Can't get a solid dating rotation going for love nor money

[Bingo-Player]

So I guess you don't care about body count, right ? Because you actually go around and increase women's sexual partner count.

I'm being intentionally ironic here, because red pill people like you will then complain that women with high body count are to be avoid for X reason, but you keep adding up to that number. It's people like you that make dating harder: your "unbothering" hardens women social defenses for later dating partners.

But I guess you must be happy, you emptied your balls and the consequences for the women you have been with is not of your concern.

I'm assuming you're female or maybe on the spectrum so I'll humour you

Nobody ever truly knows a female body count there are signs you can look for but generally a woman's never going to give you a straight answer so it's almost pointless asking , I certainly wouldn't bother

Women are not Disney princesses they know exactly what they are doing and most play the game a lot better than any man ever could

their "social defences" are fine they ultimately decide wether they are having sex with a man or not they're far from helpless

Finally the entire basis of a male / female relationship is to have sex theres no point shying away from that because it doesn't fit your ideology

 

[Bingo-Player]

It strikes me that I bet there are a lot of guys on this forum who would love to be in your place.

It also reminds me a song by Toto: "Hold the line, love isn't always on time". In other words, you can't just conjure up a woman who is girlfriend/LTR material. Just keep going, and eventually you will meet her. I don't know about the bit about having two or three and then narrowing it down, usually when I've met those "special girls", it's been apparent pretty quickly.

Yea there is that just feels I've been on a strange journey where I can never quite get what I want

Maybe the universe is just testing me with women I don't want...... I keep taking them for easy sex which is in turn stopping me from finding one I actually want

 

[Bingo-Player]

Why don't you just start off fvcking thema nd then just continue with FWB/dating?

The women I'm having sex with recently aren't really the types I would want to date ,

otherwise that's what I've pretty much always done , I'll usually have sex pretty quickly and if I'm into them I will keep seeing them

I'm just not really into any of the ones I've been bedding lately

 

[Bingo-Player]

Explain what those women have that you won't date that the ones you'll date.

Difficult to quantify it but I guess it boils down to the fact the women I've been sleeping with just lack any kind of "wow" factor

They're usually far more interested in me than I am them , but I usually end up giving in and smashing them for the sake of it

Then post nut clarity kicks in and I just want to get out of there

(I am aware this needs to stop and have been making changes already )

The girls I want to date are usually physically a lot more appealing to me and thus I automatically tend to find them more intriguing / interesting

 

[Clockwerk50]

Difficult to quantify it but I guess it boils down to the fact the women I've been sleeping with just lack any kind of "wow" factor

They're usually far more interested in me than I am them , but I usually end up giving in and smashing them for the sake of it

Then post nut clarity kicks in and I just want to get out of there

(I am aware this needs to stop and have been making changes already )

The girls I want to date are usually physically a lot more appealing to me and thus I automatically tend to find them more intriguing / interesting

I guess this is a sexual bracket issue. Using the analogy of the “big fish little pond”, you are currently the top option of these “undesirable” women that want to keep you around.

Regarding the good looking women, you are just a small fish; you have not gathered the resources necessary to start dating them or for them to be interested in you yet. Maybe start getting some “clout” in social media, become friends with a DJ, work on your Instagram, get a faster car or a better house, or apply for a reality TV show. I know you just moved to a new city so it might be time to branch out and become the top dog of your social circle since the competition is fiercer.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I guess this is a sexual bracket issue. Using the analogy of the “big fish little pond”, you are currently the top option of these “undesirable” women that want to keep you around.

Regarding the good looking women, you are just a small fish; you have not gathered the resources necessary to start dating them or for them to be interested in you yet. Maybe start getting some “clout” in social media, become friends with a DJ, work on your Instagram, get a faster car or a better house, or apply for a reality TV show. I know you just moved to a new city so it might be time to branch out and become the top dog of your social circle since the competition is fiercer.

Yea I kind of get this feeling too

Majority of women I get attention from are 6, 6.5's and a few 7's

Every now and then an 8 will display some interest , and this is really the type I would want as a GF but as you say they want to see some "clout" and I'm really not much of a clout chaser I never have been

 

[Chow Mein]

OP,

Thanks for starting this thread and heed the advice from more experienced members on here. You’re at a crucial fork in the road, continue and you will be banging chicks not to your standards that you would want a relationship with OR raise your standards in the women that you bang

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

One thing I have done is tried to tone the "fvck boy" vibes down , its hard though when you know women will usually respond positively to bad behaviour

First, you would do well to understand the difference between 'fock boy', 'bad boy' and 'rogue'. Hint, don't be anything with the word 'boy' in it.

I'm not intentionally setting out for this dynamic I just keep randomly meeting these types of women where I'm really not that bothered about them , but they put effort in with me and we just end up flirting / touching / kissing and quickly having sex ....after I usually couldn't care less wether I see the girls again or not

The reality is I actually WANT to date properly but I can't seem to find any women that fit this criteria

To me, this looks like 'bimbo burnout'. You lowered your standards to having sex with undesirable shallow women, resulting in unsatisfying sexual encounters that accumulate until the self-disgust renders the whole thought of sex unattractive.

Dating undesirable women is wasting time you should've spend on dating women you're actually attracted to. In relationships, it's better to be alone than in a bad relationship. In dating, not having a date is preferable to dating someone below your standards.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I've had a lot of sex this year probably the most I've had in a while , problem is it's all been causual flings / one night stands , usually same day lays etc and

I'm not intentionally setting out for this dynamic I just keep randomly meeting these types of women where I'm really not that bothered about them , but they put effort in with me and we just end up flirting / touching / kissing and quickly having sex ....after I usually couldn't care less wether I see the girls again or not

The reality is I actually WANT to date properly but I can't seem to find any women that fit this criteria

IDK wtf is going on I have little issue in approaching or talking to women building tension etc but I just can't seem to get women into a familiar dating rotation

The very few candidates I do meet that I feel could be suitable for longer term dating I slow down with and they just seem to rapidly go cold with me

I'm at an age where I just want like 2-3 women I can do activities with and build that tension up slowly , then have regular good sex with and eventually progress one to GF status and hopefully onto my future wife

I can't even seem to get them out on a "first date"

Anyone else finding this ? Is dating in the traditional sense just completely fvcked ? or am I just not doing something right ?

One thing I have done is tried to tone the "fvck boy" vibes down , its hard though when you know women will usually respond positively to bad behaviour


Sigh

What’s your criteria?

You might benefit from a sex moratorium.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Having meaningless sex and actually dating are two different things. Unfortunately, you are deep in the RP spectrum and will have to go through a rehab process. First question, how are you meeting these women you have had sex with?

this. casual sex is a waste of time and doesn't teach you much past a certain point, and this whole "plate theory" is cringe. OP is better off spending his time learning how to vet women, brutally. ask them the hard questions that actually matter, get them to tell on themselves. don't waste time with idle small talk and pointless questions.

Then post nut clarity kicks in and I just want to get out of there

I do think that sex is necessary for relationship vetting, you can't truly know how you feel about a women until she's lying in your bed after you nut. if you don't want her around after, stop seeing her.

 

[Solomon]

Yea I kind of get this feeling too

Majority of women I get attention from are 6, 6.5's and a few 7's

Every now and then an 8 will display some interest , and this is really the type I would want as a GF but as you say they want to see some "clout" and I'm really not much of a clout chaser I never have been

Most guys wish they had problems getting 6's&7's heck heck a 7 with a pleasant personality and a phat a$$ sometimes is better than a 9 who is judgemental and has an insufferable personality. i'll take the 6 or 7 over that anytime

IMO OP sounds like you're not fully attracted to those women and get bored as you mentioned the best thing to do is go for the women that you want and if you fail try again

 

[holidayad_]

I've had a lot of sex this year probably the most I've had in a while , problem is it's all been causual flings / one night stands , usually same day lays etc and

I'm not intentionally setting out for this dynamic I just keep randomly meeting these types of women where I'm really not that bothered about them , but they put effort in with me and we just end up flirting / touching / kissing and quickly having sex ....after I usually couldn't care less wether I see the girls again or not

The reality is I actually WANT to date properly but I can't seem to find any women that fit this criteria

IDK wtf is going on I have little issue in approaching or talking to women building tension etc but I just can't seem to get women into a familiar dating rotation

The very few candidates I do meet that I feel could be suitable for longer term dating I slow down with and they just seem to rapidly go cold with me

I'm at an age where I just want like 2-3 women I can do activities with and build that tension up slowly , then have regular good sex with and eventually progress one to GF status and hopefully onto my future wife

I can't even seem to get them out on a "first date"

Anyone else finding this ? Is dating in the traditional sense just completely fvcked ? or am I just not doing something right ?

One thing I have done is tried to tone the "fvck boy" vibes down , its hard though when you know women will usually respond positively to bad behaviour


Sigh

Yeah, man. Gotcha.

This is something I kind of discussed in this thread: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/tired-of-games.280142/.

I think it has a lot to do with the mentality of lowering your guard without losing your frame.

I say this because, for me, it's incredibly difficult to connect when you have to play these games with women.

Like it or not, it's going to be superficial. You're not going to open up, which means you'll isolate yourself, and as a result, your chances of connecting and understanding each other—even with those girls you think aren't qualified enough—will be drastically reduced.

And I think what @All_Kindz_Of_Gainz said makes sense. It's worth considering.

This is the reason, look no further. You have the modonna/wh0re complex, you treat girls you don't like very manly, like not giving a fvck, outcome independence, very alpha. (Wh0re complex)

Girls you see as LTR potential, you treat them differently, more accommodating, slower, less desire, more comfort. (Madonna complex)

This is as old as time and it should not be a surprise. Remember in school the girls you like didn't give you a time of day and the ones you didn't were all over you?

Same $hit, but now you're an adult and fail to recognize it.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Yeah, man. Gotcha.

This is something I kind of discussed in this thread: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/tired-of-games.280142/.

I think it has a lot to do with the mentality of lowering your guard without losing your frame.

I say this because, for me, it's incredibly difficult to connect when you have to play these games with women.

Like it or not, it's going to be superficial. You're not going to open up, which means you'll isolate yourself, and as a result, your chances of connecting and understanding each other—even with those girls you think aren't qualified enough—will be drastically reduced.

And I think what @All_Kindz_Of_Gainz said makes sense. It's worth considering.

You are right. Just like how heavy armour provides a knight with protection it also restricts his movement and flexibility. Similarly, a man who hides behind emotional defenses may feel secure but struggles to form deep connections. By embracing vulnerability, it allows for more authentic relationships and personal growth, demonstrating that true masculinity includes the strength to be open and genuine.

However, this is easier said than done, especially with the new 6 month vetting process women adhere to know days and the constant reminder that we have to be mysterious to keep the game going. Sadly, being open to be vulnerable and hurt is the correct protocol and there is actually a logic behind it. It does get easier if the girl likes you right of the bat since you can **** up multiple times and it won’t matter.

 

[holidayad_]

However, this is easier said than done, especially with the new 6 month vetting process women adhere to know days and the constant reminder that we have to be mysterious to keep the game going.

Perhaps the biggest problem is searching for something where we know we won't find it.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Nobody ever truly knows a female body count there are signs you can look for but generally a woman's never going to give you a straight answer so it's almost pointless asking , I certainly wouldn't bother

It’s quite easy to tell which ones have a high number. No questions necessary.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Aware I have restricted sample size and this obviously isn't the case on a wider scale it just feels like I'm in a very very wierd period of my dating life where it feels like nobody I meet seems to want to take dating / relationship seriously

In what sort of settings are you meeting these women?