Chivarly Died In The Gadren Of Eden

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Chivalry Died in the Garden of Eden
July 09, 2006
Vox Populi
By Marc Rudov

by Marc H. Rudov

Entitlement, Ad Nauseam

Hardly a day goes by without the birth of yet another article, written by a disillusioned woman, bemoaning the dearth or death of chivalry. The crux of each screed is: “Why should we pay for dinners? We’re women, after all, entitled to special treatment! What happened to tradition?” The scribes of these whining editorials, ranging from editors of college newspapers to Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, don’t seem to grasp how much they diminish themselves—and all women—with attitudes rooted in double-standard nonsense: demand for equality in the workplace and privileges outside of it.

I recently appeared on MTV Live, originating in Toronto. The subject was manners in dating. MTV’s definition of manners? How men should treat women. No thought about how women should treat men. This is akin thematically to the articles about chivalry: what women unilaterally expect, demand, and are entitled to receive from men. Never any mentions of how women should reciprocate to men, other than showing up to enjoy themselves. Enough already. Grow up, girls.

East of Eden

The third chapter of the Book of Genesis contains the universally known story about Adam and Eve. Essentially, this story teaches us about making choices and dealing with their consequences—in other words, living as adults.

Adam lived in the Garden of Eden, where G-d totally protected him and prescribed his activities—much as a child is raised. G-d instructed Adam to eat freely from the Tree of Life but never from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam obeyed, at first. Knowing that successful stories require conflict, G-d created Eve and then the serpent. True to form, the crafty serpent easily convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. Eve, in turn, persuaded Adam to partake of it as well. As a consequence, G-d banished them from the coddled safety of the Garden of Eden to the unprotective real world.

The common perception of the Adam and Eve story is one of disobedience, curses, sins, and punishment. I, however, don’t accept that slant, preferring instead the interpretation of Rabbi Harold S. Kushner, author of the world-famous When Bad Things Happen to Good People. Kushner teaches that, by obtaining the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve became “human.” They irreversibly elected adulthood, freedom of choice, and accountability, precluding afterwards a return to the pampered, entitled life of ignorant bliss.

Upon leaving Eden, Adam and Eve lost their immortality via the Tree of Life, being required instead to procreate and navigate the pains and challenges of parenthood. They would have to live “in the valley of the shadow of death,” possessing the daily knowledge of their mortality. Adam learned that, henceforth, he would earn a living “by the sweat of his brow.” Knowing Right vs. Wrong separated Adam and Eve from the animals and made them responsible for the first time—a depth they didn’t have in paradisiacal Eden. This abrupt change enhanced, not diminished, their lives. On the contrary, living forever like a protected, spoiled, entitled child is a punishment, not a reward.

Choices

The Garden of Eden lesson is that life is about choices. Yet, as an author and radio guest who has contact with men and women from all over the world, I know firsthand that this lesson is lost on the women who constantly decry the dearth or death of chivalry. Too many females simply don’t accept the premise that, once they leave their parents’ “Gardens of Eden,” they are choosing the responsibilities and accountability of adulthood. Unfortunately, these coddled, entitled women want the double standard of one foot in the real world—college degrees, big salaries, home ownership—and one in the garden of special privileges—presumed wining & dining, child custody, etc. Such a woman wants to achieve and to be taken care of. But, life doesn’t work that way.

What is this chivalry these entitled women so crave? I define chivalry as benevolent sexism, or BS, a one-way street of largesse from men to women. Men extend chivalry not out of respect but as a condescending means to an end, and that end occurs in the bedroom. Chivalry differs from civility, which is a two-way street of considerate, generous behavior. Civility is bereft of gender-based entitlement; chivalry is all about gender-based entitlement.

Just as Eve made a fundamental choice about life, so, too, must women in today’s world choose: deferential treatment or respect. They can have one or the other, but never both. Women who want chivalry and also believe chivalrous men respect them as peers are kidding themselves. In an era when a woman can become anything she wants and earn as much as she wants, if she also expects men to finance her social life, she is beyond audacious. She’s rude and narcissistic.

A demanding woman can succeed only if men cater to her demands. A woman cannot get special treatment from the bank, the IRS, the car dealer, the restaurant, the hotel, the airline, the grocery store, the doctor, or the health club. Why should she get it from men? She shouldn’t. But, if a man accords her special treatment, it’s because by demanding it she has reduced herself to a sex object. And, that’s really how he views her. Their so-called relationship then becomes based on legalized prostitution, not respect.

No-Nonsense Bottom Line

If women want to gain respect amongst men, they must leave the Garden of Eden permanently, with both feet in the real, tough world. They must stop demanding chivalry, act like peers, and treat men like peers. This critical behavioral change does not make women less feminine and men less masculine. It makes them peers—equal in intelligence, capability, and potential—with different sex organs and complementary styles. The next time a woman writes a plaintive article about the lack of chivalry, I recommend that the rest of you request that she stop her whining—which hurts all of you.

Men who are tired of double-standard chivalry demands can end them today: stop tolerating them. Women have higher sex drives than men; so, don’t use getting laid as an excuse. Once you defer to her nonsense, you create an irreversible, negative, lopsided, destructive dynamic that endures the life of your time together. If she insists on keeping one foot in the Garden of Eden, you can walk away. After all, life is about choices, isn’t it?

About the Author

Marc H. Rudov is an investment banker and business consultant residing in Silicon Valley, CA. He is the author of 20 articles and the book, The Man’s No-Nonsense Guide to Women: How to Succeed in Romance on Planet EarthTM (ISBN 0974501719), which is distributed by BookWorld Companies (www.BookWorld.com).
 

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Chivalry is a reward to women during a time when women had respect for men.
 

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Interesting article, but I'm going to put another twist on things....

Chivalry is very much alive today. But there are two problems that exist. Number one, there is no need for chivalry as a result of feminism. Number two, women want chivalry on THEIR terms.

Now, you're going to ask me, "How is chivalry alive today?" It's alive via the nice guy. The AFC. The boy who watched way too many Disney movies as a child. He was taught the proper way to treat a woman in the 1940s, and is shown that it should be applied to the women of today.

Many men still open doors for women, pay for their meal, fix their car, carry them over mud puddles, give up his jacket so she can stay warm, open car doors, pull out chairs, etc, etc. Now, since all of this still exists today, why the hell are women b1tching about it?

Chivalry belongs to the nice guy. Women want a man who not only does all this crap for her, but wants to feel attracted to him. Unfortunately, they're not attracted to nice guy. They're attracted to the "jerk". The "jerk" normally doesn't bother with chivalry. He uses the woman however he pleases, and then tosses her away. Since women are attracted to non-chivalrous men, they form the conclusion that chivalry has completely disappeared from society.

Feminism has killed chivalry. It eliminated the need for it. It feminized the men who use chivalry. Now, men are stuck masturbating every night, wondering why their romantic gestures don't attract women, and women are b1tching about how nobody uses chivalry anymore.

The times have changed. People need to adapt to the change.
 

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I don't care what some of you believe! I have too much self respect, to resort to treating people like animals--including females. What does being polite have anything to do with being a "nice guy?"

Real men do what they want, without second guessing themselves!
 

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chevelle said:
I don't care what some of you believe! I have too much self respect, to resort to treating people like animals--including females. What does being polite have anything to do with being a "nice guy?"

Real men do what they want, without second guessing themselves!
:up:

I'm tired of all this battle of the sexes BS. Who gives a fk? I have a gf that treats me like a fking king, and you should too. Hell some real playas will say that you should have several women that treat you like a king.

Guys like pook who find it their duty to battle women are losers.
Guys who expect to find some perfect byatch that will pretend like we live in the 1800's are fools.
Guys who can't attract the right kind of females are AFC's, and I don't care about how many sluts you fk because if you can't get the women that you really want you don't understand the game.
You get what you put out into the world: Real men attract real women, and the rest of you post bs on here.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Desdinova:

"Chivalry is very much alive today. But there are two problems that exist. Number one, there is no need for chivalry as a result of feminism. Number two, women want chivalry on THEIR terms."

Like everything else... A woman wants excitement to feel sexually attracted, and then trust and stability in a relationship to get sexually attracted... Those two are mutually exclusive..

a man has got to go his own way, do his own thing, and not listen to the woman, as women dont know what they want, change in a second, and the man has to guess, "what now...?".. So, be free...

And to the poster:

SELF-MASTERY said:
:up:

Guys like pook who find it their duty to battle women are losers.
Guys who expect to find some perfect byatch that will pretend like we live in the 1800's are fools.
Guys who can't attract the right kind of females are AFC's, and I don't care about how many sluts you fk because if you can't get the women that you really want you don't understand the game.
You get what you put out into the world: Real men attract real women, and the rest of you post bs on here.
All these words you say are woman talk, trying to shame men into acting the way you feel is right.

Pook is a man who has seen the true side of things. Check his blog. He, (we) are not battling women, we just are seeing their true nature, and living accordingly.

And to all other insults you give, shaming is not the way to go if you want too be constructive, and as you dont want to be constructive, shove your tongue up your a**....
 

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That is just stupid, chivalry is not a deal maker or a deal breaker. I open the door for a girl and pull out her chair if I can. I never go out of my way to do it though.

They love it, whenever you do it you see a smile come across their face. Women like top be lead, I thought that was the whole premises of the seduction game. Women like to be lead by men and chivalry establishes dominance. I do not jump out of my car run around the side and open the door for her but if we are walking up to the door of a restaurant I open it and let her go in first.

I also send women flowers, if I haven't slept with her yet and I know were she works I will send her a dozen roses at work. They love that getting to show off in front of all the other girls at work and it makes them think about you for the rest of the day then when you see her after work all she will want to do is f*ck you.
 

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Umm I'm with chevelle and self mastery on this one. Being nice to any women isnt a bad thing and doesnt make you a afc, if your doing it out of pure goodwill then its all good if your doing it to get into her knickers then your lame.

Doing nice things for others isnt a bad thing it makes your feel good, I carry a gals bags open doors for them pull out their seats etc etc, none of which makes me afc, at least I think those actions dont.

Yes some women do treat men like trash and just abuse them when men are nice to them, but as a man you have to know when your being nice to them and when your being her doormat, learn to tell the difference and put your foot down when she plays up.

Dont fall into the trap that women want the jerk and hate the nice guy, no woem go after the jerk because he is a fully sexual being just like she is. The nice guy is not sexual in anyway his motives are hidden and he cant play the game so to speak.

Remember this you were born in thsi world alone and you will die alone so leave with only good memories, and to that end make sure you spend time with women that add to your life and not take away from it, learn to tell the difference between trashy women and good quality women. Dont tell me there arnt any there are you just suck at finding them.

Stop the hating lifes too short, and as a man its your dudty to make something out of your life and have a heap of fun while doing it. So what a women took you for granted and used you for your niceness big deal go cry for a month and get back into the game and find another one that might treat you better, if she does stay with her if she doesnt move on.

As a man you choose what to do and what not to do, many of you miss the point totally, losers whinge winners suck it up and make sure they get what they want so they dont have to sit and whinge.

Remeber a women is a sexual being she cant help they way she behaves its in her nature and its in your nature as a man to deal with her crap and put her in her place if need be and its in your nature to be as sexual as you can around all women, this way when your nice to them it wil tell them this guy is the real deal and not some fake pua.
 

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There's a difference betwen opening a door for a woman because you see your role as the dominant one, and are "leading" her... and doing it because you think it'll make you look good.
 

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I don't know why holding open doors is considered chivalry (as in men are expected to do it for women). If I'm entering a building and I notice several people close behind me, I will hold the door open for them. It simply does not matter if they are men, women, or children. Holding doors open for other people is something everyone should do, not just men for women.
 

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Women don't bang on about the fact chivalary is dead. They just want a free meal and to feel like they're desirable, it's got nothing to do with idiology.

If your a good looking guy dating an UG or an older woman then you can live like a hot chick too.

Ultimately people have to have a reason to be with the other person and if it's not sexual then it's money or affection. Women dispise it when they're not treated in a chivalist way because it indicates to them that they're not a hot chick. Do you think a super-model ever bought her own meal on a date.
 
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