Can One Really NOT CARE about what females think when we talk to them?

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The advice is to be outcome independent and not care. I get it but I think this is contradictory or at least hard to do. Especially when you are not a social or funny guy by nature. I went out with the girl I met at a party a few weeks ago. I found myself thinking during the date about what to say and reciting lines and comments in my head. The listening part wasn't too good on my end. Date went well anyway. Kiss closed.

What do you guy think about this? Any of ya at a level where you approach and what to say just comes out automatically?

Another girl I haven't talked to in a while texted me last night asking if I had plans for tonight. No plans so I said no and asked if she wanted to hang out. She said she would let me know. WTF? Why ask about my plans then?
 

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She asked because she's an attention wh0re.
 

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Mauser,

I didn't reply. I told her no plans so it would have been awkward to say I have plans. The exchanged happened in a matter of half an hr.
 

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true.

I'm thinking a better reply to the original text wold have been "what do you have in mind?" Or not say yes or no something vague.
 

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Ok. I did show beta traits with this girl before which she obviously remember based on her text. It's best to start from scratch with girls.
 

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When I had less experience with women, I used to force myself into an outcome independant state of mind when dealing with women. You just have to practice, it takes some effort...

But man, when you meet new women on a consistent basis and experience that 90% of them are stupid, worthless pieces of trash, you will automatically adopt a "whatever" attitude when talking to them.

So really, just go out there, ask a lot of phone numbers and set up a lot of dates. You'll soon become tired of their stupid mannerisms, their stupid ideas, their stupid EVERYTHING. See how much you care about what to say after that!
 

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I'll do that die hard.

Ive had some experiences recently that has shown me how stupid it is to put them on a pedestal. Will write about them later.

I struggle with finding the right tone and attitude. Don't want to come off as a bored but not the funny charismatic type. One thing Ive done that helps is to slow down. I used to talk super fast before. Now I talk in slow motion which really is normal speed.
 

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I dont care when im not interested. When im interested i can be clingy
 

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The more options you have.. the less you will care what any one woman thinks. The less co-dependent you are.. the less you will care what any one woman thinks.

Just like the more T-shirts you have.. the less you will care about the condition of any particular one. When you don't care about having T-shirts in general.. but you still like wearing them.. then you won't care about your only T-shirt getting stained even if you have no others.

When you already have women you're f*cking and you start talking to a new woman... you are really trying to figure out if YOU like HER... not so much if she likes you. If you have the alpha mindset where women are not really that important... but you still enjoy them.. then you won't care what any one woman thinks even if you have no others at the time.
 

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Makes sense Poon.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm starting to get the sense that a good strategy is to not care and be as normal as possible when interacting with women. I've had some success with being C&F and teasing them but inside I've always felt like "I'm trying" (doing it so they can like me). I'm in a race at that moment even if they don't know it.

Could just having normal (sort of boring) conversations and having a firm grasp of the game be enough? I'll test it in the next few days/week.

About those experiences I've had recently.

The new hire at my department ... the eye candy all guys are going gaga over ... she's beautiful with an European look. Very friendly and classy. Well ... we have a unisex bathroom at work (don't know why) and we all use it. I needed to take a leak right before leaving for the day and as I was going in she walked out of the bathroom. My God!! When I went in ... the smell in there was worst then I've ever experience (worst than when my bro goes to the bathroom... just horrendous).

Made me think about something I read that no matter how beautiful girls are they all **** and are normal human beings.

Another experience I had that proved how a lot of girls are disloyal. My coworker who I have gone out with but stopped because she has a bf and was giving mixed signals told me a month or so after she started her relationship with the bf she met up with an old flame down in Florida and had a week of fun and crazy sex. This kind of shocked me a bit. This girl from the outside doesn't look like the cheating type but after she told me this I doubt she hasn't cheated again on her bf. She could have cheated on him with me. But I gave up on her.
 

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Any girl who tells me "I will let you know" I delete the number of straight away these days especially when you haven't gone out with her before. I don't have time for those childish games. See the "I will let you know" thread on here for more. It's disrespectful and deserves a punishment either as a WTF, "Cool you have 30 seconds" or a straight number deletion.

When a girl asks you what are your plans it's best to make yourself look busy even if you're not. Always make yourself look busy and of high value. Even if you're living in your mum's basement and jerking off to Brazzers all day. That's one of the first rules. This girl was just playing you and trying to validate herself. She is an attention wh0re pure and simple.
 

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Nu Vision said:
Makes sense Poon.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm starting to get the sense that a good strategy is to not care and be as normal as possible when interacting with women. I've had some success with being C&F and teasing them but inside I've always felt like "I'm trying" (doing it so they can like me). I'm in a race at that moment even if they don't know it.

Could just having normal (sort of boring) conversations and having a firm grasp of the game be enough? I'll test it in the next few days/week.

About those experiences I've had recently.

The new hire at my department ... the eye candy all guys are going gaga over ... she's beautiful with an European look. Very friendly and classy. Well ... we have a unisex bathroom at work (don't know why) and we all use it. I needed to take a leak right before leaving for the day and as I was going in she walked out of the bathroom. My God!! When I went in ... the smell in there was worst then I've ever experience (worst than when my bro goes to the bathroom... just horrendous).

Made me think about something I read that no matter how beautiful girls are they all **** and are normal human beings.

Another experience I had that proved how a lot of girls are disloyal. My coworker who I have gone out with but stopped because she has a bf and was giving mixed signals told me a month or so after she started her relationship with the bf she met up with an old flame down in Florida and had a week of fun and crazy sex. This kind of shocked me a bit. This girl from the outside doesn't look like the cheating type but after she told me this I doubt she hasn't cheated again on her bf. She could have cheated on him with me. But I gave up on her.
Yep... you're right for the most part. Just go after what you want. Don't feel like you have to give a woman a REASON to like you or f*ck you. Just assume she likes you and assume she wants to f*ck you. Then go for it.

Also, don't focus all your attention on one woman. Flirt with all women you are attracted to. If you want their number, then ask for it. If you want to meet them for drinks. Then tell them. Just get to the point. Your time is valuable.

In short: Put the offer on the table and let the woman make her decision. If she makes the right decision you will sleep with her. If she makes the wrong decision.. well.. now you know where you stand and you can shift your focus to other women.

Women who give mixed signals or play hard to get are looking for a beta b!tch provider relationship. These women would jump in the sack with Leonardo Dicaprio no questions asked. But with you.. she wants to prove she is not a "slut" by making you wait and jump through hoops. This way you believe she is "high quality" and thus.. worth putting on a pedestal and being loyal to. Women play betas like a piano and all betas in relationships have their women on pedestals. Not realizing she is like every other woman and probably seen more sausage then a deli.

If you ever have to WAIT more than a week to f*ck a woman who seems interested.. then she sees you as a loyal beta b!tch.. not a "sexy alpha". This doesn't mean you can't still f*ck her. It just means she wants you to play by HER rules before she gives you her body. No alpha would ever play by a woman's rules. This is why women f*ck the alpha right away and make the beta b!tch wait. :crackup:
 

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Well said Poon King.

It's so true. Inviting girls to a drink right away or to get together is great because you know right away what's up. I always felt before like girls would not go for it because it is too soon buy if she likes you she will. If it was Brad Pitt she would likely say yes.

My coworker who looked innocent and like she would never cheat confessed to buying a ticket to go to Florida to bang a guy (her true love she says). If they wanna fvck you they will. She did all this while also saying she knows she and thus guy can't be together cos it wouldn't never work. Apparently he's a player. So this has taught me to f the good guy mentality and is best to be a bad motherfvcker. They end on top.
 

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Nu Vision said:
The advice is to be outcome independent and not care. I get it but I think this is contradictory or at least hard to do. Especially when you are not a social or funny guy by nature. I went out with the girl I met at a party a few weeks ago. I found myself thinking during the date about what to say and reciting lines and comments in my head. The listening part wasn't too good on my end. Date went well anyway. Kiss closed.

What do you guy think about this?
Well bro don't say stupid things, but don't think there one line or two that's going to make her rip her clothes off. Just be normal.

How can you recite lines and comments on a date? If you read enough about current events, social issues, fashion, and educate yourself, you can easily go with the flow and get her turned on.

I don't know how guys on here, with their money, they are so sharp and focused. Yet when it comes to the opposite sex, they melt like better. :down:

Another girl I haven't talked to in a while texted me last night asking if I had plans for tonight. No plans so I said no and asked if she wanted to hang out.
BRUTAL bro. Either you say Ill get back to you and buy time, or you say do what to come over watch a movie so it will lead to sex. But you don't say "no do you want to hang out.". That's weak.
She said she would let me know. WTF? Why ask about my plans then?
Oh man, you guys actually think women actually mean what they say. She didn't care about plans, she just wanted to know:

1. Are you sleeping with other women?
2. Are you going sleep with her?

But ideally it doesn't matter what you say as long as you are not making yourself look vulnerable and weak so it leaves the decision in her hands.
 

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Trump,

Now I realize how weak my response was. Wow! Total AFC. She just texted me about not being sure she will goout because is so cold and saying stupid little things like maybe she should run inside her apartment to warm up ... that she loves to take naps and just took a 3 hr nap .. lol ... I'm not even going to respond to this.
 

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Let me add my little piece. Like some already mentioned , the more options you have the more you will naturally stop caring & believe it all not it doesn't even mean having more women ..simply having things to do.

I came out a 4 year relationship that dragged me down. So naturally I started talking to this girl from college. I managed to sex her 2-3 times and reverted back to my beta stage because of heartbreak. She started giving me the " I will see " & " I'm busy this day/week".

I sat down and said to myself , what a shame that I actually stood for this. I focused on other things and Building my self back. Once I got that to about 70% I started scoring again.

So guess what ? I msged the same girl that blows me off and asked her to hang out and she said " I will let you know". Waited a whole day on Friday no response but it didn't phase me. Today I had a date and I took the date to the stupid ***** ' s workplace. Made sure she was my waitress too Hahahahaha.
She sent me a message " can I call you we have to talk about today " no reply ...she called I didn't pick up. Treat them how they want to be treated brah
 

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Don't respond "Do you want to hang?" Tell her what you want to do or are doing. Be specific and let her know this is what you ARE doing and invite her along. Then go do it with or without her.

What your response told her was that you have nothing going on without her.... not a good place to be. If you wanted to just hang out at your place and you didn't want to go out... then say "Busy week, just hanging out at my place watching Netflix, I'm ordering in Japanese... bring a bottle of Sake and come over."

Or

"Heading out to a comedy club at 8 come join me."

Tell her what you want to do. Women respond much better to specific plans than a ubiquitous "hang out".
 

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She texted last nught: "homie where are you?"

I didn't reply. Then another text hours later: "wwhat happened to our fabulous plans for tonught?"

Didn't reply either. F her and all flaky girls.
 

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You ****ed up.

" homie where are you'

You: hey @ the movies , or on a date , or dining out with this girl I met at school/work , I will will msg you later.

Don't bother msging her back. Consider in your head that you lost. Let her chase or delete her number. And even if she ask/sets up dates , don't go with it right away ....MAKE her know you are busy.
 

Too Many Women?

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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