can men and woman be friends?

[BadBoy89]

When men lack sexual attraction to a woman, friendship is more possible. However, issues tend to arise in these friendships. They aren't usually as fulfilling as friendships with other heterosexual males.

Even that doesn’t work.

The only way a man is “friends” with a woman is when he finds her attractive enough to sleep with her. I’ve never seen a man “friends“ an older overweight women.

One disappointment I have in the mating environment over the years is that none of my interactions with my friends' girlfriends/wives led to anything. I never received social circle introductions from these girlfriends/wives. It would have made my life easier and would have reduced the amount of stranger approaching and app swiping I did.

Come on bro, With the knowledge in your posts, I’m very surprised you say this.

There is no chance in hell any of your friends girlfriends/wives will introduce you, None. First of all, they don’t care. They don’t want to put time and effort into it, 2nd, you being alone and not with any girl is GOOD for them. When you are alone, your friends tells his wife “See SW15, with all his good qualities, can’t find a girl. You should appreciate me 10 times more than you do.” They don’t want you to be happy and connect with a girl. 3rd, if they do and it goes wrong, who gets the blame?

If I had a wife and my wife knew 2-3 single females for my single guy friend, I don’t think I’d allow her to introduce them to him.

 

[SW15]

One disappointment I have in the mating environment over the years is that none of my interactions with my friends' girlfriends/wives led to anything. I never received social circle introductions from these girlfriends/wives. It would have made my life easier and would have reduced the amount of stranger approaching and app swiping I did.

Come on bro, With the knowledge in your posts, I’m very surprised you say this.

There is no chance in hell any of your friends girlfriends/wives will introduce you, None. First of all, they don’t care. They don’t want to put time and effort into it, 2nd, you being alone and not with any girl is GOOD for them. When you are alone, your friends tells his wife “See SW15, with all his good qualities, can’t find a girl. You should appreciate me 10 times more than you do.” They don’t want you to be happy and connect with a girl. 3rd, if they do and it goes wrong, who gets the blame?

If I had a wife and my wife knew 2-3 single females for my single guy friend, I don’t think I’d allow her to introduce them to him.

If I had received social circle introductions, it might have made things easier in life. I've had to work harder in life because of lacking the introductions. That enabled me to get the knowledge that I've gained over the years and shared in my posts. Thank you also for recognizing and appreciating the knowledge.

I think that I never got those introductions mostly for Reason #1 of the reasons you mentioned in your quality analysis. I don't think any of my friends' girlfriends/wives ever cared enough. I also don't think some of them had the social connections either to make a match. Reason #3 is also relevant. I also think it is possible Reason #2 has happened with my friends. I haven't exactly been alone over time as I have put up a solid notch count. However, I also haven't had the longevity in my relationships that my friends have had.

When men lack sexual attraction to a woman, friendship is more possible. However, issues tend to arise in these friendships. They aren't usually as fulfilling as friendships with other heterosexual males. If the friendship is local, the unattractive or mid female friend may or may not provide introductions to her friends. Some of her friends might be attractive.

Even that doesn’t work.

The only way a man is “friends” with a woman is when he finds her attractive enough to sleep with her. I’ve never seen a man “friends“ an older overweight women.

I think men might be friends with a mid looking woman if she's on the younger side. I can't imagine men being friends with older, overweight women.

A man being friends with a mid looking woman who is younger and not overweight isn't likely to work that well.

Men can have positive acquaintance type interactions with women and positive interactions with female co-workers but going beyond that is a challenge. It's not a good challenge either.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I think men might be friends with a mid looking woman if she's on the younger side. I can't imagine men being friends with older, overweight women.

A man being friends with a mid looking woman who is younger and not overweight isn't likely to work that well.

Men can have positive acquaintance type interactions with women and positive interactions with female co-workers but going beyond that is a challenge. It's not a good challenge either.

It's fine if he has options. Most men don't have many, that's what clouds their brains.

Also I'd bet most men have the mindset of "friends" with the caveat that if she offered something sexual he wouldn't say no. IOW he wouldn't put in seduction effort but wouldn't turn down an easy lay if she's reasonably attractive. I've had this happen more than a few times. It's often because the female friend knows I'm not going to mess it up by developing feelings or acting stupid afterwards. This is what most women mean when they say they don't want to "ruin the friendship." They want a safe familiar lay without the guy simping afterward. Most guys show signs that they will simp so it never happens.

As for the age bracket, people generally socialize with other people in their age range, with a few exceptions.

 

[LTG71]

I should also add that most women friends I’ve had in recent years are ones I met through work. That sets up a respectful platonic dynamic from the beginning, generally.

I met the boyfriend of my current female friend. I’m sure he was skeptical in the beginning, but he’s been cool with me because he gets that I’m her coworker. So we get along ok.

I’ve always been respectful of their relationship and never said a bad word about the guy.

Same here. One female coworker’s boyfriend was skeptical but he should really be more critical of his girl. She moves from one male coworker to the next and has almost no female coworker friends. Classic insecure attention hoe. Flirts to get attention from men while in competition with other females at work.

In this environment, I only engage with female coworkers I find pleasant and emotionally stable. I don’t need any extra drama in my life. Those are acquaintances and very surface level since most social interactions have become a potential HR grievance these days, lol.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Rollo talked about this in one of his books. If she´s not letting you hit it, its because she sees you as a female friend.

 

[HaleyBaron]

they can be better friends than feminized males though.

Does that include gay male friends? I'm very curious actually.

 

[Tilex]

It depends on her maturity, level of respect, and how feminine to the core she is by nature.

The biggest problem in the male/female friendship dynamic is the female constantly emasculating her male friend in every disgusting way possible.
She'll talk about things you really don't want hear.
Like some guy she met from work pounded her pvssy hard last night, and now she's pregnant because he didn't wear a condom.
Or she'll ask you: "How big do you think his d!ck is?"

 

[Divorced w 3]

You ever seen how two best female friends treat each other? Yeah enuff said.

Bullseye

 

[Mike32ct]

It depends on her maturity, level of respect, and how feminine to the core she is by nature.

The biggest problem in the male/female friendship dynamic is the female constantly emasculating her male friend in every disgusting way possible.
She'll talk about things you really don't want hear.
Like some guy she met from work pounded her pvssy hard last night, and now she's pregnant because he didn't wear a condom.
Or she'll ask you: "How big do you think his d!ck is?"

I know what you’re saying.

There are some that save the graphic stuff for their girl friends.

But many do not. I will note that, in most cases, they aren’t purposely trying to be emasculating or gross with TMI. They generally don’t mean any disrespect towards the guy friend.

She’s just super comfortable with the guy friend (sometimes too much so lol), and thus she talks openly without a filter. It’s a sign of trust.

 

[LTG71]

She’s just super comfortable with the guy friend (sometimes too much so lol), and thus she talks openly without a filter. It’s a sign of trust.

It’s a sign of covert manipulation. Women know what guys want and they will stick out that carrot, even if only to serve their own ego. She‘ll bring up sexual topics even tho you are clearly designated as a “friend.”

If she tells her female friends the same subject, there Is no emotional reward. One coworker who gained some weight over time told me recently that, “her boobs have gotten so big that her back hurts.“ I told her, “some women pay good money to have that problem.“ To me that conversation was validation seeking. I feel insecure about myself but I have these big tits now, let me go fishing for a compliment from a guy. They do this because they want to feel better about themselves at that given moment. I should have said, “I don’t believe you, you’ll have to show me“ but I remembered we were at work.

What is ironic is if you said it first, “wow, your boobs are big now.” You could get back, ”don’t be such a creep.” You need a secret decoder ring to figure out when such comments are appropriate. To me this is too much work. Guy friends are far easier.

 

[CornbreadFed]

If I had received social circle introductions, it might have made things easier in life. I've had to work harder in life because of lacking the introductions. That enabled me to get the knowledge that I've gained over the years and shared in my posts. Thank you also for recognizing and appreciating the knowledge.

If you have to try then it is over lol.