Christianity and Don Juan Conflict

[antidonjuan]

I am a christian and I am wondering if I can still be a DJ while being a christian and a strong christian faith. The bible clearly indicates that you shall never have sex before you marry. But recently I saw the definition of a Don Juan: a person who is very comfortable with woman. Does that mean I can be a DJ without having sex? What is the real definition of DJ? A person who gets laid often or just a person who is very comfortable with woman? maybe neither? maybe both?

 

[Dank Juan]

Why do you want to be a "Don Juan" without knowing what that means?

 

[Andromax]

Firstly, how old are you?

Secondly, A DJ is a man's man. A man who is so sure of himself he needs no validation from women. A DJ is a man who is not 'afraid' of hot chicks, who is not afraid to stand up for what he believes, and conducts business on his own terms.

Getting laid and getting all the women is just an added bonus.

 

[antidonjuan]

so i can be a DJ without wanting to get laid right?

 

[I-tallionStallion]

absolutely...All the power to you if you can resist the forces of hot women bending over begging you for sex. Its hard as a christian..i know.

 

[KontrollerX]

Being a DJ is finding out who you really are underneath all the AFC muck, learning the DJ ways and teachings and applying them.

Then once you have all of the knowledge you do what you really want in life with that knowledge as your guide.

So if you are a Christian against your will then this is society's shackles you need to cast off to be free so you can do what you want and be a DJ.

However if you are a Christian by choice having fully thought it through alone by yourself with plenty of opposing viewpoints on the religion taken in by you yet still rejected by you as you still find Christianity to be what you truly want in life then sure you can be a Christian and a DJ.

Being a DJ is about freeing your mind in the sense that you learn enough about yourself and enough about life that you don't live for other people's expectations anymore be they male or female but your own.

If people are manipulating you into being a Christian by peer pressure, playing on your emotions or just adult and societal pressure in general by where you live of everyone being Christians then you are not living free but under manipulation.

Its critical that if you are to be both a Christian and DJ these things are both fully your choice and your choice alone.

Sorry for rambling and I hope I got the point across I was intending.

 

[DJ_Matthew]

Why couldn't you be a DJ?

If only I had a dime for every time I recited a part of the Bible and put a smile on her face

 

[antidonjuan]

Being a DJ is finding out who you really are underneath all the AFC muck, learning the DJ ways and teachings and applying them.

Then once you have all of the knowledge you do what you really want in life with that knowledge as your guide.

So if you are a Christian against your will then this is society's shackles you need to cast off to be free so you can do what you want and be a DJ.

However if you are a Christian by choice having fully thought it through alone by yourself with plenty of opposing viewpoints on the religion taken in by you yet still rejected by you as you still find Christianity to be what you truly want in life then sure you can be a Christian and a DJ.

Being a DJ is about freeing your mind in the sense that you learn enough about yourself and enough about life that you don't live for other people's expectations anymore be they male or female but your own.

If people are manipulating you into being a Christian by peer pressure, playing on your emotions or just adult and societal pressure in general by where you live of everyone being Christians then you are not living free but under manipulation.

Its critical that if you are to be both a Christian and DJ these things are both fully your choice and your choice alone.

Sorry for rambling and I hope I got the point across I was intending.

Amen Brother

 

[redspicyflag]

Being a DJ is finding out who you really are underneath all the AFC muck, learning the DJ ways and teachings and applying them.

Then once you have all of the knowledge you do what you really want in life with that knowledge as your guide.

:cheer:

quote material right there

I'm curious ADJ

how old are you?

 

[I-tallionStallion]

Being a DJ is finding out who you really are underneath all the AFC muck, learning the DJ ways and teachings and applying them.

Then once you have all of the knowledge you do what you really want in life with that knowledge as your guide.

So if you are a Christian against your will then this is society's shackles you need to cast off to be free so you can do what you want and be a DJ.

However if you are a Christian by choice having fully thought it through alone by yourself with plenty of opposing viewpoints on the religion taken in by you yet still rejected by you as you still find Christianity to be what you truly want in life then sure you can be a Christian and a DJ.

Being a DJ is about freeing your mind in the sense that you learn enough about yourself and enough about life that you don't live for other people's expectations anymore be they male or female but your own.

If people are manipulating you into being a Christian by peer pressure, playing on your emotions or just adult and societal pressure in general by where you live of everyone being Christians then you are not living free but under manipulation.

Its critical that if you are to be both a Christian and DJ these things are both fully your choice and your choice alone.

Sorry for rambling and I hope I got the point across I was intending.

He said he was strong in his faith...why question and suppose people are manipulating him?

You say he has shackles...i disagree. Those without faith have shackles. But thats a debate i'm not going to participate in because afterall, who wants to believe they are in shackles?

You make Christianity seem like a bad thing...and it definitely seems like you are trying to hurt his faith. That isn't right. Maybe you didn't do it entirely purposely...but are supposing a lot about him and his faith.

Y'know, not many people nowadays are truly strong in faith, infact i believe that to be strong in faith is extremely difficult for younger men...and god bless him for it.

And i really think you don't have to read all the other view points to be a true Christian. There will be many times in his faith, that he will question it, it will impact his life greatly, but if he truly believes it is the truth, he will be fine. There is a lot of poison out there. Many lies of unbelievers.

Being a DJ isn't just about women and learning techniques

its about becoming your own man
its about reaching for your dreams...and actually doing it
it's about standing up for yourself,
its about having self respect
its about having confidence
its about being an individual
its about learning how love works, and how to keep it
its about life......and how to get your sorry ass out of your mom's basement and get you moving in your life

 

[KontrollerX]

"He said he was strong in his faith...why question and suppose people are manipulating him?"

Why not question?

Religion discourages questioning because if one asks too many questions and gets too many answers one might no longer believe in ones particular faith of choice or raising.

We're on the DJ forum here with all the free thinking, logic, questioning and problem solving it entails, we are most certainly not on Christianity.com at the moment so questioning is going to happen quite regularly here.

"You say he has shackles...i disagree. Those without faith have shackles. But thats a debate i'm not going to participate in because afterall, who wants to believe they are in shackles?"

I never outright said he had shackles. He only has shackles of imprisonment on his mind if he's grown up indoctrinated into a religion and not come to a mature decision on being a part of one on his own with plenty of opposing viewpoints to consider before accepting the religion. Its not true faith, belief or love if you've never been given a true choice on the religion and instead had it force fed to you your entire life.

In any case by what I posted I expertly seperated the kind of Christianity he was embracing if his mind was in shackles as opposed to the kind of Christianity he would embrace if his mind was truly free and he had the knowledge to make a decision on it for himself.

My post simply served to identify for him which type of Christianity he is immersed in currently ie free minded belief or brainwashed belief but of course you most likely being a hardcore Christian you either intentionally misread what I said or simply skimmed it over quickly saw the word shackles and formed a quick accusatory assumption of my post.

Honestly if jumping to conclusions were an olympic event I have no doubt you would take home the gold medal.

As for those without faith having shackles yes I know your argument as a former hardcore Bible thumpin Christian myself and it goes something like non believers are slaves to sin and death and thus being slaves we would be in shackles but I'll raise your sin and death argument with the free thinking version and say I believe you Christians are slaves to fear, ignorance and lies and I'll also say that if you were to grow up in a Muslim country or a Hindu country the gods of those religions would be who you worship every day as your one or many true god/s and everyone else who didn't believe in those god/s as the right one/s would be going to the hell of your particular belief system when they die. That or maybe they'd be re-incarnated as a sh!t eating rat or something I don't know.

"You make Christianity seem like a bad thing...and it definitely seems like you are trying to hurt his faith. That isn't right. Maybe you didn't do it entirely purposely...but are supposing a lot about him and his faith."

Well I personally believe it is a bad thing ie a meme ie a mind virus that corrupts the mind of its host like any long lasting religion does but my post in all actuality was pretty even handed despite my own personal negative views on the religion. I propped this young man up that he could indeed be a Christian and a DJ but since becoming both are about a highly personal choice with no outside manipulations forcing a person to become either I told him that he could only be both if these were his decisions alone and it says a lot that he responded favorably to my post. I see nothing wrong with what I said to him and I don't think you would of either if only you'd read more closely and perhaps...slowly before posting your response. Take the whole post in word for word before reacting ya know?

Another thing that really grinds my gears about Christianity is how quickly you all are to abandon your own. Someone in the faith does something deplorable the damage control response is "well they weren't a real Christian" even if this is someone you'd prayed with and worshipped with your entire life and claimed to love like a brother or sister. There are so many sickening things about this religion I can't even list them all here or I'll be here all day and night so I won't. If anyone here is in need of a Bible lesson go read the book of Leviticus and come back and tell me that Christianity is the religion of love and peace on earth.

*Pukes all over the thread in disgust*

"Y'know, not many people nowadays are truly strong in faith, infact i believe that to be strong in faith is extremely difficult for younger men...and god bless him for it.

And i really think you don't have to read all the other view points to be a true Christian. There will be many times in his faith, that he will question it, it will impact his life greatly, but if he truly believes it is the truth, he will be fine. There is a lot of poison out there. Many lies of unbelievers."

Many prominent preachers say untested faith is worthless.

God tested Job and Isaiah and probably many others after all and they passed the test of faith.

Why not the original poster or even you?

Don't you agree with your own god that your faith in him should be tested??

Anyway if the original posters faith in Jesus Christ cannot withstand harsh questioning from secular, atheist and opposing religious sources then it was not very strong faith to begin with. On the other hand if it does stand through honest questioning then I'd say good for him. He'd be one of the few who could really look at his religion with a magnifying glass by reading the Bible fully and closely along with opposing materials and come away still a Christian. Not many can do that. In fact many who are Christians I believe are afraid to do that. Have you ever done this itallion? If you ever want to question your faith and your beliefs infidelguy.com is as good a place as any to start.

"Being a DJ isn't just about women and learning techniques

its about becoming your own man
its about reaching for your dreams...and actually doing it
it's about standing up for yourself,
its about having self respect
its about having confidence
its about being an individual
its about learning how love works, and how to keep it
its about life......and how to get your sorry ass out of your mom's basement and get you moving in your life"

Ummm thanks for re-iterating what I basically already told the guy.

Not really necessary but I guess you get an A+ for effort...

 

[antidonjuan]

:cheer:

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I'm curious ADJ

how old are you?

I'm only in grade 9

 

[antidonjuan]

KontrollerX and I-tallionStallion, who to believe? Well, first of all, I don't think I have any shackles and I have an incredible faith in Jesus (I was a none-believer that's why I possessed so much faith once I believed in it), and I researched about the person Don Juan on wikipedia, he is a women seducer who writes about them!

My shackle is sex, I believe that having sex is wrong before marriage. Aside from the topic of christianity, I am asking you guys Who is a real Don Juan and what does he do? Does he just seduce a lot of woman or be the true man? Both?

 

[I-tallionStallion]

KontrollerX - Your dislike for Christianity is VERY apparent. You proved it in your last post, and i was able to tell from your first one. I read what you said, many times, and the way you said it...and by looking at your last ridiculous rant, you showed your true colors.

I made my point, and you made yours. I was able to see of how you were trying to get at him. And i was right.

His faith will be tested...be sure of that. As was mine. And will continously be tested. This wasn't about if he was being manipulated, but somehow a good majority of your post was about that.

A lot of non christians i meet are bent on making us believers...unbelievers. And it seems all you have to do, is say...I'm Christian. It sad.

I could probably debate with you forever being extremely knowledgable of the bible. But this isn't the place for this. Nor do i have the time. And when someone asks next time if christianity is going to affect him being a DJ...you should have answered with your definition of what a DJ is. That answers the question. No need for you hateful ranting. Just so you know, i have nothing further to say about this.

Antidonjuan - god bless. My answer, is my definition.

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

i'll put it simple.

be the man who can stand up for what you believe in, whether it is jesus or anything else you believe in.

it doesn't all boil down to sex. and if a girl who you picked up wants to have sex and you tell her your belief but doesn't accept it... drop her like its hot, or make her deal with it.

just do what you believe in.

 

[antidonjuan]

Being a DJ is finding out who you really are underneath all the AFC muck, learning the DJ ways and teachings and applying them.

Then once you have all of the knowledge you do what you really want in life with that knowledge as your guide.

So if you are a Christian against your will then this is society's shackles you need to cast off to be free so you can do what you want and be a DJ.

However if you are a Christian by choice having fully thought it through alone by yourself with plenty of opposing viewpoints on the religion taken in by you yet still rejected by you as you still find Christianity to be what you truly want in life then sure you can be a Christian and a DJ.

Being a DJ is about freeing your mind in the sense that you learn enough about yourself and enough about life that you don't live for other people's expectations anymore be they male or female but your own.

If people are manipulating you into being a Christian by peer pressure, playing on your emotions or just adult and societal pressure in general by where you live of everyone being Christians then you are not living free but under manipulation.

Its critical that if you are to be both a Christian and DJ these things are both fully your choice and your choice alone.

Sorry for rambling and I hope I got the point across I was intending.

After a long period of reading and analyzing, I will tell you what I think:
I disagree with you, although I am small but I personally think that what you said was entirely wrong.

First of all, I think that after you believe in Jesus, you need to live in the rules of God (that is, the bible and commandments). The society today is somewhat against the rules of God because men like to do whatever they want. I believe in Jesus Christ and I have to do what God is telling me to do. If God tells me to do something and I don't do it, God will judge me on my actions. I think that to be a REAL christian, you have to believe in Jesus Christ truthfully inside your heart and live up God's rules. I told you that I have incredible faith and i am not manipulated by the society, doing whatever I want and freeing my mind is not God's words at all! I think that Christians have to live up to what God demands men to do, but doing whatever men wants to do. True, God gave us free wills but he also created his set of demands for men so that they can follow him.

For the most part of your point, I somewhat agree to an extent, but the last paragraph just blew me away. Are you trying to convince me that I am being manipulated to be a Christian? From your last paragraph, I find it very disturbing.

 

[antidonjuan]

He said he was strong in his faith...why question and suppose people are manipulating him?

You say he has shackles...i disagree. Those without faith have shackles. But thats a debate i'm not going to participate in because afterall, who wants to believe they are in shackles?

You make Christianity seem like a bad thing...and it definitely seems like you are trying to hurt his faith. That isn't right. Maybe you didn't do it entirely purposely...but are supposing a lot about him and his faith.

Y'know, not many people nowadays are truly strong in faith, infact i believe that to be strong in faith is extremely difficult for younger men...and god bless him for it.

And i really think you don't have to read all the other view points to be a true Christian. There will be many times in his faith, that he will question it, it will impact his life greatly, but if he truly believes it is the truth, he will be fine. There is a lot of poison out there. Many lies of unbelievers.

Being a DJ isn't just about women and learning techniques

its about becoming your own man
its about reaching for your dreams...and actually doing it
it's about standing up for yourself,
its about having self respect
its about having confidence
its about being an individual
its about learning how love works, and how to keep it
its about life......and how to get your sorry ass out of your mom's basement and get you moving in your life

I want to have these men characteristics and to be your definition of a DJ but the forum is all about attracting woman and seduction and sex and tecniques! Please tell me why that is the case if a DJ is about being a true men and not about women # techniques.

 

[Nighthawk]

Some other things The Bible says not to do

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a *****, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)


Good luck with all that. And no masturbation either of course.

 

[antidonjuan]

Thats the old testament, I'm talking about Jesus Christ and we don't need some of the rules because of Jesus, things changed when Jesus died

 

[Bible_Belt]

The bible clearly indicates that you shall never have sex before you marry.

No, it doesn't. Your pastor will very clearly tell you not to, but the Bible says no such thing. Jesus said to not be 'sexually immoral' and left it at that. Paul's letters in Corinthians have been interprted as a ban on pre-marital sex, but he was writing those letters to a people known for having wild pagan orgies. They used prostitute priestesses and sex as part of their pagan worship, which is mostly why Paul is so against 'fornication.'

I would challenge anyone who thinks the Bible includes a ban on pre-marital sex to find those words in the actual book. Here is a link to search:
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/

Read the Song of Solomon. Sex, in and of itself, is not bad or dirty. But like anything else, taken to extremes it can be a bad thing. Similar to alcohol, it can be used or abused. Most people can handle it, others destroy their lives with it. It's what you do with it that matters.