Carbs and Fat should not be eaten together

[marmel75]

This may come as a surprise to many people, but fat does not make you fat. In fact to properly burn fat stores your body needs to intake new fat before your liver will burn existing fat. However, what WILL make you fat is consuming carbs and fat in combination. Why? Insulin is a storage hormone and when fat is present with insulin, it gets stored as fat.

In short, protein and fat are OK, carbs and protein is OK, but carbs and fat are a big no-no. In fact there is NEVER really a valid reason to consume carbs and fat together(unless its fish oil). Except on cheat days, then its actually beneficial because it helps reset leptin levels, which controls how much fat you burn. In fact you should not consume carbs within 3 hours of eating fat since it takes longer to be digested and still could be stored. Having problems losing weight? Stop eating carbs with fat.

 

[jemmi7]

Hello guys today we discuss the beautiful topic about Fat losing/ dears as you know that fat person is looking joking from every where / if you have more weight then you may be disturb with your life/ so keep your body smart/and always be happy///

 

[marmel75]

[citation needed]

Biggest piece of bro science I have ever heard

Tell that to IFBB pro Ben Pakulski who also trains other bodybuilders and is obsessed with studies and the science behind it, trainer John Romaniello who has multiple book deals with Harper publishing, Boot Camp strength trainer and powerlifter Elliott Hulse, or the legendary father of modern bodybuilding Vince Gironda who all espouse the same thing.

Or they can listen to you...no offense but I know who I am listening to, and it sure as hell ain't you.

 

[betheman]

isnt this pretty much what Leangains preaches re fat loss as well?

 

[marmel75]

isnt this pretty much what Leangains preaches re fat loss as well?

I believe Martin talks more about using IF to lose fat...16 hours of fasting with 8 hours of eating 3 or 4 meals, with about 50% of your calories coming in your postworkout meal and training in a fasted state with BCAAs preworkout to boost protein synthesis.

 

[DanZy]

I just find this to be far too simplified. Fat being stored directly as fat due to an insulin spike seems unlikely as there are simply so many other factors. I like the theory behind it but I don't see the real life correlation. Additionally, trying to avoid eating carbs and fat together would be a real pain and requires far too much planning etc.
Are you saying a large amount of fat or any amount of fat? Small to moderate amounts surely wouldn't make any real affect?

@betheman, this isn't leangains at all. It's not even related.

 

[marmel75]

I just find this to be far too simplified. Fat being stored directly as fat due to an insulin spike seems unlikely as there are simply so many other factors. I like the theory behind it but I don't see the real life correlation. Additionally, trying to avoid eating carbs and fat together would be a real pain and requires far too much planning etc.
Are you saying a large amount of fat or any amount of fat? Small to moderate amounts surely wouldn't make any real affect?

@betheman, this isn't leangains at all. It's not even related.

Under 10g of carbs with fat/protein and under 10g of fat with carbs/protein

It really isn't that hard if you are eating clean as most Carb and protein sources have little to no fat(except eggs). I get most of my fats from eggs, olive oil, coconut oil and avocados.

It is more of a big deal for insulin resistant endomorphs who need every advantage possible when not putting on fat. For ecto's it would make no difference...

 

[GoalsActionsResults]

A way that would do this (limiting "high fat/high carbs" meals) is to have "2 or 3 Carbs + Protein meals in the morning or by early afternoon especially after Lifting days," and then to have "2 or 3 Protein + Fat + a few lower carb vegetables meals in the later afternoon to early evening," and also to drink around 10 cups of water from the morning until around 8 or 9 pm. This is to have most of the daily carbs in the AM especially after a morning Lift day to burn off the carbs and to have the carbs used by the muscles after lifting and for protein utilization, so there is not a build up of excess carbs later in the day/night that then get stored as fat. Also, to not have much Fat in the meal after lifting (as it's a Carbs + Protein meal) to not slow the C+P getting to the muscles. For Carb cycling there can be lower Carbs on 3 to 4 Cardio (HIIT) days (but probably not less than 60 grams to 100 grams range or even more so there is not Ketosis and so their is still some Carbs for the muscles), and on 3 to 4 Lifting days Carbs can be higher (200 to 300 grams or more range depending on weight). Personally I do not view Ketosis as being healthy for the kidneys so I don't usually go less than 140 grams of Carbs. After HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)/Cardio days, such as jog or recumbant bike at a slower pace for 60 to 90 seconds and then sprint/peddle at a faster pace for 30 to 60 seconds continuing this cycle for a total of around 20 to 25 minutes, there should be no Carbs (only Protein + Water or even just Water for 2 hours after these HIIT/Cardio days to increase fat burning and increase HGH), and some people also don't eat anything before doing Cardio in the AM.

 

[betheman]

I just find this to be far too simplified. Fat being stored directly as fat due to an insulin spike seems unlikely as there are simply so many other factors. I like the theory behind it but I don't see the real life correlation. Additionally, trying to avoid eating carbs and fat together would be a real pain and requires far too much planning etc.
Are you saying a large amount of fat or any amount of fat? Small to moderate amounts surely wouldn't make any real affect?

@betheman, this isn't leangains at all. It's not even related.

isnt it? leangains clearly has a division separating carbs and fats or at least reducing carbs and fats, eating protein and fats on rest days, using protein and carbs on workout days.
too much planning you say? how hard is it to plan a diet regime? you cant totally avoid all fats/carbs, but you can reduce.

 

[good looking loser]

This may come as a surprise to many people, but fat does not make you fat. In fact to properly burn fat stores your body needs to intake new fat before your liver will burn existing fat. However, what WILL make you fat is consuming carbs and fat in combination. Why? Insulin is a storage hormone and when fat is present with insulin, it gets stored as fat.

In short, protein and fat are OK, carbs and protein is OK, but carbs and fat are a big no-no. In fact there is NEVER really a valid reason to consume carbs and fat together(unless its fish oil). Except on cheat days, then its actually beneficial because it helps reset leptin levels, which controls how much fat you burn. In fact you should not consume carbs within 3 hours of eating fat since it takes longer to be digested and still could be stored. Having problems losing weight? Stop eating carbs with fat.

this is all basically correct. there's clinical evidence behind of it now too.
I recommend Dr. Jonny Bowden, he is a PhD and a fantastic resource
http://www.jonnybowdenblog.com/

Journalist Gary Taubes is a great resource as well-
http://garytaubes.com/

the FDA and USDA have known this for years but there's quite a reasons that they don't want this stuff mainstreamed. $.

here's me killing 20-25lbs of bodyfat in 60days.
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/05/11/good-looking-loser-gets-ripped-2012/

keep in mind though- when the OP says "Carbs and Fat Should Not Be Eaten Together" he is largely talking about simple carbohydrates and less-complex high Glycemic carbohydrates IF you want to lose fat. If you are trying to pack on the lean mass, timed insulin spikes are essential to help dietary proteins (amino acids) get to your cells.

Before I was GLL, I did private personal training and sports/fitness nutrition in Los Angeles... if that matters

 

[marmel75]

this is all basically correct. there's clinical evidence behind of it now too.
I recommend Dr. Jonny Bowden, he is a PhD and a fantastic resource
http://www.jonnybowdenblog.com/

Journalist Gary Taubes is a great resource as well-
http://garytaubes.com/

the FDA and USDA have known this for years but there's quite a reasons that they don't want this stuff mainstreamed. $.

here's me killing 20-25lbs of bodyfat in 60days.
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/05/11/good-looking-loser-gets-ripped-2012/

keep in mind though- when the OP says "Carbs and Fat Should Not Be Eaten Together" he is largely talking about simple carbohydrates and less-complex high Glycemic carbohydrates IF you want to lose fat. If you are trying to pack on the lean mass, timed insulin spikes are essential to help dietary proteins (amino acids) get to your cells.

Before I was GLL, I did private personal training and sports/fitness nutrition in Los Angeles... if that matters

Yes, mostly true, but fat has little to do with insulin levels, so there is really little reason to eat these items together regardless. To gain muscle I definitely advise spiking insulin, but only within certain timeframes when it is going to be most beneficial, especially for highly insulin resistant people such as endomorphs. After all, one of the major differences between endomorphs, ectomorphs and mesomorphs is their inborn insulin sensitivity levels.

I start spiking insulin 30 minutes into a workout to shut off the release of cortisol by consuming shake consisting of Dymatize Flud, Whey Protein, BCAAs, Glutamine, Tart Cherry Juice and Lemon Juice. I continue with another shake postworkout consisting of Dymatize Flud, Oh Yeah! 7 blend protein, Cinammon, Leucine, and Glycine. The cinammon helps drive the nutients into the muscle even faster as it acts as an insulin mimetic which helps to increase the muscle cells sensitivity to insulin by up to 20 times normal(I also take cinammon every time I eat any meal containing carbs for the same reason). I then eat another huge postworkout meal an hour later consisting of faster digesting carbs(usually white potatoes) and protein. I try to make sure these 2 shakes and the postworkout meal make up about 50% or sometimes even more of my daily calorie intake because it helps to ensure a very anabolic response by the body to the training just completed and really minimizes the chance for any of it to be stored as fat, even with the insulin spike, which normally would increase the chance of fat storage, especially in endomorphs...

This also helps to build muscle while in a calorie deficit as well utilizing nutrient timing, which is a vastly under utilized tool by most people. You CAN build muscle while in a calorie deficit and lost fat by continuing to lift heavy, making sure the body understands it needs to keep the muscle you have, and then add to it by creating a very anabolic environment directly after working out. It won't be anywhere near the amount you could build doing this in a calorie surplus, but it will be a gain of muscle nonetheless, whihc many clami is impossible. Its not impossible, its just a lot harder and depends a lot more on the timing of the nutrients than normal...

 

[Quiksilver]

Don't know about you, but most of my meals contain pro/fat/carb. I think meals with pro/fat or pro/carb are very bland.

I think it is helpful to know approx how much of each macro you're eating though, but not to worry about combinations and whatnot unless you're 9% bodyfat trying to get to 5% bodyfat.. In which case, more technical diet with partitioning may speed up the process for some people.

I lose bodyfat best when I keep calories at basal maintenance, and crank up calorie expenditure (exercise). On top of that, most of calories come from protein, with a little from carb and fat.

calorie breakdown : 60% protein, 20% fat, 20% carb.

Its not cheap to do though, unless you like egg whites.

 

[Quiksilver]

Yes, mostly true, but fat has little to do with insulin levels, so there is really little reason to eat these items together regardless. To gain muscle I definitely advise spiking insulin, but only within certain timeframes when it is going to be most beneficial, especially for highly insulin resistant people such as endomorphs. After all, one of the major differences between endomorphs, ectomorphs and mesomorphs is their inborn insulin sensitivity levels.

I start spiking insulin 30 minutes into a workout to shut off the release of cortisol by consuming shake consisting of Dymatize Flud, Whey Protein, BCAAs, Glutamine, Tart Cherry Juice and Lemon Juice. I continue with another shake postworkout consisting of Dymatize Flud, Oh Yeah! 7 blend protein, Cinammon, Leucine, and Glycine. The cinammon helps drive the nutients into the muscle even faster as it acts as an insulin mimetic which helps to increase the muscle cells sensitivity to insulin by up to 20 times normal(I also take cinammon every time I eat any meal containing carbs for the same reason). I then eat another huge postworkout meal an hour later consisting of faster digesting carbs(usually white potatoes) and protein. I try to make sure these 2 shakes and the postworkout meal make up about 50% or sometimes even more of my daily calorie intake because it helps to ensure a very anabolic response by the body to the training just completed and really minimizes the chance for any of it to be stored as fat, even with the insulin spike, which normally would increase the chance of fat storage, especially in endomorphs...

This also helps to build muscle while in a calorie deficit as well utilizing nutrient timing, which is a vastly under utilized tool by most people. You CAN build muscle while in a calorie deficit and lost fat by continuing to lift heavy, making sure the body understands it needs to keep the muscle you have, and then add to it by creating a very anabolic environment directly after working out. It won't be anywhere near the amount you could build doing this in a calorie surplus, but it will be a gain of muscle nonetheless, whihc many clami is impossible. Its not impossible, its just a lot harder and depends a lot more on the timing of the nutrients than normal...

In other words ...

1. Eat in calorie deficit

2. Time the bulk of your calories before, during and after your workout.

3. Time the rest right before bed to kill pre-bed cravings, and optionally at breakfast if you lack morning energy.

4. Worry about macronutrients once you are eating in a deficit and want to optimize body composition (high pro, low carb, low fat).