Can a Human take on any animal?

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I was watching animal face off and thought it would be cool if they did a show for humans vs animals. The problem is that aside from bugs and maybe house cats, which animal would a human even stand a chance against?

even dogs have Jaws which can break bones very easily. what do humans have that could be considered "dangerous"? sure, maybe intelligence, but in a natural environment, the average human would not stand a chance. Intelligence be dammed.

Of course, this is a weapons free fight except for maybe a stick (swords, staff, hand held weapons etc.) or something. not GUNS!

is there anything we weak humans can take on?
 
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Interesting question.

I think a better way to ask the question is whether there's an animal of similar size and mass or bigger that would could kill with our bare hands. For the most part no, though some animals like deer are larger than us, but they are frightened by us and run away at first sight.

A human's most powerful weapon is his brain and strategy. If I ran up against an attacking wild animal and had no weapon, the only thing I can probably do is try to gouge it's eyes outs while it's biting. The eyes are the weak points of all animals and can't be defended. And once the animal is blinded, it can't attack you anymore. So if something attacks you and have a stick handy, don't go trying to hit the animal over the head with the stick, jab the stick into the animal's eyes like a dagger.
 
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Heh cool thread. Assuming the guy is in shape, (fairly strong, fast) and quick witted. Also it's one vs. one.

Big dogs or wolves about 60/40 favoring the man. If the guy is quick enough it's possible to beat up a dog/wolf unarmed. The key is to avoid getting bit.

Big cats (mountain lion, leopard, panther and larger) 20/80. Very unlikely a man could win against a big cat. A scratch or bite would be very damaging. The bigger cats also have a large amount of striking strength.

Medium sized primates (chimp, baboon, orangutan) about 60/40. The primates are very strong and can dislocate or rip off limbs. Biting is also dangerous. If you don't let it grab you or get on top, it's possible to win.

Gorilla: Very small if any chance of winning

Bear: Same as gorilla.

Alligator/crocodile: If the guy knows how to wrestle them and he's in a safe amount of water then he may have a chance. If the conditions are unfavorable, then he has little chance.
 

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Ok, no guns.

But why not use the stuff humans used ages ago to compete with animals.

A stick that's on fire will probably scare away some animals. Your bare hands aren't too useful but you could probably crack an animal's skull with a rock, etc..

Of course at the end of the day you would still have terrible odds, but using your brain to make use of even simple tools would probably help a lot. Just using brute force with your bare hands will get you eaten in no time.
 

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I wonder though, of all "great ape" primates, why are humans the most physically weak, pound for pound? Why are gorillas and chimpanzees so damn strong?
 

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Depends on the situation - unarmed, most predators on the scale of an attack dog or larger will have a good chance of doing a lot of potentially lethal damage. Only blows to the nose, attacking the eyes and kicks to the stomach/ribs in rapid fashion might save your ass without a weapon.

This is the 'reasoning' quite a few vegans use to support their lifestyle - that we can't 'naturally' kill animals and so our 'position' is low in the food chain, making us herbivores. (not only is that a load of crap - plenty of dumbwitted birds can be killed by hand, but we evolved to depend on the effective use of our environment and tools)
 

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speakeasy said:
I wonder though, of all "great ape" primates, why are humans the most physically weak, pound for pound? Why are gorillas and chimpanzees so damn strong?
Because we don't need to be. Primates are climbing trees all day and rely heavily on other acts of strength in order to survive and reproduce. Gorillas and chimps have to fight each other just for females, aside from evading or overpowering potential predators. Man's early predecessors were also much stronger than modern man, for the same reason. We are no longer blindly, unstrategically tackling buffalo with sticks and rocks (as the stronger neandertals and homo erectus did); we now use our brains (via technology and strategy) to circumvent our need for muscles.

Organismal bodies do not retain traits which are no longer selected for. Furthermore, additional tissue requires additional energy, and it is far more efficient for the body to lose that which it does not need. These reasons are why snakes do not have legs and modern man has comparatively weak muscles. It's also why a bodybuilder will lose muscle mass very quickly, if he suddenly stops working out.
 

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what? physical strength alone, no. human's strength is intelligence and ability to make dangerous **** to protect themselves.

i will bring a rifle vs any animal and PWN those noobs
 

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speakeasy said:
I wonder though, of all "great ape" primates, why are humans the most physically weak, pound for pound? Why are gorillas and chimpanzees so damn strong?
They have to compensate for those tiny brains somehow.
 

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Actually it would be possible for a person to win under certain circumstances. First, most animals don't want to risk getting hurt, so if you put off enough of a fight and hit certain spots, some will back down. Next would be stangulation or breaking the animals neck. Some have a gag reflex to exploit and others you would have to climb on their back. The chances of doing that may be moderate, but it's possible if you know what you're doing. Third it would be using the environment to your advantage. Apes can't swim, so geting one in deep water would basically be the end of the fight provided it doesn't pull you under. Using sticks or rocks for weapons would work but that also involves getting in good hits.
 

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There's a reason humans are "on top of the food chain," their (our) intelligence is superior to that of any animal , and therefore humans have an initial advantage. What it seems like a lot of people here are doing is giving the animals as many advantages as possible. For example, obviously if a human is dropped in a swamp, the alligator is going to have an advantage in the water. What if the alligator is dropped onto a (empty) city street, it'l have absolutely no chance against the human. Do you see what I'm getting at? Unless the animal has some specific advantage, the human is likely to win.
 

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^^^

it's not about giving the animals advantages, but just making it fair. In a fight, all an animal would have it's its own abilities and body. It wouldn't be a fight if you could just roll in there with an Uzi and kill the darn thing. That's why I said no Guns. Other weapons (sticks, swords, staff etc.) are ok because they do not break the competition to the point of being unfair. I should have clearified.

this scenario is a fight. which animal species would have the upper hand in a fight? Human intelligence is one thing, but brains will only get you so far if you're dealing with somethings that can rip your face off without breaking a sweat. The smartest man in the world would still lose to Mohammad Ali, because without skill and some degree of strength or equalizer, that intelligence means nothing. Humans have done this in the way of technology and Guns, but you have to consider that a gun would just be overkill, since the animal possess non of these. That's why only certain weapons would be a fair match.

This fight is just like the face off. we take the full grown, highest potential from each species and see which one is likely to win.
How would a full grown, male warrior with a background in survival fair against common wild and dangerous animals?

also, you are aware that alligators can run at about 35 MPH right? so even in a city, they'd still have a big edge
 

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Da Realist said:
Actually it would be possible for a person to win under certain circumstances. First, most animals don't want to risk getting hurt, so if you put off enough of a fight and hit certain spots, some will back down. Next would be stangulation or breaking the animals neck. Some have a gag reflex to exploit and others you would have to climb on their back. The chances of doing that may be moderate, but it's possible if you know what you're doing. Third it would be using the environment to your advantage. Apes can't swim, so geting one in deep water would basically be the end of the fight provided it doesn't pull you under. Using sticks or rocks for weapons would work but that also involves getting in good hits.
I once watched "I shouldn't be alive" I think it was, where this man was attacked by an alligator while trying to find dry land for his friends (they were trapped in the middle of a lake).

He go fvcked up pretty bad, but he did something where he actually drowned the alligator. i don't know what, i'd have to watch it again lol

thankfully it was a rather medium sized gator and not a huge one
 

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Here is my 2 cents:
Able Bodied Man vs Dog= Dog gets strangled to death
Able Bodied Man vs Lion= Man dies horrible death
Able Bodied Man vs Chimpanzee= Chimp chews off mans face, fingers, and privates.. man loses
Able Bodied Man vs Shark= Man is seriously wounded but blinds shark
Able Bodied Man vs Elephant= Man stomped to death
Able Bodied Man vs Bull= Man stomped to death
Able Bodied Man vs Marmot= Man dominates Marmot
 

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Honestly, if you want to make this a fair assessment, no weapons (even sticks) should be allowed, it should be pure physicality. Secondly, no terrain choice. It should occur in an empty room, and this should be a fight to the death, not some "hurt the animal enough it gives up" bs. Third, the person needs to be naked, clothing and shoes affords extra protection and weapons.

Assuming all this, practically any animal close to human size or weight (let's set weight at at least 50 pounds)will flat out whip a persons a** no questions asked. Despite what some people here think, typically even a decent sized dog (in a to the death fight) will win. They have better natural weapons, quicker reaction times, they're faster, and pound for pound stronger. Yeah, "strangling" a dog sounds like a game plan but I'd like to see it, they're probably a 99% chance you fail. Then again there's the fact that most people are trained to avoid violence, so most can't even fight against another person let alone something stronger and faster with sharper teeth.

I highly doubt blinding something can keep it from attacking as well. Practically every animal on earth has better senses than man. They can smell you or hear you, things don't have to see you to hurt you. It'll be pretty pissed you blinded it too

Then there's the fact that in the heat of the moment, you're not gonna have time to formulate a game plan. Without our greatest asset, knowledge and the ability to use tools, we're practically easy pickings for any decent sized animal. Give us that ability and the tables turn, explaining why alot of "dangerous" animals are endangered.

Why are animals so much stronger? That's an easy one. Their very survival depends on their strength, whether that be running from predators or running down prey. A chimp can't go to the supermarket for bananas, he's gotta climb the tree. Animals move their body weight around at all kinds of angles daily yet most people are so accustomed to laziness that they can't do 20 pushups.
 

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