Clubbing Alone... a FR

[PRMoon]

So the places I go are basically wh*re houses then?! I meet girls pretty much in the same way at a lot of the clubs I go to but I know for a fact that It's my game that gets me to that point. If it weren't there wouldn't be so many guys beatin their heads against the walls cause they can't get any in a club.

I don't think his convos are in anyway out rageous. His post read like a typical girl responding to a confident guy.

 

[LuckyDevil6]

PRL, if you go to the 1-1000 thread in the high school forum, theres a picture of him.
Why can't you belive that people go out and are good at seducing the ladies? Maybe, just maybe... girls are attracted to looks, and if his stories are true (which I believe they are) then the ladies are probably wanting him.

EDIT: found the picture....
" http://profiles.myspace.com/users/11325585 thats me last year. Not the best picture, not the worst."

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

His actions seem overbearing for the average girl to withstand!! I guess if you are everything a girl wants and you are a stranger then she puts up with your shyt and disrespect!!

Would you let a stranger take your camera and take off with it without putting up a struggle or show concern for your private property???

Sounds iffy, as well as other things he says he does!!

 

[PRMoon]

It's a bachelorette party, getting a hold of a camera isn't that big of a deal. Although walking off with it seems strange, but no inconceiveable. I've walked off with a girls cell phone before (It was an accident, I was drunk) but she still handed it over without even thinking about it.

If you hang out in really crowded areas in a social atomosphere, you're bound to experience things that at one pont you might have thought were inconcieveable. Gotta trust me on that one, I've seen some crazy sh*t and I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Ok, I saw his pic and he is no god as he describes himself to be or as he says women see him as - but he seems to be the kind of guy who shyts around a lot and has the balls to approach..

I think I'm better looking than he at 43 years of age and I'm no way near as an egomaniac as Tony, aka Lorenzo, aka scarface and other names. He is 17 just turned 18 - at 17/18 I didn't have to do all the drama he is doing - my simple approach was always readily accepted and most chased me.

He has a great memory to write all that stuff in his thread and must be a extremely fast typist!

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

I am a 9.0 out of 10. But I carry myself with a great energy and, compared to the 8's I am approaching, I do have a very high value.

Regarding the camera... she handed it to me as a conversation piece. Then she turned with her back to me to talk to someone else... so I walked away. Would you prefer I stand there and take her cold shoulder so that I may return her 5 dollar disposable kodak in a timely fashion?

JT - Thanks for your response! I am posting here with a few questions to really hone my game, so that I am successfully seducing women as attractive(or more) than I am.

DJHawntess can back me up on this, by the way. SoHo (which is where saturdays approaches took place) is NOT an easy lay. Its actually one of the nicest bars in the area - eveyrone is well dressed, many guys wear stuits and girls dresses. The average age is about 24.

PRMoon - There are not many exclusive clubs in buffalo. In fact, I can only think of one - Lotis? The bouncers dont usually ID, they just see if youre the right kind of clientell (economic class) and decide weather to let you in. PRM, where are you from and why is it difficult to get into clubs?

Anyways, Ill reiterate my 3 questions:

1 - How could I have layed Jarlyn?
2 - Any tips for picking up bartenders?
3 - I am very successful with 8's after eyecontact. I do not usually receive eyecontact from 9's, so usually I am unsure of how to approach. If a funny, situational comment comes to mind I am fine... but how do you guys begin sarging girls as good or better looking than you without eyecontact and a smile?

Thanks!

 

[PRMoon]

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI

1 - How could I have layed Jarlyn?
2 - Any tips for picking up bartenders?
3 - I am very successful with 8's after eyecontact. I do not usually receive eyecontact from 9's, so usually I am unsure of how to approach. If a funny, situational comment comes to mind I am fine... but how do you guys begin sarging girls as good or better looking than you without eyecontact and a smile?

Thanks!

1- It's hard to break a girl away from a bridal party unless she's REALLY drunk or in the mood. From my experience with brides mades, after a bit of drinking, some of them get pretty pissed/jelouse that their friend is taking the plunge and they aren't. Hormones are high and they'll usually take the innitiative and take you back to their room or ask if they can check out your place.

In your situation I would have been a bit more foreward with the girl in quesiton. When you two were outside the pizzaria, you should have made plans righ then for you two to hook up. Or attempted to ride back to their hotel with them when they bounced out. There's a fifty fifty shot that an angry bride will A. say you can come along cause your cool and she just wants to leave. or B. Get pissed cause you're tring to game he friend and could tell you to f*ck off. I've seen/had both happen before.

2- Bartenders are questionable targets, I usually try to stay away from them unless I know them from somewhere else. They get hit on by guys all night and it's really there job to be some what accomidating. Being nice could just be the demanor they put up in order to get bigger tips. (I met a bartender chick who got a 10,000 [not a typo] tip cause she was friendly a guy). Overall though I'd say your time is best spent else where, picking up girls who aren't at their job...Though it never hurts to ask for a number, who knows you may come out a winner.

3- I don't know what you mean by "better looking then you" cause looks for guys and girls are worlds apart. Sooo I'll asume you mean "out of your league" and the key is NOT to think they're out of your league. I treat 7's and 9's exactly the same way. Hot girls are hot girls and if your system works with one then there's no reason why it would fail with another. I don't find it necessary to get a straight shot look from a girl, often i'll trade quick glances and the girls will work their way up to full stares. I actually did this last night at one of my local bars. There was a cute asian sitting with the guy who brought her there. I threw quick glances but for the most part stayed in the convo with my room mate and our friend we hadn't seen in a while. After a bit I'd look at her in my peripheral vision and I'd see her staring directly at me. Might be something you want to try.

Now about me...
I'm from Vegas, The hotels have seriously broken into the club market. Celebs are opening them left and right (Shaq, Andre Ag, Paris Hiltion to name a few) Also indusries are opening up clubs too. The Wynn, the newest hotel on the strip with a 2.6-2.7 billion dollar price tag on it is opening up two new clubs by itself. There's Already a Vivid entertainment club where you can dance with actuall porn stars. Hooters is opening a casino, it will have a club and Playboy is opening a playboy tower at the Palms, that will have a club in it as well.

The lines at these clubs are LONG. I waited in line at rain for 2.5 hours a few years ago! You have to pay to get in too!
So one day I just decided that I'm not going to wait in lines and I'm not going to pay to go to clubs. I started making connections, collecting cards, remembering faces and now I NEVER pay but sometimes the VIP line is more of a crowd of people trying to fight there way up to the front. So now I try to get in the exit re entery section which has paid off from time to time depending on who i see in front.

I take my clubbing very seriously. It's like a second job for me, and It defiantly helps out with the ladies. I've met girls at bars outside of the club, soken to them for a while, got to know them then said I'm goin to whatever club. They like laugh and say something like "good luck the line is crazy." Then I take them walk them to the front and we all get in for free. They're usually pretty grateful, and if not, who cares I'm inside there are others in there. Never hurts to do somebody a favor.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

Thanks for youre reply!

1 - I should have pushed sexually a little harder while we were making out. I totally agree I needed to close right at the pizza stand

2 - The reason I ask is, if you refer to the original post about saturday night, this girl is unusually interested. I have NEVER baught a drink from her or tipped her. I simply ask for a tap water w/ ice every half an hour to an hour. She remembered my name and face from three weeks earlier. Ill swing by their early next week and see if I can get to know her before things get busy.

3 - I meant that it is obvious that I use my looks during the approach. The higher I am out of ten compared to the girls hotness out of ten, the more leverage my looks provide. I have found that up to 8.9's I get plenty of eyecontact and smiles, and from there I make a very simple approach. When I see a girl who is a 9.5, she might notice me but not think im anything "special" just based on looks. And because she does not pay attention to me my social proof and generally positive energy do me little good. How should I approach girls in that situation?

VEGAS!!! Thats really cool, Id imagine there would be plenty of really beautiful girls out there! When I say 9.5 in buffalo Im sure it'd be closer to an 8.5 out there! I know in boston girls are quite a bit better looking, on average, than girls here in buffalo. I take it you are over 21?

As far as lines at clubs... there is only one club in buffalo that holds teen dances so ALL the teenagers try and go. There is usually an hour wait to get in. I waited in it once and when I walked in I introduced myself to security. Later in the night I walked back up front to talk to them again. The next time the dance was held I walked past the line, called them by name, one remembered me and let me in ahead of a thousand angry HSers. Is this the kinda **** you mean by networking? Or am I missing something?

In the last few months I have started taking seduction very seriously, so I know how you feel. Are there any clubbing threads in particular you would reccommend I take a look at?

 

[PRMoon]

Yeah if you have a bartender who you suspect is generally interested, then by all means go for it. I had a cute bartender hitting on me not too long ago but I thought she was just doing her job, being friendly and what not so I never moved on it. She stopped working at that bar and I asked one of the waitresses what happened. She told me she got another gig but also said she was interested in me, but since i didn't take the iniative nothing ever happened.

I'm not sure about using your looks as leverage. I think you're just more confident about yourself when you rate yourself higher then other girls. My room mate and I are a pretty good team when it comes to socilization. We're both pretty hot by all means but what really does it for us is our inate ability to act decisively when out. Concidering we have to compete with the local male talent here and 10 million (roughly) out of town guys ever year, we've learned that looking good gets you in the door but what really does it is on the spot decisons. We'll go up to 10's no problem if the conditions are okay. Even if we're not getting a high IL at first, we find ways to work our way in. We both know how to get verbal responses and intrest from girls without them really catching on to what we do. We change our demeanor while talking to them to see if we'll get different responseses. I'm 24 he's 22, we kind of use the high numbers of girls here for almost experimentation.

I've been clubing since I was 17 (fake ID) and I've been clubbing in several states across the country. I still scour the site to find more advice and stuff I can try/use when i'm out and when i'm out I'm always thinking of new things to do.

What you did with the security is EXACTLY what I meant by networking. Once you met the guy and were inside for a while you had the brains to go back and talk to him again so he'd recognize you later. You'd be suprised how many people complain about not getting into clubs or waiting in lines when all it could of taken was something that only involves like 10 mins of your time. You should see the looks people get when I talk to a guy and go in the exit re entry portion of the nightclubs here. People waiting in the VIP line get especially pissed about that, but hey it's all about who you know right?!

There's some good stuff on this site, tips on clubbing. You've esentially got the right mentality and the basics down pat. Now you just have to build off of that base. Do a search, and read some of the experiences, good and bad (learn from the bad ones) and then just practice practice practice. After a while it's like second nature.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
I am a 9.0 out of 10. But I carry myself with a great energy and, compared to the 8's I am approaching, I do have a very high value.

You don't lack self esteem issues which is good and personal energy counts for a lot but it seems you disrespect these girls in some instances and they don't mind? A guess hos tolerate more disrespect than agood girl but if you tried to pull some of your antics on a decent woman she would not look upon you favorably.

Also, you seem to do a lot of chasing and work to get a number - can you get the same result with less time and without being a dancing guru to get their attention? Maybe this is how you young ones get these club hos nowadays but I don't think it is worth the work!

 

[JT47319]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
You don't lack self esteem issues which is good and personal energy counts for a lot but it seems you disrespect these girls in some instances and they don't mind? A guess hos tolerate more disrespect than agood girl but if you tried to pull some of your antics on a decent woman she would not look upon you favorably.

No, you can disrespect ALL girls and get away with it.

The RIGHT way to do it is by being a jerk with a SMILE.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

PRL - I am not at ALL disrespectful to women. I tease them and they enjoy it. Like JT said, what is "rude" and what is "fun" depends on youre deminor. I am very chivilrous, I never swear, I never put my hands on them unless im SURE they want it. I am curious about what you found so offensive in my approaches?

Also, the girls I am approaching are not all ho's, and not all young. They range from prude virgins to ONS material, from 17 - 27 y/o. They arent all from clubs either... in fact... I make a large portion of my approaches situationally at the mall, coffee house, and on campus.

If you think clubbing/dancing is "too much work" than you should download some good dance music videos and take some classes. As soon as you know how to dance and enjoy yourself - youll start to have a lot of fun in the clubs without simply sarging - and women will pick up on that.

Thanks again everyone for youre replies...
Untill next weekend - later!

 

[Robbie]

TonyTheTiger,

You're doing grrrrreat! There are plenty of guys with your looks who are twice your age and don't have half of your skills or success. It's a pleasure reading your field reports. You sound like you have a good idea of what young women are after. You come across as a fun, confident guy, the type who belongs on this forum. It doesn't hurt that you have the looks and athleticism to go along with it.

Keep up with the solid work and keep the reports coming!