. Like it or not.

Your argument is useless it's all about what you prefer.

Pvzzy isn't that important.

I'm going on a simple date.

You and the other poster are impressing her going to nice places she hasn't earned yet.

See the difference?

It IS more important you guys.

Lots of projection in these threads from insecure posters.

 

[Desdinova]

Coffee dates are useful when you meet women off dating sites. You haven't officially met yet, so that's what you're doing... meeting her.

If you've already met the girl, then yes, I agree that coffee dates are useless and you should go for an action date.

 

[The411]

When you are boring the date will still blow.




Guys who are still in High School/College are not mature professionals yet.

Sounds like you need to impress women to get in their pants.

Mature professionals take women ouit to a trendy bar.

The best game you can have is gaming the woman doing nothing.

You don't need distractions and gimmicks to accomplish that.

No need to take a first date to places they haven't earned.

That is reserved for women you actually want to see again.

Why drag a girl around that doesn't deserve your quality time?

You can accomplish the same doing anything.

Why even bother leaving your house to meet some chick for coffee for that matter?

Save even more money by having a skype date, cam virtual sex and then you don’t have to waste money on coffee, extra electricity on ironing clothes or washing them, wasting hairspray or cologne, wasting water showering, wear and tear on your sneakers walking, spending on gas, not needing to buy or waste condoms when you can interview them from the comfort of your basement.

While you’re at it don’t even think of having her over your house so she can’t get a read on your finances and or wear your oldest clothes from a consignment shop so you have that extra “gaming” ability of getting those quality chicks. LMAO.

Only your opinion.

When you are an attractive man no woman is going to turn you down for any date.

Cool story bro.

Aren't you doing the same on your activity date?

If you don't want to get laid then don't date women. Hang out with your male friends instead.

In your delusional mind doing something more productive I’d like to do, go, or see = not able to get laid. Hahahaha. Awesome!

Taking a chick that you don't know to nice places IS impressing her. Don't you get it?


She hasn't earned your time to go to those nice places.

Nice projection btw.

I prefer simple dates that will accomplish the same thing.

Going to an interesting place that’s free on my own and a or chick coming or not isn’t trying to impress her. If you are adamant on not doing anything that “might” impress her, take your dates to alley ways.

I walked down the boulevard with a girl still getting laid later that night.

That’s some impressive “game” you innovator you. You still walking down boulevards getting laid? How much did she charge to be your “girlfriend” for the night?

Your argument is useless it's all about what you prefer.

And if she prefers to go with a dude on an activity he’s already going to don’t whine when she flakes.

Pvzzy isn't that important.

I'm going on a simple date.

You and the other poster are impressing her going to nice places she hasn't earned yet.

See the difference?

How did she even “earn” your coffee date? Make her “earn” meeting “The Most Interesting Man in the Coffee Shop” after you’ve spent even less of your hard earned money on a virtual date over skype then typing a field report about it on so suave on how she "earned" meeting for coffee.

It IS more important you guys.

Lots of projection in these threads from insecure posters.

It is more important to do what I feel like doing even without her. And you are correct. You’re doing a lot of projecting as an insecure poster.

Don’t worry about me. You’ve got all those quality chicks lining up to meet you at the coffee shop just knowing you are the exciting man they’ve been dying to meet. :crackup:

 

[MountainSlide]

**** a first date, I just invite them over!

 

[dasein]

When you are boring

I'm not. Coffee shops are.

I -can- get second dates and sex out of coffee shops. I'd -rather- do something fun that gets them juiced up more than that with about the same effort. They f-ck better when properly juiced, elevated, in anticipation guaranteed. Here's another thing for the coffee crowd, when you are going out on a date with a woman who is above average in looks, don't -waste- that sitting on your ass in a coffee shop. Go where OTHER HOT WOMEN ARE. Let them see you out being social. Network. Let bartenders and staff you know see you bringing hot women to their place. Become known as a playboy man about town, and you WILL be that. Image is everything. No juice and image flowing around in the Panera Bread, nosirree. She's not going to the Starbucks bathroom to wipe pvssy juice off her leg, sorry.

Guys who are still in High School/College are not mature professionals yet.

Same exact principle applies. No matter what the state of your career, age or wallet, always leverage your SMV at every opportunity. It took me decades to learn this. There's cheap stuff to do everywhere, all over the net. Always something better than coffee date. If you get a dog from OLD, just do the first stage of the date, usually the cost free stage, and then end it.

Sounds like you need to impress women to get in their pants.

No, I need to get them very wet and anticipating to get the kind of wanton, nasty, abandoned sexual response that differentiates the kind of grade A sex I have from the "picking at the brastrap" timid titty feel struggle lame sex that guys like you get... or rather -might- get one day if your nuts ever fall and you save up enough cash for a $20 crack ho. Any more wiseass comments for me?