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can men and woman be friends?

PlatoPacks23

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I find I can be friends w woman, but in general im noticing a pattern (most of the time, maybe 7 or 8 out of 10x) that the power dynamic inevitably seems to just favor the woman. like she's always the one "deciding" things, things are always more wishy washy, and there's a frustration in me I guess in most cases still bc other guys are still trying to be "friends" w them too. In the cases where I am friends w them genuinely, it's normally bc they already have BF's or LTR"s but in any regular scenario I would be trying to date them otherwise.


I feel like there's a difference from that versus when I'm friends with a guy and HE brings her girlfriend into a group and the dynamic feels a lot easier and smoother.

I'm struggling to see a reason to be truly "friends" with a woman and hanging out with them etc unless we are going out bc in general I dont see it as a 50/50 dynamic of friendship...
 

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Men and women can't be friends when there's physical attraction for at least one party. In most cases, it is usually the man who is physically attracted to the woman.

I don't think male-female friendship works well when there isn't physical attraction either. I had one female friend at one time who was mid. I rated her about 5. She wasn't overweight and her facial aesthetics were not impressive. She was being chased by hundreds of guys on the apps but barely attracting any attention in real life venues. She had sex with many men but failed to get any lasting commitment.

In our friendship, she was way too emotional and oversensitive.

I haven't had friendships or even good acquaintanceships with the girlfriends/wives of my male friends or male acquaintances in the last 15 years. No girlfriend/wife of a male friend ever made a real effort to introduce me to someone they knew when I was single/looking and their female connection was single/looking. In some cases, the girlfriend/wife was incapable of introductions. I think most barely even consider my existence.
 

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yes they can be friends.

I hear often that no, or that the man should avoid it.

If you smash, then its FWB. If not, then its just friends.

You ask, why would a man want to be friends with a woman that he does not smash. Lots of reasons, but it takes an advanced type of man to have a place for that. Important point is; its different to be eager to smash vs just accepting it if it happens.

Now... if he desperately wants to smash her and she avoids it, then that's not really friends from either side.
 

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I had a female friend I wasn’t attracted to. That worked pretty well. She was intelligent and had a guy’s sense of humor. We would hang out every few weeks. She moved away; otherwise I probably would have kept up the friendship.

I have another female friend that I initially was quite attracted to, but I ended up friendzoned. That sucked lol. But I got over it (ie dropped the ego), and she’s been a good friend to me. We go out to eat every few weeks.

Why do I bother? Honestly, I found women friends are more likely to make (and keep) plans to hang out than guy friends.

I have a good guy friend that I talk on the phone with frequently, but getting him to meet up in person is like pulling teeth.
 

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This topic gets debated here frequently. IMO - the short answer is “no” 9/10 times. This is because someone between the two is going to feel some type of attraction that prevents a platonic friendship from being possible. It’s just how humans are wired. Women also generally don’t make great friends to men - although that’s another topic entirely.

The few instances where it can work are if they are a longtime family friend (basically almost family herself) or if it is a friend’s wife that becomes part of your social circle. Even with the latter though, there is potential for it to become something else. It’s that potential that basically means you’re never truly just “friends.”
 

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Yes. I have long term male friendships. These are not orbiters in any way. I'm taking one (who is fighting cancer) to his biopsy next week. My husband has become friends with my guy friends and has no issue, I introduce women to my guy friends and when I was single I'd wing for them.

A hot woman is a great wing, but she's got to have an answer when women ask well why aren't YOU with him? Good answers are "well he's my husband's friend", "we work together", or something else that makes plausible sense.

I'm a little unusual though in that I grew up with boys and was very close to my dad doing typical boy stuff like hunting & fishing & helping with projects. I was a total tomboy. So I can talk cars & sports etc with the guys. I had to learn how to socialize with women in high school & university because as a young woman I understood men much better than women.

So I've had close male friends all my life. My dad had close female friends; my husband has close female friends including an ex gf. She's become a great friend of mine too.

But ya. Maturity required. You cannot be an orbiter.
 

HaleyBaron

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I find I can be friends w woman, but in general im noticing a pattern (most of the time, maybe 7 or 8 out of 10x) that the power dynamic inevitably seems to just favor the woman. like she's always the one "deciding" things, things are always more wishy washy, and there's a frustration in me I guess in most cases still bc other guys are still trying to be "friends" w them too. In the cases where I am friends w them genuinely, it's normally bc they already have BF's or LTR"s but in any regular scenario I would be trying to date them otherwise.


I feel like there's a difference from that versus when I'm friends with a guy and HE brings her girlfriend into a group and the dynamic feels a lot easier and smoother.

I'm struggling to see a reason to be truly "friends" with a woman and hanging out with them etc unless we are going out bc in general I dont see it as a 50/50 dynamic of friendship...
can men and woman be friends?
No.
 

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I can't resist, but this is a woman's perspective. Not knocking this though. Enter the judge.

Yes. I have long term male friendships. These are not orbiters in any way. I'm taking one (who is fighting cancer) to his biopsy next week. My husband has become friends with my guy friends and has no issue, I introduce women to my guy friends and when I was single I'd wing for them.

Most men would refuse platonic friendships with women, whether before or after sex happened. They don't want to hear about some other guy winning while you're losing. Now the part where you're introducing other women (hopefully hot and available) to said male friends is a plus, provided they actually hook up. Not sure how often that happens though. I've never had a woman wing for me, and if she did, something went wrong.

A hot woman is a great wing, but she's got to have an answer when women ask well why aren't YOU with him? Good answers are "well he's my husband's friend", "we work together", or something else that makes plausible sense.

I've seen someone go to a venue with a hot chick. Turned out she was an insta-thot turned escort. But it helped him, I think. I say that because more dudes were going up to him. I'd still need more proof...this sounds good in theory, not so much in practice.

I'm a little unusual though in that I grew up with boys and was very close to my dad doing typical boy stuff like hunting & fishing & helping with projects. I was a total tomboy. So I can talk cars & sports etc with the guys. I had to learn how to socialize with women in high school & university because as a young woman I understood men much better than women.

Give all these guys a Lamborghini or a spot on their favorite pro sports team, you'll likely find them more attractive. But you're married now, who knows how you'd actually feel? Let's not go down that rabbit hole out of respect.

So I've had close male friends all my life. My dad had close female friends; my husband has close female friends including an ex gf. She's become a great friend of mine too.

I'm sure many want to smash. Make no bones about it. A man with female friends? He'll eventually want to smash. I've had older chicks want to just be friends with me, and my rejection of that pisses them off. Same as if they want to "take it slow". Morph into their favorite athlete or celeb, see if they want to take things slow then. Hint: they won't. I cannot be reduced to platonic friends or orbiters (any beta role). Now if these women are helping me grow my business or are working for me, I can accept that. That's a case where I won't want to smash.

But ya. Maturity required. You cannot be an orbiter.

I would just say 255/256 platonic friendships would either fail or just be beneficial for the woman. Not so for the guy outside of business or she's a great wingwoman who consistently brings results. In most platonic friendships, the guy is some beta orbiter. Most guys are mature enough to recognize the unfavorable dynamic and reject it. The woman may get upset, but only because she's not getting a new beta simp on her roster. Guy doesn't get sex, gal doesn't get emotional support.
Read between the lin- Thanks for a rather sensible post.
 

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It’s just how humans are wired
The quote just explain why women who works with men in a job, will eventually cheat one day.

Anyway,
being "friend" with men it's also a "digital" thing nowadays.
I don't like what He says around minute 8, about esabilishing "boundaries" in a indirect way.
If you're serious about your LTR, You MUST tell her what you consider a limit and what is not!
What do you think?


And btw, one of my boundaries I've set for what I consider to be LTR is "to not use social media at all".
Infact, during the LTR, social media will be paused. If she won't agree, I'll next her.
 

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No chance in hell.

When a man is friends with a woman, the point isn’t friendship, the point is the man is hanging around waiting for a moment of weakness from the woman so he can swoop in and have sex. As SW15 said, there had to be attraction for a man to be friends with a woman.

Now some people say “I had a female friend I wasn’t attracted to.” Initially, I’ll agree. But there was at least SOME attraction, because if a man keeps hanging out with her, he will eventually fall for her.

How come I never see a man “friends” with a woman who is 20 kg overweight? Hey, it’s friendship right?

How come I never see a man go to nursing homes and play checkers with old ladies? Hey. It’s friendship right?

You all fooling yourselves.
 

Vanderdonck

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A man with abundance can be friends with anyone he wants to.

A man with a scarcity mindset either will feign friendship when he's attracted, or he'll reject her as a friend because he's butthurt and lacks options.
 

We_ArE_VeNOM

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Can't speak for all men or women..but me personally; no.

I refuse to have platonic female friends.

But then again, I don't even have male friends.

Lone wolf.
 
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