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[Francisco d'Anconia]

dietary fat is not linked to fat in your blood.

Cholesterol is good. It raises your testosterone levels. Cut enough fat out of your diet, and you'll one day wake up as a woman.

I eat 40 eggs a week & I feel great.

The timebomb is mixing fats with carbs. If you'd choose, fats are healthier. Obesity is caused by:
-lack of physical activity
-excess caloric intake
-genetic factors (although I think that if you want, you can do someting abou it)
-etc..

Eating fat makes you burn fat.

Read this:
Anabolic Diet: a high Fat Diet
Fat Myths

Here's where I start when researching (cholesterol) formation.

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/cholesterol/atp3full.pdf
http://pubs.ama-assn.org/media/2005jer/1115.dtl

I have to question the idea of feeling great equating to a health. I see so many overweight people (some of which are active) who say that they feel great. I still wonder just how long they'll be able to keep up their eating lifestyle while "feeling" healthy.

 

[RedPill]

I can't believe nobody has suggested these yet:

- ground beef
- cottage cheese (large curd w/ 4% milkfat)

These are inexpensive, nutritionally dense, full of protein and fat, and taste great.

Right now I buy 5-lb tubes of 80/20 ground beef for $10 each, and split them in half. Each 2.5-lb segment is browned, drained (just the standing liquid fat, not extensively drained or rinsed), and combined with one bottle or can of sauce. Right now Asian-style sauces are my chosen set of flavors. Sometimes I'll fry up some vegetables separately and add them, but usually I don't combine them because there isn't much room left in the pan and a standard bottle of sauce provides just enough sauce to sufficiently flavor the beef.

For eggs, I haven't tried them raw yet, but don't believe they're hard to ingest cooked (minimum 6 per meal) if flavored and made sufficiently moist. Scramble them with a handful of shredded cheese and a few scoops of fresh salsa.

 

[Kev07]

fast food

 

[mrRuckus]

For eggs, I haven't tried them raw yet, but don't believe they're hard to ingest cooked (minimum 6 per meal) if flavored and made sufficiently moist. Scramble them with a handful of shredded cheese and a few scoops of fresh salsa.

I hate eating cooked eggs. I occasionally don't mind eating about 3 scrambled but it's a lot of effort for making just one meal without much content to it.

I've been eating about 8 raw ones a day for a few weeks now.
4 eggs + (1 scoop or 0.5 scoops choc whey) is a very fast meal. Downing 4 eggs STUFFS me normally. I dread swallowing by the 4th one. I can easily see myself doing 8-12 at a time when I fully get back to muscle building mode.

It just tastes almost exactly like a regular chocolate whey shake except thicker. I'm still amazed when i'm drinking it thinking "this is egg liquid and not water."

I take them to my softball games in a thermos and a few ice cubes so i can hang out after the games rather than having to drag meat with me and eat in front of everyone (and get made fun of) or leave right away just to go eat.

 

[spesmilitis]

peanuts are a legume (neo carb) and have a poor amino acid profile, contain phytoestrogens (like soy).. walnuts and almonds both contain omega3's and plenty nutrients (including calcium which without dairy products you'd have to get from other sources).

Do all legumes contain phytoestrogens?
Should I avoid peanut butter too?

 

[Warboss Alex]

Do all legumes contain phytoestrogens?
Should I avoid peanut butter too?

I personally don't as I love peanut butter, but.. if you want to be anal, yes.

 

[kickureface]

hey wba, can you post a log of what you eat for a day or two? i think it would help us with what to eat everyday.

 

[Warboss Alex]

hey wba, can you post a log of what you eat for a day or two? i think it would help us with what to eat everyday.

want me to be honest?

today:
three B+J's Wiches.
two pork pies
bacon/tomato sandwich.
couple of mini cheesecakes
carton of tropicana
might have some pb+j's later, or hamburgers smothered in mozerella
few cups of tea

yeah, eating like **** right now (for convenience/enjoyment really). but I can flip a switch and eat properly suddenly and it never gets out of hand so I'm not bothered.

 

[kickureface]

haha lemme gues your bf% is high at the moment, eh?

how about on a proper diet?

 

[Warboss Alex]

Actually no, my stomach is flat and my abs are 'vaguely' there. My wife truly doesn't care about the state of my sixpack so neither do I. lol.It's amazing how much junk I can get away with eating these days. As a teenager I had a very slow metabolism and got fat easily.. but I believe through training over the past years I have changed my metabolic set point significantly (as well as my skeletal structure). I feel anyone can do this with the proper application. Okay you won't go from an extreme endo to an extreme ecto but you'll be able to eat a lot more than your BMR/genetics suggest.

If I was eating 'properly', I'd just rotate through the usual meats, veggies, fats, carbs etc. Some meals I like (either pro/carb or pro/fat).
- Ribeye steak or hamburger with cheese
- Leaner steak (e.g. sirloin) with rice
- Homemade beef chili with/without rice
- Chicken/turkey stir-fry with mushrooms, peppers, onion etc.
- Chicken thighs/drumsticks or same for turkey
- Omelette with cheese/ham/bacon whatever plus veggies as for stir-fry
- Scrambled eggs with cheese/meat
- Chicken/tuna salad with stuff (bacon, olives, cheese, homemade mayo etc)
- Whey/Casein shakes with raw eggs/peanut butter/olive oil/cream
- The usual whey/oatmeal breakfast or lean protein with carbs e.g. salmon sandwich.
- Fruit added where applicable

Nothing fancy really. Just lots of good solid food. Lots of green vegetables added to nearly every solid meal, always with lemon juice and sometimes olive oil depending on the meal. Some fish oil caps with every meal. I throw in healthy extras such as live culture yogurt, hummus, flaxseeds etc, and drink my white tea.

Always about 2 gallons of water a day regardless of protein intake (which is always high). Carbs depending on training intensity, goals etc. More calories on training days for obvious reasons. I prefer a higher fat diet anyway since whenever I go over a certain of carbs I get fat. I cycle calories too but am not anal. I don't get too scientific with diet, because just like training, the more you think the less you gain.

 

[Quiksilver]

yeah, eating like **** right now (for convenience/enjoyment really). but I can flip a switch and eat properly suddenly and it never gets out of hand so I'm not bothered.

I've only noticed this recently. During exam times, I purposely stopped eating right, to focus on other stuff. Ate downright dirty, but now that school is over, I've had no problem flipping the health-switch back on.

As a teenager I had a very slow metabolism and got fat easily.. but I believe through training over the past years I have changed my metabolic set point significantly (as well as my skeletal structure). I feel anyone can do this with the proper application.

That's pretty inspiring, something good to look forward to. By the way, what do you mean you changed your skeletal structure?

 

[Warboss Alex]

I've only noticed this recently. During exam times, I purposely stopped eating right, to focus on other stuff. Ate downright dirty, but now that school is over, I've had no problem flipping the health-switch back on.

NO, NO EXAMS FOR ME.. JUST BEING INDULGENT LOL

That's pretty inspiring, something good to look forward to. By the way, what do you mean you changed your skeletal structure?

I had very narrow shoulders and a narrow ribcage too. Couple that with wide hiops and I looked very pear-shaped indeed. But through training techniques I've increased the width of my shoulders and back, and managed to 'pop' my lats.. gives them an extra inch or two of width but one lat is popped more than the other and rotates 'out of its socket', so to speak. So one side of my back is slightly wider than the other.

When the skeleton is still young it's very pliable. However you can screw yourself up (as I did) so it's not something to be taken lightly. (just as changing your metabolic set point isn't something you'll do in a week or two either)

 

[kickureface]

do you or did you ever bother with timing carbs, gi of carbs, carbs n fats, and those other stuff? for some reason i feel like i need to get them down, understand or ill always be frustrated and flustered with not understanding the effects of such foods on my body?
and nice pear to V, my goal is that too. but in the past i was more of a burger patty, trying to get to V

 

[Warboss Alex]

do you or did you ever bother with timing carbs, gi of carbs, carbs n fats, and those other stuff?

of course. In the idiot's guide there's some info on GI and carb/fat mixing as well as in posts, so do so some searching.

Some simple rules to get you started:
- High GI carbs kept at a minimum except PWO (in the right amount)
- Low GI carbs the rest of the time (and PWO for some people)
- Do not mix large amounts of fat and large amounts of carbs in one meal.
- Put carbs when you need them most, i.e. pre/post workout, not before bed, etc.

 

[stronglifts]

It's amazing how much junk I can get away with eating these days. As a teenager I had a very slow metabolism and got fat easily.. but I believe through training over the past years I have changed my metabolic set point significantly (as well as my skeletal structure). I feel anyone can do this with the proper application. Okay you won't go from an extreme endo to an extreme ecto but you'll be able to eat a lot more than your BMR/genetics suggest.

I second that. I can get away with more junk now than I used to. This is what you get after years of hard training.

 

[Throttle]

blood serum "cholesterol" (actually lipids) is completely uncorrelated with dietary cholesterol intake for most individuals. ldl (the 'bad stuff') does in fact transport cholesterol, but your body makes much more than most people eat, and your body can shed the rest.

a dozen eggs a day will not make you fat.

being fat (from other causes) will surely lower your ldl, raise your hdl, and raise your triglycerides.

balance your sats, omega-6 & omega-3s & monounsaturates and do not consume any artificial transfats, and you're taking care of your fat intake.

cut carbs and/or calories, raise caloric expenditure, etc. to lose bodyfat, which will push all your quote-unquote 'cholesterol' numbers in the right direction (research says most people only need to lose 10lbs. of bodyfat to get a very significant nudge in the right direction on all numbers. since most of us fail to do that, this tells you how stubborn we are with our bad habits.)

 

[Warboss Alex]

a dozen eggs a day will not make you fat.

neither will 2 dozen, or even 3 dozen. eggs have certain anabolic properties that make them even less likely to be stored as fat despite their caloric content.

other foods have a similar property (such as steak).

 

[nosmirk]

can we hav more suggestions please..

im lacking almost 1000kcals if i wake up in the afternoon and miss breakfast. ):

 

[Warboss Alex]

can we hav more suggestions please..

im lacking almost 1000kcals if i wake up in the afternoon and miss breakfast. ):

get up earlier. or set your alarm, eat breakfast, go back to sleep til the next meal. you must not miss meals, ever. even if you're dead tired, you get your calories in, drink a shake with added fats etc, if you need to. but never miss meals!

people thinking they can cram two or three mealsworth of calories into the last meal or so of the day are set up for failure. you need constant, regular and consistent (i.e. same amount of calories in each meal) feedings if you are to succeed.

(to say nothing of what irregular sleeping hours will do to you..)