Closing (UPDATED)

[Phoenixpua-london]

Closing: ​

What is closing - well it isn’t really closing is it - I mean if it was they you would never see the girl again I think that closing is more like keeping her waiting - now I reckon if you don’t close right then she wont think about you so this makes me think closing is probably the most important part of the interaction.

Now I may be wrong but here we go anyway.

Right most people think of closing as a kiss, number, or shag. Well that is all good but I think we should think more about it.

Closing should be more like what do I have to do to see her again? I think this is why most guys get stood up, and why I have never been stood up on, (tempting fate I know).

When I’m with a girl and we are getting on well, if I decide I would like to see her again I start looking for things to talk about tomorrow, like texts to send etc…

What I try to do is BRING HER IN TO MY REALITY so that all she can think about is me!!! All she can think about is if I don’t call her or meet her she is going to really miss me, so much so she will call me if she needs to.

You see women will call you they are not as scared as guys to do so, however they will only do it if they don’t look desperate so GIVE THEM A REASON. You have to have a reason to call her but you also have to have a backup for her to call you back.

If you are able to do this then it will be like 2 friends calling for a chat. Why not try something like

“oh my god I read this article today and I want to read it to you, I really need to read it word for word to you as it is excellent, tell you what when I call you tomorrow and tell you it.”

Then go away and find something that you think she will like an abstract from a book or whatever – maybe you already have one prepared.

Ok next onto kissing.

I feel that it is so important not to kiss her when she expects it. I always tease her first, like have you ever noticed, women will pull away from you sometimes, then go back in for the kiss? I do the same. It is like; I go in then get a doubt in my head, back off, then look into her eyes and kiss her.

I read a post once that said “just grab her and kiss her don’t complicate things”

Well I kind of agree, you have to just go for it but the way you kiss must be perfect.

Think of it another way if I get a woman to a state that she wants to have sex and we are in a club, I wouldn’t just grab her not ask and just **** her on the dance floor, I would have to wait until we were in a place to do that. So why do so many guys just grab a girl on the dance floor and start kissing them?

Ok here is where it gets good! I thought about this and talked to some of my wing girls.

Conclusion:

As we know most women love to be princesses, or whatever. They want a fairytale life I suppose. Now what my wing girls ALL said to me, 16 of them, was the same thing, they want the man they marry, to sweep them off of there feet with the first kiss.

That doesn’t mean to say that you want to marry every woman u meet, or that you want them to want to marry you.

But if a woman feels this way then surely she would feel more at ease, and sure she was doing the right thing. So again I put this to my wing girls.

They said that if a guy made them feel like this with a kiss, they would be so curious what he was like in bed and also more sure that this could be the guy they could spend there life with.

So I’m thinking to myself, “ok I think we have solved the problem”, however this raised a new issue how do you kiss a woman and make it stick in their brain?

I thought this was going to be the hard part, but actually again my wing girls helped me out. One of them said to me "ok I will kiss you before the end of the night and u will be blown away", I thought ok now she is not attractive, (I feel bad to say this but, I want you all to know I was in no way attracted to her she is a friend but I was up for doing it for the sake of the game.)

Anyway she eventually kissed me, and I must say it made my heart pump.

I was like WTF and actually wanted to kiss her more? My brain couldn’t understand this, it really was strange.

Then she told me how she done it, oh my god was it simple.

She had me convinced that she could kiss me and make it last, and I had convinced myself she couldn’t. By doing this it causes tension, by the thought I had in my head, I knew she was going to kiss me, but I didn’t know when. This made my body exited, so much so that when she eventually kissed me, I had waited and worked for it. Therefore the effect it had on my body was such that I was exited I felt rewarded.

Now this may seem obvious to you guys, but do you ever think about doing this when talking to a woman? Nope we just kiss and hope. In fact if we want to completely satisfy a woman and not be “just another guy” then surely we should all be best kissers, and should all work on this just like we do when it comes to sex etc…

So how do we put this in practice? Well what I thought I would try was this:

When you get to the point where you know she wants you, simply say I bet I could kiss you before the end of the night, and it would blow you away. I thought to myself why complicate it? Keep it simple, do the same as my wing girl done.

But to my surprise this didn’t work??? So again I went back to my girly friends, to find out more.

Whey said to me it needs to be natural, I think you may have been thinking about it to much and women can pick this up (which we know)

I went back in (The field) and I’m pleased to say that I actually found the solution.

Ok how I done it was simply, do what I always do. Lean in to kiss, draw back but before I close I breath in through my nose slightly, to just peak the tension, hold the back of her head, and kiss her, move my hand down her jaw line slightly, lean out look into her eyes, close your eyes, then kiss her a passionately, (by passionately I mean deep breathing through the nose, and French kissing with tongues u should know what I mean) worked a charm!!!

I have tested this like 20 times now with quick sets, so like kiss close in first 10 mins. It worked 18 times out of the 20. I have had chicks calling me instead of me calling them, the others wanting to meet me the next day.

I think this kissing routine can be used in short interactions, as well as long ones. In fact I reckon if you manage to get this tight, then this may get rid of the 7hr rule and even cut it in half. (7hr Rule is the one that it takes 7hrs to get a woman to sleep with you)

The number close:

I also wanted to expand this to not just kiss closing, but number closing. Now as u know, number closes mean more to a woman than a kiss close, and most women find it hard to trust you enough to give you her number. And even when you get the number she still may never call back. Hence the need for text game etc…

I’m going to shoot myself in the foot and try to get rid of text game all together, here is my progress.

So I was thinking along the lines of, I need to get a woman interested enough so that she wanted to talk to me again. Now I hear you say DUHH no **** Sherlock, but are you ever really sure that she will accept your calls or call you???

Demonstration:

I kiss closed a set not that long ago in 4mins. She hooked so well, that she noticed me outside a club, in a queue of over 500 people, as she drove past the club a week later. Now I was dressed quite normal for a guy but granted I do stick out quite a bit as I like my space and I'm 6ft2. Anyway I ran my kissing routine on her the previous week, since then she was always text in and just couldn’t wait to see me, but I never have time so we hadn’t met up.

I had a possible F-close in 20mins of meet but then well summit really funny happened that is in one of my FRS involving the police Lol.

But again she hooked so well that within 20mins she wanted to go to her hotel room with me.

So what I have just shown is that it is possible to do this kissing routine successfully.

However I have yet to master the phone routine, I think the principle is that if you make a huge connection, then she is guaranteed to answer or call you.

So I have been trying things like giving her 10 digits instead of 11 and letting her work for it basically trying to see how far a woman will go to get back in contact with me. Now I have lost allot of chicks because of this, but hay if it makes me better then, speculate to accumulate right?

Anyway what I have found is that you can actually make the number so much less important to her by just doing the kissing routine. Also it is the way u get the number, the best results I have had is when arranging a day 2 in set (more on this later) just say:

“Oh lets exchange numbers now encase we forget later, wow I cant wait it will be so fun.”

What I have also found with number closing a woman, she will only call you if she is REALLY hooked, so if you want to give her your number you should give her a way out, what I mean by this is say to her:

“Ok I want you to text me tomorrow with the letter A, so I can then make a decision if I want to talk to you. If you send me a question then I may not want to answer it, but will feel obliged (smile and say) only joking, text me tomorrow and we will hook up, so anyway this dog I was talking about. (Continue your conversation)”

What this does is, it gets rid of her thinking she is showing too much attraction for you, and also gets rid of the sluty feeling. Because at the end of the day, she is basically saying I want to **** you, or at least I’m thinking of ****ing you.

 

[Phoenixpua-london]

Women don’t want to put their self out like this, so if you want to close it is best to take her number, then in her mind she was just being polite by:

1. Giving you her number.

2. Answering your call. And she just so happened to fall for you on the phone therefore it is ok for her to sleep with you and submit to you.

What I have also noticed is that women always make you wait at least 3 rings of a phone call, in the first few calls, they see your number, register it in there brain, then let it ring some more, then answer.

Women know when there voicemail kicks in!!! So if u know this then you have the upper hand.

I’m a Phone expert at work, and I can tell you that most voicemails kick in between 6 and 10 rings, therefore hang up on 5 rings, never let it go to voicemail.

If a woman is not answering her phone to you, but is watching, she will see you never let it go to voicemail, and will be like what the hell? I have seen this in the field, and the guy didn’t even know he had done it, she called him straight back.

I questioned why, as she had been telling us about him being a creep, like 10 mins before hand.

Also NEVER leave a Voicemail on the first few calls, women HATE them.

This is the ideal way to call a woman without being a creep or needy:

If she doesn’t answer her phone, it is best to send a text along the lines of:

“OMG I can’t believe you ignored my call (that part it vital as she now has to DHV herself as you have lowered her value) I had the best story to tell you and now I’m not telling!!! (This will get her brain like oh yes he will)”

Anyway if she doesn’t reply to you, then I'm sorry my friend but game is over go back to the field and improve your comfort and attraction stages.

Things to point out, NEVER hassle a woman with texts and calls. By this I mean never call more than twice, and never text if she doesn’t reply to you first. You will fall into the creep zone, and there is no way out of that.

Ok so this is all well and good, but how the hell do we do this stuff how do we even get her to this point??? Well here is what I do.

I run my game the same as most guys however I just add more touching, so open with a touch on the shoulder, keep touching her arms and shoulders ask questions like wow your hair looks really shiny what do you use on that? (Touch hair) wow and soft.

Other way to touch hair is: "OMG its ok (whilst holding up her blond hair) I understand", When she says something that is silly.

So basically, Kino and game her, Keep escalating the touching, until SHE makes it sexual, then you mirror what she done. So if she touches your ass u do the same, if she questions it then just say: "what you done it to me, OMG are you sexist???

From there I go direct, escalating more and more raising the body temp then what I do is give her a present WHAT!!! I hear you shout at the monitor. Well this present involves me getting up and going to the toilet, or off to get another drink. That isn’t a present though, well actually it is, why is it a present? Well you are giving her the feeling of missing you, she just had loads of fun, and got really turned on, and you just stood up and left. For all she knows you are never coming back I just stand up say nothing and walk away.

NOTE: It is only good to do this if she is in a group. However you can do this if it is just you and her. If she returns to her group, just say:

“OMG I went away for 2 seconds and you ****ed off, god I’m so going to loose you when we go shopping this weekend.”

Ok so you have returned she will now be like where did you go? Tease her on it say:

“Do you want me to tell you everything I do god you are going to be hard work aren’t you”

Then say so where were we? ah yes you were feeling me up

Then re build the sexual temperature, she will react quicker this time, as she is more comfortable with you. Then you are free to go for the kiss. I usually smell her neck or something, so say:

“Mmmm I love your perfume what kind is it I may get it for my girlie friend. (note girlie not girl she is just a friend not a sexual partner) for her birthday”

Then just take hold of her chin lightly look at her, and slowly move in, if she reacts bad just say:

“Oh my god you are a tease I knew it”

Then say

“Probably just as well cause we shouldn’t be this close anyway”

She will reply with why not just say:

“Cause you are too nice a girl for me actually I don’t think you are”

Then go to kiss again. If she still pulls away say

“Just making sure”

Then move on:

“So what did you have for dinner tonight”

I would usually talk for another 5 mins then say:

“You know what it was nice meeting you, but this is too one sided, and I hate that, I will catch up with you later babe, I have to find my friends”

If she hasn’t kissed you in this 5 mins then all hope is gone why even bother trying. I have left sets before, the woman has came up to me, grabbed me and kissed my face off.

Women hate being rejected, especially when she knows that she was just playing hard to get.

If this is all done right then arranging a day 2 should be easy. If you have been paying attention you will have noticed that I have all ready setup a day 2 with her in the interaction:

“OMG I went away for 2 seconds and you ****ed off god I’m so going to loose you when we go shopping.”

You see I feed little day 2s in her head, I mention shopping together lots in my routines, and conversation also like:

“I bet you make a noise when you drink hot coffee don’t lye I will find out when we go for one”

So if you do this you can then refer back to it say:

“So anyway when are we going to go shopping you have me all exited about that now, I love shopping”

She will arrange this most of the time, and of coarse you get her number from this, you kiss her some more, and I suppose if you want can keep building comfort and attraction, and eventually take her home.

Anyway that is the K-close the number close and the day2 close pretty much sorted, well for night game. As for day game it is pretty much the same but you just have change where appropriate.

The F-Close:

I never F-close until day 3 or after, reason? Sex is so much better, she has worked for it, and if you play the game correct, she will be dying to get you into bed and see your real naughty side, I have also found that women are more open in the bed when you build this “I really know this guy” feel.

So from a day 3 it is simple, invite her round before you go out, or invite her round for dinner or what ever. Anyway get her back you yours, as soon as she walks in give her a kiss, settle her, make out on the sofa, and take her to your/her bed.

If you want to **** her when you meet her or on day 2 then here’s what to do.

On the Meet:

So u have met you have made out in the club, she likes you, u like her, now you have to exclude all thought of sex. What I do is I say:

“OMG I feel so in tune with you, I feel like we got to know each other so fast, I have never felt that way before, it is a shame I'm no aloud to get more intimate with you tonight”

She will ask what you mean or why, reply:

“I never put out on the first night I don’t want women thinking I'm easy, one girl almost got me but I managed to resist, you have to be special for me to have sex with you when we meet”

So women love this, now you have set her a challenge, keep kissing and, well sexual stuff (make sure you do it discreetly)

Then say:

“Babe we need to stop I’m getting to turned on by you, this isn’t fair, you are just teasing me”

Then get to a point where you say **** it I cant hold back I like you to much lets go then make your way to the bed. If you have to travel home to yours or hers then you need to keep the sexual stuff up and keep her comfortable.

It really is best to be back at yours by this point though.


On Day 2:

Here you have to do the same as on the meet lay, but there is no need to disqualify your self, just build up comfort and attraction, lots of sexual tension, and then find an excuse to go back to yours:

“My shoes are really hurting babe, what! I'm a wimp, I know, can we go back to mine so I can change them?”

What woman is going to say no, take her back make out on the couch and, well you know what to do.

I think I have covered most things here in closing. I hope this helps.

Phoenix

 

[Kev07]

Although this brings a whole new meaning to using canned routines, it's quite interesting!

Seems like a bunch of complicated push pull, c&f and a bit of gunwitch thrown in together.


but very interesting way you put it, one of the better threads in a while

 

[Phoenixpua-london]

thank you.

and although i use quotes and say "say:" allot - i encorage ppl to use there own mind. i learnt this for myself and so want ppl to use it swel but add a little bit f threselfs to the interaction.