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disfunktional

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...what do you think? Do you think they can work? I'd like to think so, but I'm not sure really. In my experience (which granted, is not huge, I'd say 5 relationships that I'd refer to as being casual) they have always ended up with the girl wanting more, even though I'd either a) said upfront that I wasn't after anything serious or b) not mentioned anything about being exclusive or serious.

For example, currently seeing a girl who agreed with me that she just wanted it to be casual. Things have been going OK but then last weekend she got a little drunk, started crying and saying she thought she was being taken for a ride! Confronted her the next day and she assured me she was just being stupid and she didn't mean it. Of course she did though, she wouldn't have said it otherwise.

Not sure where I am going with this really, I think my nice guy morals are telling me it's wrong to keep it going with this girl when she has obviously developed feelings for me.
 

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Only for so long.

These things much like food have only so long a shelf life before turning rotten.

One person eventually always wants more than the other.
 

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Yo Disfunktional,

This is something I wrote in another thread, about a slightly similar subject. But my answer to you would be EXACTLY the same. So please read it and take from it what you can use...but ONLY if it rings true to the core of who YOU are:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=120312&highlight=fukk+buddies


Victory Unlimited said:
Enough Tap Dancing, Soldiers!

Str8up, this IS NOT directed at you, my friend, This is directed at the Fukk Buddy Scenario as a whole. Because MANY of us have been in this emotional twilight zone you have just posted about.

Here's the truth about Fukk Buddies, Friends with Benefits, and "Friends" (in quotation marks):

You'll RARELY hear this on a site like this due to the inordinant amount of pride, ego, and testosterone that most men allow to clog up their reason. But the truth is...all these types of "pseudo" relationships are volatile in nature----these "relationships" all have a TIME LIMIT attached to them.

They NEVER stay in the previously agreed upon category. NEVER. Even if you can maintain it for 40 years, I can GARAUNTEE you that on year 41, SOMEBODY will want MORE than what was originally agreed upon.

If a man has a heart and he still has NOT burned his conscience to the point of NO RETURN, if he keeps routinely fukking a woman, he WILL develop an emotional attachment to that woman whether he intended to or not.

SEX is a spiritually, biologically, and emotionally BONDING experience that is designed to KEEP two people TOGETHER----even when they're NOT having SEX.

And if you DOUBT the validity of the above statement, then simply ask yourself:

"If sexuality does NOT eventually lead to emotional attachment, and it is NOT The Natural Order of Things, then why is it that most men have to fight AGAINST developing ONEitis, rather than fight FOR it? Hmmmmm???"

We often like to PRETEND that only women get attached, but that's just a bunch a macho bullshyt. Men get attached too---they just HATE to admit it. Guys who aren't in the Sosuave Army think that any emotional INVOLVEMENT with a woman is WEAK----while MANY guys IN the Sosuave Army have been programmed to think that it's AFC.

But SOME emotional involvement is natural---and it always leads to emotional attachment over the LONG HAUL---so choose women WISELY. That's why AFCs lose control and turn into stalkers, killers, or suicide victims. And that's also why so-called DJs (players, macks, human dildos, etc) often hide behind the revolving door of fukking multiple biiitches to AVOID the reality of emotional attachment that SURELY awaits them IF they stay with any given woman TOO LONG.

You see, INSIDE we all KNOW that sex is bonding----it's just that some men become quicker and more agile when it comes to running from it than others. But again, IF they still have a heart, even THEIR legs will eventually give out. So that's why they choose to GET THE HELL OUT (of a possible, newly FORMING relationship bond). Hence, the fukking of multiple biiitches once again ensues...

But this is like playing roulette----THE RUSSIAN KIND. True mature men should realize that if they meet a woman who MIGHT be worth their sole attention, even if it DOESN'T work out, you are STILL prize enough to replace her with just ONE day/night of approaching.

That is, if we really BELIEVE the things we've learned here at the Sosuave Training Academy...

NOT MANY GUYS CAN HANDLE THIS STATEMENT, but here goes anyway:

Often times. Friends with Benefits, Fukk Buddies, etc, CAN be a form of acting out of FEAR and a lack of SELF-CONTROL.

Now, I'm NOT saying that one shouldn't interact with as many women as possible if he's not ready to be serious and just wants to have fun. Or, if he's ctually trying to eventually select just ONE. Just remember that despite what some of us have been taught; people are NOT pawns in a game. There are ALWAYS consequences to our actions. What I AM saying is that we should all do a gut check from time to time.

Are we out here throwing our Dikks around because we are INSPIRED, or are we doing it because we feel DRIVEN.

INSPIRATION you can guage, measure, and control. But being DRIVEN is when you feel forced or compelled, which is EVIDENCE of a lack of a certain amount of self-control.

So, if we are engaging in these types of fukk-buddy manuevers because we are AFRAID to be alone, or are afraid we can't eventually find ONE particular woman who may be worth our extra time, OR are CONTROLLED by our hormones and can't help ourselves------Then we have to realize that we still have a lot of MATURING to do.

Think about it. Why else would we as men choose to endure 6 months of POSSIBLY being stalked by a HOLISTICALLY undesirable or unavailable woman JUST to experience the fleeting thrill of a pent-up ejaculation?

Is walking through the possible mine field of emotional detonation devices really WORTH the risk of her (unselfishly), or US (totally selfishly...lol) being blown to smithereens????

For many of us, the answer is still ironically....YES. I've personally been in this type of situation before, and whether it's ended badly or "mildly", there's always been a little piece of damage left on my psyche ( my mindsets concerning women get a little more JADED...) which is a bad trade off for me ULTIMATELY. But respectfully, to each his own...

However, the ONLY exceptions I have seen to my above observation that "guys get attached too" are those men who have sacraficed their feelings, their emotions, and even their humanity to such an extent where they have crossed the line into amoral, SOCIOPATHIC behavior.

And those types of guys that I have met, no matter how many biiitches they fukk, no matter how HARD they try to act, and no matter how much SHYT they try to talk, have a dark, empty place inside them where their SOULS used to be.

So the final result of the Seeds of Relationship Ambiguity that we've sown is usually the Harvest of Emotional Ambiguity that Str8up just posted about.

So having said ALL THAT. To Str8up, I WILL say that I think you did well by NOT fukking this girl ONE MORE TIME. There's nothing left for you to PROVE, dude. Let her go to this LDR dude----and count your blessings that HIS and YOUR roles are NOT reversed!

Perhaps we should all observe a moment of SILENCE just for the THOUGHT of That guy's situation, troops...

And also, maybe we should CONSIDER the consequences of the whole fukk buddy thing more carefully in the future. Maybe that way we can either get OUT in time (before the feelings come), pursue something more with the chick ('cuz there's NOTHING like a strong sexual attraction between two people to open up the possibility of something MORE), or we could just choose to PASS on fukking the chick (if we already SUSPECT that we'll never want anything more from her than that.)

We ARE mature men,...aren't we?


This has been from the desk of Victory Unlimited...and I APPROVE this message.


Peace...one day.
 

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Double edged sword: Casual fits with avoiding One-itis and Plate Spinning, on the other hand it can also distract you from the pursuit of a more serious relationship. And x2 on the attachment issue.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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disfunktional said:
I think my nice guy morals are telling me it's wrong to keep it going with this girl when she has obviously developed feelings for me.
Those arent "nice guy morals", thats your sense of human decency. VU is right, those types of realtionships have a shelf life...its only a matter of time before it needs to be cut off or someone ends being used and/or manipulated.
 

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Why does my name inevitably come up in these kinds of discussions...lol

Yea, it's a temporary deal.

But then again, pretty much every relationship is temporary. Even if you do find one woman that you do spend the rest of your life with, all of the other dozens of relationships you had in your life were temporary. So the vast majority of ALL relationships will end at some time before death.

I think Deep Dish mentioned something about this awhile back. He said something about realizing that almost ALL relationships are bound to end, and that it is to your benefit to go into every relationship fully understanding this. If it doesn't end...great. but most do.

Sex without emotion outside of prostitution is pretty much impossible.

Even if you, the guy, only want her for one thing and she wants more, when she cuts it off chances are you will feel SOMETHING.

The only thing you can do is be up front about it, and let her make her own decisions. Make the disclaimer and you are off the hook, I don't care how much she cries about it.
 

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disfunktional said:
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For example, currently seeing a girl who agreed with me that she just wanted it to be casual. Things have been going OK but then last weekend she got a little drunk, started crying and saying she thought she was being taken for a ride! Confronted her the next day and she assured me she was just being stupid and she didn't mean it. Of course she did though, she wouldn't have said it otherwise.

CRYING = MANIPULATION.

dammit guys, get this through your thick skulls. its what women DO to bring out your 'captain save a ho' complex out

as for your problem of women wanting to get serious after you've agreed on casual, thats easy. you made yourself the prize. in their eyes you aren't desperate, you know you have other options, you're just looking for someone to fill the gap for the time being.

see women are going to interpret your behavior NOT based on how men think, but rather based on how women think. and if a woman was doing what you are doing, ie. the whole casual thing, 9 times out of 10 its a temporary branch until they can swing to the next.

so she's thinking thats what you are doing, becuase that's what she would be doing if she were behaving as you are.

so seeing you as the prize, and fearing that you're going to let go of her branch soon, she pulls out the only manipulation tactic she has left - CRYING. she's upping the drama so that you get all emotionally confused.

once she's got you good and messed up in the head, then she'll increase the time the two of you spend together, increase your dependence on her, and then put an ultimatum to you that its time to get serious.

this is ALL just a tactic to secure herself a steady man.

so toss your 'nice guy' concerns out the window (at least in this scenario). you've been honest and up front from day one - YOU CANNOT GET MORE HONEST OR NICE THAN THAT! the fact that these women ignore your honesty, then get all upset (or at least pretend to), is NOT your fault or problem.
 

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Some great posts guys, thanks. VU, quality post, I think you are spot on. I totally agree that an emotional bond can develop through sex even in a casual relationship, I'm not not devoid of emotion and I have developed some feelings for this girl so I am experiencing what you speak of. When it ends I will feel something, a little bit of sadness but it will be short lived and I will crack on, no big deal, I'm good at that.

Seems to be some differing views on ending relationships like this. In my case, this would end naturally anyway when I go away traveling for 6 months at xmas (she knows this). I've been up front about the fact I'm going away and this can't be serious so I've nothing to feel guilty about. However, can't help thinking I could take a higher ground here, finish it before I go away and save some heartache. That would seem a more mature, DJ thing to do, but then shooting myself in the foot slightly as I wont be able to spend anymore time with her.
 

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...what do you think? Do you think they can work? I'd like to think so, but I'm not sure really. In my experience (which granted, is not huge, I'd say 5 relationships that I'd refer to as being casual) they have always ended up with the girl wanting more, even though I'd either a) said upfront that I wasn't after anything serious or b) not mentioned anything about being exclusive or serious.
Sex is dangerous, both physically and emotionally. No-strings attached sex is impossible and people who engage in it fool themselves there are no strings attached; emotions always eventually surface, in one partner or another. I have had two one-night stands with gorgeous high paid escorts, who both were a ball of fun, and it was funny that after our romps we talked about everything.
STR8UP said:
I think Deep Dish mentioned something about this awhile back. He said something about realizing that almost ALL relationships are bound to end, and that it is to your benefit to go into every relationship fully understanding this. If it doesn't end...great. but most do.
Yup, that is my belief and I stand by it. Just accept things as they are without trying to force things into any which direction, just enjoy the good times while the times are still good, just be honest with her and ultimately yourself. :D
 

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One person eventually always wants more than the other
This usually happens at some point or another.
Sometimes a woman will actually create arguments just so she can stop the relationship form getting any stronger. She actually wants to stop building a bond and attachment to you, so she starts sabotaging the relationship too.
Some men do this. As they're afraid of the vulnerability and being exposed like that in a steady ltr. And some guys eventually leave when they realize that the chick really doesn't want a relationship at all.
The idea of spinning plates however, is one in which you really are seeking and healthily enjoying female companionship. And while you are (maturely) emotionally investing in each of these lovely women, what you're hoping is that one will stick out from the rest, and prove more valueable to you as n LTR. In which case, feeling more comfortable and secure, as a mature and healthy man, you will feel good going into a ltr with the selected woman. And be able to become and enjoy the intimacy that an ltr provides.
 
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