CGA's philosophy: tricking or being realistic?

[Gamisch]

Coach Greg Adams doesn’t need an introduction. I think he has a good show, very entertaining and he's not a dumb dude.

One of his main points is that he doesn't encourage men to cold approach but to rather accept the fact that women monetized themselves. Makes sense. He is almost 50, short ,black BUT makes lots of money and even when having his level of succes women will bring tons of BS to the table.

So, is he just a trick or is he actually right? To simply pay for play and cut all the bs? It's the least favorable talking point in the sphere. Most men (including myself) still prefer "love" over tricking even though that love most of the time comes with a lotta hick ups and difficulties.

 

[pipeman84]

100% agree with him. If she's not a virgin or under exceptional circumstances with one ex, then you're wasting time considering her for a love based relationship. A +25yrs old with a past hoe phase and/or a handful of exes talking about love is BS ... doesn't matter if she actually believes it or not.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Precisely speaking, we "pay to play" in order to achieve anything in life, whether with money, time, or an exhaustive list of additional sacrifices

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Precisely speaking, we "pay to play" in order to achieve anything in life, whether with money, time, or an exhaustive list of additional sacrifices

The problem is that many here 'pay' but forget to 'play'.
You pay with your time and attention and validation. She knows that, so she tries to attract your attention and receive your validation. In return your social status rises because this desirable woman wants your attention and validation, not just anyone's. She will want value for her currency and will respect that you put a premium on your currency as well.

You see this most obviously in B*D*S*M dynamics - the Dominant 'rewards' the submissive with attention and validation and 'punishes' by taking the A&V away. No matter how equal a couple appears, there is always the initiator that the follower defers to.
I put rewards and punishes in quotes because it's not that literal. I 'tamed' quite a few 'bratty' submissives and that was quite easy by consistently giving A&V for good behaviour and taking away my A&V when they became bratty.

Women don't respect men who don't assert their boundaries. If you allow a woman to wipe her feet on you and treat you like a doormat, she will quickly lose interest. So even if you are submissive (thirsty for sex), you have to pretend dominance in order to get sexual favours. If that becomes a lot of effort (as it seems to be for 90% of this forum), you will need the counsel of experienced men to steer you in the right direction.

Now, all you need to do is find that council, because they tend to be elusive.

 

[Gamisch]

100% agree with him. If she's not a virgin or under exceptional circumstances with one ex, then you're wasting time considering her for a love based relationship. A +25yrs old with a past hoe phase and/or a handful of exes talking about love is BS ... doesn't matter if she actually believes it or not.

He also had a show where he ( credits where it's due) said that most women at 16 are already heartbroken by failed dreams. By the time they're 19 they already been through the trenches like 2 or 3 times, whereas men( like some members here) still leech from their parents when they're 30+. By the time she is 25 ..she seen it all done it all and especially heard it all .

When you put down numbers above 200 bucks or perhaps sometimes 500, the quality of the sexual experience will increase significantly. You can easily get an hb9 and do everything you want to her for that kinda money..

Ironically kind of the same amount she would want you to spend on her when you try to mouthpiece your way into her panties.

 

[Gamisch]

The problem is that many here 'pay' but forget to 'play'.
You pay with your time and attention and validation. She knows that, so she tries to attract your attention and receive your validation. In return your social status rises because this desirable woman wants your attention and validation, not just anyone's. She will want value for her currency and will respect that you put a premium on your currency as well.

You see this most obviously in B*D*S*M dynamics - the Dominant 'rewards' the submissive with attention and validation and 'punishes' by taking the A&V away. No matter how equal a couple appears, there is always the initiator that the follower defers to.
I put rewards and punishes in quotes because it's not that literal. I 'tamed' quite a few 'bratty' submissives and that was quite easy by consistently giving A&V for good behaviour and taking away my A&V when they became bratty.

Women don't respect men who don't assert their boundaries. If you allow a woman to wipe her feet on you and treat you like a doormat, she will quickly lose interest. So even if you are submissive (thirsty for sex), you have to pretend dominance in order to get sexual favours. If that becomes a lot of effort (as it seems to be for 90% of this forum), you will need the counsel of experienced men to steer you in the right direction.

Now, all you need to do is find that council, because they tend to be elusive.

So what's your definition of "play"?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

So what's your definition of "play"?

While I don't exactly go for quid pro quo, my lover's reciprocation in everything should be at the same or higher level of investment. I don't give away my attention and validation for free.

When it comes to a D/s dynamic: I'm a known shibari expert who mainly does shibari in private sessions, although I give demonstrations and workshops in the basics and safety of bondage. I don't need to do anything for money anymore, so women have to offer me something of value in return for getting my valuable time and effort.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The problem is that many here 'pay' but forget to 'play'.
You pay with your time and attention and validation. She knows that, so she tries to attract your attention and receive your validation. In return your social status rises because this desirable woman wants your attention and validation, not just anyone's. She will want value for her currency and will respect that you put a premium on your currency as well.

You see this most obviously in B*D*S*M dynamics - the Dominant 'rewards' the submissive with attention and validation and 'punishes' by taking the A&V away. No matter how equal a couple appears, there is always the initiator that the follower defers to.
I put rewards and punishes in quotes because it's not that literal. I 'tamed' quite a few 'bratty' submissives and that was quite easy by consistently giving A&V for good behaviour and taking away my A&V when they became bratty.

Women don't respect men who don't assert their boundaries. If you allow a woman to wipe her feet on you and treat you like a doormat, she will quickly lose interest. So even if you are submissive (thirsty for sex), you have to pretend dominance in order to get sexual favours. If that becomes a lot of effort (as it seems to be for 90% of this forum), you will need the counsel of experienced men to steer you in the right direction.

Now, all you need to do is find that council, because they tend to be elusive.

A substantial portion of The English speaking world currently rejects the notion that we have to "pay" in some way for the things we desire. A growing number of our fellow citizens believe that they should be given what they want, WITHOUT having to give anything in return

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

A substantial portion of The English speaking world currently rejects the notion that we have to "pay" in some way for the things we desire. A growing number of our fellow citizens believe that they should be given what they want, WITHOUT having to give anything in return

The main problem is that these guys want good pleasant company while not being pleasant company themselves.

All these incels complaining how women don't desire them don't realise that whiners never make good company.

Anyone here complaining about their boring flaky low interest dates is simply dating at their own boring level. Most of them are not good company, but they expect to get good company because they think they 'deserve' to be in good company. If someone is mediocre and boring, they will attract mediocre and boring dates.

One of the reasons I don't have a three digit lay count despite dating women for over four decades is because I'm good company attracting good company; women bind themselves to me because they enjoy themselves; I have very few one-night-stands; even my most challenging relationships lasted more than 3 months. Despite having to share me, my lovers stick with me for years. Why? Because I'm good company, that's pretty much all. I don't 'provide' for them in a financial or status sense. The feedback I get is that women are into me not for 'looks/money/status' but because I'm interesting and they don't get bored being in my company.
I don't entertain boring / mediocre / low interest women, my time is too precious to waste on the undesirables.

As a result, you don't hear complaints from me about women. Or about dating. Because I'm only intimate with women who show more than just a 'pretty face'. Vapid shallow women need not apply.

 

[RangerMIke]

The main problem is that these guys want good pleasant company while not being pleasant company themselves.

This. Men take themselves way too seriously. Never take women earnestly.... just have fun... it's not hard. If you find yourself around women that stress you out or frustrate you... just walk away and find women that are fun.

The only thing a man should take gravely is his taking care of his children, business, finances, and health. If you find yourself in a situation where you think you need a life partner, then find someone that is going to be a REAL partner, she has to be a member of the crew and not a passenger.

 

[Gamisch]

This. Men take themselves way too seriously. Never take women earnestly.... just have fun... it's not hard. If you find yourself around women that stress you out or frustrate you... just walk away and find women that are fun.

The only thing a man should take gravely is his taking care of his children, business, finances, and health. If you find yourself in a situation where you think you need a life partner, then find someone that is going to be a REAL partner, she has to be a member of the crew and not a passenger.

So what's your opinion regarding arranged marriage? The narrative seems to be that some how such a marriage works better, but imo it's a gamble whether the woman will actually be the REAL partner.

Same with passport bro-ing. For all you know you bring a HUGE liability into your life but now you gotta invest tenfold the amount of money you'd spend on a local bird. As @AmsterdamAssassin just said: as long as you aren't "that guy" no woman will stick around long term.