Christian Don Juan?

[Theunique1]

I'm actually 24, but feel as though I'm at a different stage in life than most my age. My situation is kind of unique. By faith, I'm a Christian, I had a "born-again" experience at age 21 while I was partying it up big time at Florida State University. I'm not trying to start some kind of religious debate, but the life of following Christ is something I completely and totally make my number 1 priority. This brings up some interesting questions.
I know "the game" and had been actually reading on this site long before my salvation experience. Yes, I have been totally celibate for 3 years and am determined to wait until I find the right girl, who by nature would also share the same faith. I'm wondering if I'm at a disadvantage here or if this life and passion that I live actually agrees with all the DJ priniciples....challenge, confidence, talking and focusing on others and not self. What I'm really trying to find out here is whether I should treat Christian girls the way it is taught here to treat most women, or if they are different. Any thoughts?

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

I see no disadvantage.
If anything, you have something that many aspiring DJs lack. Conviction, dedication, and passion.

There are MANY worthile women that share the same beliefs as you.

Don't rely on the tactics here to work on dedicated christian girls. However, I will guarantee the attitudes preached here will work.

Living in Utah (70% mormon) I've met alot of really sheltered, dedicated, faithul mormon girls. Even gone out with a couple.

They can be tough nuts to crack (I do not even bother nowdays.)

I will tell you the key is calibration and your ability to read women.

Some, you can start off treating like any horny coed and tone down based on calibration. Others will take very sincere offense and immediately view you as a creep.

The thing to remember is most of them have been raised to view sex as something bad and dirty (not in a good way either ) This can seriously inhibat a man's natural game of seduction. Even if you're goal is not to get laid.



Just be prepared to have alot of patients.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Theunique1,



Welcome IN, dude. I was a LONG time lurker myself before my first post.lol

Glad to see another "believer" added to the ranks of the Sosuave Army. I'm a Christian too, although you wouldn't know it by SOME of the things I've posted. LOL

But that's neither here nor there. The answer to your question is YES. The DJ principles will work on Christian women as well the non-christian. My experience has taught me that ALL women are pretty much the same at their CORE. How much of certain qualities they have in their character usually determines HOW you should interact with them.

I've found that MOST Christian chicks go for the same "bad boy/rebel" behavior that non-christians do. I've also found that they are also just as turned off by the "butt-kissing/overly nice guy" type of behavior as non-christians girls are too. The men that they crave and the men that they avoid are GENERALLY the same. So there you have it.

Check out my post on FREAKS, HOES, and GOOD GIRLS in this thread for more details on how I see it.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=109169&highlight=Freaks


Once you figure out what the core character trait a particular girl you're interested in is operating with, you'll be better able to develop a strategy "just for her". This often takes some time. The best way to determine who a babe really is on the inside is actually done by making sure you are having enough EXPOSURES to her.

Once that's determined, you should be focusing on TWO things:

1. Practicing the art of KNOWING "which" techniques to use with that particular woman.

and

2. Practicing the art of KNOWING "how much and/or how many" of the techniques you need to use with that particular woman.


THE VICTORY UNLIMITED VIEWPOINT:

The Christian Bible MOSTLY teaches us the best ways to interact with women in their most receptive, enlightened, and spiritually in-tuned states in order to get the best relationship results.

However, Sosuave & the DJ Bible MOSTLY teaches us the best ways to interact with women in their most unreceptive, unenlightened, and spiritually out-of-tuned states in order to get the best relationship results.

I've found that the knowledge here has really helped me understand the NECESSITY of embracing my whole manhood----the spiritual as well as THE PHYSICAL. In our little quarrantined Christian culture, I believe that too much time is spent stressing the moral solution that SHOULD work, rather than the more gritty and NATURE-al solution that actually DOES work.

So as much as my Idealism has suffered as a result of the truths I've learned on here, I cannot deny that the impact these truths have been ULTIMATELY rewarding and FREEING.

Consider this:

Marriage is a spiritual union entered into through PHYSICAL means. And as a result, to be TOO heavenly minded in our quest to better understand and relate to women can quite possibly make us of NO EARTHLY GOOD.

Our approach should be HOLISTIC in nature. We need to always have our feet planted firmly in BOTH realms in order to better our chances of success.

So my personal advice to you my friend is to fight the INEVITABLE temptation to look at practicing the DJ principles as "cold and manipulative". Instead, look at it as a necessary fact of life while we're down here on this imperfect, fallen earth dealing with other imperfect, fallen people.

Women are usually more adept at navigating thru the emotional wave of male/female relationships and arriving at the otherside GENERALLY unscathed. This is because playing "relationships" has usually been more than just a hobby with them, it's usually a way of life that they have lived since early childhood.

However, we as men are usually not trained from an early age at how to deal with relationships. So as a consequence, we are often blindsided and wrecked by the emotional upheaval that WOMEN in failed relationships can often survive relatively unscathed. This is why this site is so important, as I assume you already know because you've already been here reading awhile.

But again, all women are GENERALLY the same. Your mission, soldier, is to find the one that is of "good enough" quality whereas the amount, and frequency of the more hardcore DJ tactics you will have to employ will be the most minimal.




March on.

 

[Theunique1]

Wow bro,

Thanks for the encouraging and very helpful message. I will take all of it to the bank. You're right on in what you said about how women can cope with the broken relationship thing better than men. When I've dated "worldly" women, the ending doesn't hurt...but to find a godly woman and have it not work out, can be pretty devastating. My attitude as of right now is to become the man that God designed me to be, reaching towards my God-given potential. Basically, it seems like this is what this site is all about. It's not about us, and in addition, it's not about the women who attract us...it's about HIM. A DJ, correct me if I'm wrong, is a man who enjoys life, does everything at the highest capacity and does not make women his only passion in life. From this view, a true Christ follower should be a natural DJ. So then brother, being that our desire is to be "equally yoked", what type of practical everyday life attitudes and activities should we and do you embark on to allow God to bring you that one special someone?

P.S. The whole "no sex" thing puts a whole new spin on things, doesn't it?

 

[Freddy1]

I'm actually 24, but feel as though I'm at a different stage in life than most my age. My situation is kind of unique. By faith, I'm a Christian, I had a "born-again" experience at age 21 while I was partying it up big time at Florida State University. I'm not trying to start some kind of religious debate, but the life of following Christ is something I completely and totally make my number 1 priority. This brings up some interesting questions.
I know "the game" and had been actually reading on this site long before my salvation experience. Yes, I have been totally celibate for 3 years and am determined to wait until I find the right girl, who by nature would also share the same faith. I'm wondering if I'm at a disadvantage here or if this life and passion that I live actually agrees with all the DJ priniciples....challenge, confidence, talking and focusing on others and not self. What I'm really trying to find out here is whether I should treat Christian girls the way it is taught here to treat most women, or if they are different. Any thoughts?

In some ways different (as you dont plan on sleeping with them). Being "nice guy" might work in your situation.
The confidence part is good for all guys of course.


(off topic: been in a cult with my situation. so now I'm more critical of various religious groups. not to get a debate about religion or anything. I've been celibrate for years. And I do mean years! now I think it was waste of my youth. not worth it in my opinion. life is too short. youth lost.. will never come back)

 

[Freddy1]

P.S. The whole "no sex" thing puts a whole new spin on things, doesn't it?

I dont think a DJ seduction forum would be too helpful.
Maybe a 'relationship forum' might be more suited for your liking??? (just a helpful suggestion).

 

[squirrels]

As far as Christianity goes, I try to look past the verbatim interpretation and figure out the meaning behind it.

The original ten commandments forbid adultery, but don't directly forbid fornication. I think the "sin" behind sex is when you let an obsession of it take a higher place in your life than your relationship with God...i.e. you do things that are decidedly un-Christian in an effort to just "get laid".

The funny thing is that a lot of the "techniques" taught here are really just tips for those NOT connected spiritually so they can emulate those who ARE. Things like confidence, energy, enthusiasm, charisma...these can all be achieved by a better relationship with the divine inside of you.

You may want to look for a book called, "The Power of the Subconscious Mind" by Joseph Murphy. Might be a good read and may shed some light on the meaning behind some of those Bible verses.

The thing I've noticed about most born-agains is that too many of them act out of a selfish fear more than anything. It's the whole, "kiss God's ass, don't drink, don't fornicate, and convert all your friends unless you wanna go to HELL!!!" mentality that bugs me. Jesus's message wasn't one of fear and punishment. There's a difference between following scriptures and understanding them. Same difference between being religious out of fear and being religious out of love.

Same difference between praciticing all these "Don Juan tactics" and actually becoming a Don Juan.

 

[MetalFortress]

I'm actually 24, but feel as though I'm at a different stage in life than most my age. My situation is kind of unique. By faith, I'm a Christian, I had a "born-again" experience at age 21 while I was partying it up big time at Florida State University. I'm not trying to start some kind of religious debate, but the life of following Christ is something I completely and totally make my number 1 priority. This brings up some interesting questions.
I know "the game" and had been actually reading on this site long before my salvation experience. Yes, I have been totally celibate for 3 years and am determined to wait until I find the right girl, who by nature would also share the same faith. I'm wondering if I'm at a disadvantage here or if this life and passion that I live actually agrees with all the DJ priniciples....challenge, confidence, talking and focusing on others and not self. What I'm really trying to find out here is whether I should treat Christian girls the way it is taught here to treat most women, or if they are different. Any thoughts?

Sure. I mean, there are problems when it comes to if you want to just get laid all the time, but in general terms of how to treat women, true DJ principals are more Christian than even being a nice guy, because it should be about being a genuine person and a gentleman but not being walked on - not just being nice to get people to like you, and being too wimpy to fight back. Jesus Himself had no qualms about putting people who got out of line in their place.

I treat women the same generally - Christian girls are more comfortable with you when you just be normal, and not try to walk on egg shells. I mean, it works the other way, too - I'm generally more comfortable with someone if they don't try to walk on eggshells around me because I'm Christian. I'll still laugh at dirty jokes or bigoted humor, talk about guy stuff (beer, girls, cigars, sports, racing), and whatnot. Being Christian doesn't mean being boring.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Jesus's message wasn't one of fear and punishment.

Think about this, Squirrels...Why would Jesus go through the torment that He did if God's punishment was not real?

Here are a few examples of Jesus message of punishment:

Matthew 5:22, “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

Matthew 10:28, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Matthew 13:40-42, “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 23:33, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

Matthew 25:41, “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”

Matthew 25:46, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

Mark 9:43-48, “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

The meaning of scripture cannot be "figured out". It is revealed by the Holy Spirit to those who submit themselves to the authority of God. Those who don't are left to "figure the meaning behind scripture", as you say. We are either our own moral authority or we submit to God as our moral authority. The consequences of defining a god that makes us feel comfortable are severe.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Jesus's message wasn't one of fear and punishment.

I agree; the Pharisees had plenty of that going on already. I see Jesus as being more about compassion, forgiveness, and caring about the lowliest people whom no one else cares about. The Pharisees were too concerned with following the small rules, and missed the bigger picture. Religion is more than dogma.


The whole "no sex" thing puts a whole new spin on things, doesn't it?

Not all Christian women are against sex. I recently met one who isn't, and we have been having a good time. She even got me to go to church. Our relationship does not feel wrong; it's hard for me to see it as immoral. Jesus said not to be "sexually immoral," but he did not define the term. I think the definition of what he meant is open to interpretation.

 

[Freddy1]

(not directed at anyone in particular) Theunique1 didnt want us to start a debate with religion. Could we just kindly leave religion (per say) and preaching out of the discussion.

 

[drjekyll]

I'm actually 24, but feel as though I'm at a different stage in life than most my age. My situation is kind of unique. By faith, I'm a Christian, I had a "born-again" experience at age 21 while I was partying it up big time at Florida State University. I'm not trying to start some kind of religious debate, but the life of following Christ is something I completely and totally make my number 1 priority. This brings up some interesting questions.
I know "the game" and had been actually reading on this site long before my salvation experience. Yes, I have been totally celibate for 3 years and am determined to wait until I find the right girl, who by nature would also share the same faith. I'm wondering if I'm at a disadvantage here or if this life and passion that I live actually agrees with all the DJ priniciples....challenge, confidence, talking and focusing on others and not self. What I'm really trying to find out here is whether I should treat Christian girls the way it is taught here to treat most women, or if they are different. Any thoughts?

I am also a Christian. To be honest, I find myself attracted to Christian and non-Christian women. My only issue would be simply that I wouldn't want to compromise anyone's faith. I know that several women (and men also) go in for the "no sex before marriage" thang, and that's fair enough. From my point of view though, I believe that Christ's core message about sex was one of personal responsibility and compassion.

I do intergrate this into my 'game' - indeed, it forms the core of what I do. I believe that nobility is the most attractive quality a man can have. Nobility is compassion and strength combined.

The critical problem with the nice guy is not that he is nice, but that he is weak. Morality in and of itself is precious and wonderful - and critically important if you are to lead a fulfilling life, regardless of what you believe.

But it needs to be backed with strength. Don't be a nice guy. Nice guys finish last. Don't be a bad boy. What woman would want to be with a boy?

Be a good man. It's hard and it's scary, but it is so massively worth it, and the rewards, in terms of attention from the opposite sex, are vast.

Ever Yours

Jekyll

 

[DJ_in_making]

Alright man, whatever your choice is stick to it! You'll find the right chick.

The thing that I have observed though is that Christian girls are just as freaky as regular girls. If not worst! Have you ever heard of "PK syndrome?"

Anyway, don't treat them any different, they have the same biological impulses that cause attraction as any other girl. btw, what was ur "born-again" experience if you don't mind sharing.

 

[DarkLight]

We are either our own moral authority or we submit to God as our moral authority. The consequences of defining a god that makes us feel comfortable are severe.

Says who?!
The same people/information that conditioned you into such a line of thought?

I feel sorry for anyone who adopts a structured perception of reality in the guise of calling it a "religion." Religion should be the anti-thesis of that. An opening, allowing, and dissolving of definitions... to understand the totality of this infinite mystery.

When someone deems this is "right" or "wrong"... they themselves have already inprisoned themselves into a position of misunderstanding. How can you isolate an incident, when life itself is interconnected and always changing through time? You see what I'm saying now?

I'm all for the rieghtous intentions of exploring our divinity. But through such limited, and ignorant perspectives... my natural intelligence just cannot NOT be intelligent.

Which leads me to my opinion on being a "xxx" DonJuan.
To be an "anything" DonJuan... is against my understanding of what a DonJuan is. My understanding of a DJ is one who has transcended all identity into his greatest potential. He no longer is shackled by perspectives of conditioning, that were given to him by "others." He is a radiant sun of his essence, pure spirit, un-touched. As soon as you bring in any structure of translation, and put that on top of his light... your now skewing the beauty of his freedom. And that freedom, that power, infinite and unlimited... is the glory and definition of a DJ... in my eyes.

(Note: Such glory is not of the "self"... nor is it given credit to a "believed" higher power... its is the unbridaled pulse of life itself. Now if you want to call that GOD, cheers. But the actual path of Christianity itself blocks the result its trying to realize. Transcendance to such a state isn't attained through belief, it is attained through the letting go of such walls to then see. For how can man know, if he is holding uncertainties like "belief." The only path to liberate a man into his glory of freedom, becoming a DJ is... unstructed, unlimited, and infinite: TRUTH)

The issue enters when someone wants you to "believe" something is truth, and more importantly, if you accept it.

So I cannot, in my understanding of life see the two as a possibility.
Your either "xyz" (believing a structure, limiting your infinite nature)
...or a DJ (undoing the structures, and realizing your infinite nature)

Peace my Bruthaz'

 

[Sun Tzu]

Says who?!
The same people/information that conditioned you into such a line of thought?

Peace my Bruthaz'

I used to be quite the philospher myself. I decided to read the Bible in order to eliminate it as a serious source of truth.

Much to my surprise, and against my expectations and desires, that black, "dead-seeming" book became literally alive and provided me with clarity that I had never experienced before. I can definitely say that I was not "conditioned", as you say; rather, I took the bull by the horns and investigated for myself, again, with the intent of disproving it. Now this book is an absolutely inexhaustable source of truth in my life.

The Bible is repulsive, though, to the average man, is it not? Why? Because it requires man to repent and to relinquish his insistence on defining a harmless and impotent god.

The philospher trusts in himself and calls himself "god" (or "divine"). The man of God humbles himself and acknowledges that he knows nothing of truth and therefore relies on the mercy of God to reveal truth to him. The philospher reviles the man of God, for he reviles anyone who even suggests that he must answer to a higher authority.

All men of God were once philosphers. They all have lived in both camps; have seen both sides of the coin. They have all found that truth is revealed in humility and hidden from the proud.

 

[Cod3r]

Sun Tzu wow, check your PM and great posts bro, seriously !



-Cod3r

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I too am a born-again Christian that has gone to different churches in the past, and I can say that for the most part, the posters here are right on target of saying all women are the same at their core. I just never have any luck when my mom is always beside me, with Christians or non-Christians alike, and part of the principles is to have independent social networks from parents to succeed better.

Heck, I left a church because I was AMOGed by another guy on a target (a hb 10+ Indian babe model), and he banged her while I was sending a bunch of emails to her and getting nowhere. I tell you it happens everywhere.

 

[DarkLight]

I used to be quite the philospher myself. I decided to read the Bible in order to eliminate it as a serious source of truth.

Much to my surprise, and against my expectations and desires, that black, "dead-seeming" book became literally alive and provided me with clarity that I had never experienced before. I can definitely say that I was not "conditioned", as you say; rather, I took the bull by the horns and investigated for myself, again, with the intent of disproving it. Now this book is an absolutely inexhaustable source of truth in my life.

The Bible is repulsive, though, to the average man, is it not? Why? Because it requires man to repent and to relinquish his insistence on defining a harmless and impotent god.

The philospher trusts in himself and calls himself "god" (or "divine"). The man of God humbles himself and acknowledges that he knows nothing of truth and therefore relies on the mercy of God to reveal truth to him. The philospher reviles the man of God, for he reviles anyone who even suggests that he must answer to a higher authority.

All men of God were once philosphers. They all have lived in both camps; have seen both sides of the coin. They have all found that truth is revealed in humility and hidden from the proud.

Let me start this off first with... I respect you.
You speak from an intelligent perspective, and anyone that is aware of and ignowledges SunTzu... gets a nod from me.

With that said... I think you misinterpreted my position. I'm not a philosopher. Nor do I engage philosophies. As you said... been there done that. My expression was not of a self-reightous arrogance, unafraid to surrender to a higher power. On the contrary... what I was trying to elaborate was quite similar to what your saying. The dissolution of self, into the "source" (God, if you prefer) is the path to freedom, truth, enlightenment.

A slight digression between us here, is the idea that GOD is seperate from you and I. My understanding is simply GOD is life, and the source from which life emanates and returns. GOD is ALL. Call that all Conciousness, call it shunyata, call it nothingness, space, truth, whatever. But... God is... and I am not. And to clarify that even more... I am just an personal misunderstanding of the mind, an illusion. Thus the necessity to transcend the self and all the structures its made of. This is where the issue at hand comes in.

Christianity, along w. most other organized religions, fix you into a bind. They tell you to submit to the beyond, yet still hold onto worldly notions, such as beliefs. They tell you to surrender, but the same time, embrace fixed structures of conditioning. Specifically... THEIR structure, and the tenants that make it up.

My position is one of ultimate transcendance. If you need a name to understand my position better, Zen will do. Empty yourself (ideas/beliefs and all... to realize that which is beyond the limited structures of mind and man). So in other words... its in total parallel with your perspective of humility. Actually... its the extreme most example I could think of in that regard. Letting go of oneself to the higher power to be revealed as truth. So to speak.

So you see... its not a filter of philosophy thats causing issue with me here. Its the quandary that organized religion puts a man into. One will never realize the infinite unconditioned, unbound nature of ones soul... if he is still holding onto the mental structures taught to him by man. Wether such structes be labelled "divine" "holy" or whatever. The label doesn't matter... the limits do.

What I find really interesting here, besides your misunderstanding of where I was coming from... is that we're pretty much on the same page. I hope my clarifications here, illuminate that. On that note...

As above so below.
Respect'