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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
I remember not finishing a big pizza once (I was really full) and the girl I was with considered me less of a man for it. And she was serious

That's kinda the standard now. One little chink in your armor and they think about it deeply

It's brutal out there
 

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I remember not finishing a big pizza once (I was really full) and the girl I was with considered me less of a man for it.
So much for low body fat.
I can't imagine women holding these ridiculous standards. No woman would be worth putting up with such nonsense. If I felt like I had to live up to something like this, I would just become a monk. With the virus, we're halfway there anyway.
 

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I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of this technique, having employed it myself a number of times. I do question its long-term effectiveness in an LTR arrangement though. If you end up having to do this repeatedly with a girl, I feel it does take a toll that adds up over time. In purest definition, you are simply testing her to both prove and demonstrate that you are wearing the pants in the relationship. As we all know around here, the only way to stay in a relationship is to be slightly less interested/invested in the other person. Going no contact demonstrates and proves that this is the dynamic between you, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is also obviously a compliance test.

But here is my only issue with it: I believe that over time, if a man repeatedly demonstrates he is willing to just move on and never contact the woman again, eventually she will find someone else because she gets tired of feeling so disposable. We know that women react positively to some level of instability and frustration in a relationship, otherwise they get bored. But I also believe women truly do need a certain amount of stability and comfort knowing that the guy isn't going to just leave them at the drop of a hat. I can't say I know for sure where that balance is though.

I've been seeing a girl for a few months now. Last weekend she got upset with me over something I said. It was a moral/philosophical difference and despite her getting upset, I of course, held my ground firmly and didn't back down on my position. I didn't argue with her. Didn't tell her that her view was wrong or bad. I just told her I heard what she was saying and that I feel differently about it and there is nothing she is going to say or do that will make me feel guilty for having my different belief, nor change my mind. Normally, every day she initiates text with me multiple times a day. The following day she texted me half as much, and was short and cold. The next day I didn't get a text from her and I didn't initiate. She pulled back, so I pulled back too and went NC. A day or too later she initiated and was upset I hadn't reached out for her. We've done this same cycle three times before. She backs off, I go NC, she comes back around and gets upset, asks me why I didn't call, I put it back on her and say if she wanted to talk to me there's no reason she couldn't call, she tries to argue with me about it, then she comes over and we have amazing make-up sex. But each time that's happened, she's been madder and madder and started to "warn" me that she "isn't sure if we are going to make it." This last time she started arguing, again about how I didn't call her, AFTER the amazing make-up sex. I could tell the argument was manifesting from her feeling disposable by knowing that I'm willing to walk away and never talk to her again. So I guess we will see how much longer it lasts. I predict she will try to test me again. When she does, I will respond the same way I always have.

I think you can use this only so many times before a girl gets fed up and moves on. I mean, how man times can you lie and tell her she forgot that you reached out to her when you didn't before she knows you are lying and using this as a tactic. I do see the argument from some that if she does move on, maybe it's for the best, but I feel there may be other and better ways. Even the author mentions there are better ways, but doesn't hint at what he feels they are. My belief is that the best way to keep things from sliding is to find ways to bring out submission from her as a regular part of your interactions with her.
 
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I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of this technique, having employed it myself a number of times. I do question its long-term effectiveness in an LTR arrangement though. If you end up having to do this repeatedly with a girl, I feel it does take a toll that adds up over time. In purest definition, you are simply testing her to both prove and demonstrate that you are wearing the pants in the relationship. As we all know around here, the only way to stay in a relationship is to be slightly less interested/invested in the other person. Going no contact demonstrates and proves that this is the dynamic between you, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is also obviously a compliance test.

But here is my only issue with it: I believe that over time, if a man repeatedly demonstrates he is willing to just move on and never contact the woman again, eventually she will find someone else because she gets tired of feeling so disposable. We know that women react positively to some level of instability and frustration in a relationship, otherwise they get bored. But I also believe women truly do need a certain amount of stability and comfort knowing that the guy isn't going to just leave them at the drop of a hat. I can't say I know for sure where that balance is though.

I've been seeing a girl for a few months now. Last weekend she got upset with me over something I said. It was a moral/philosophical difference and despite her getting upset, I of course, held my ground firmly and didn't back down on my position. I didn't argue with her. Didn't tell her that her view was wrong or bad. I just told her I heard what she was saying and that I feel differently about it and there is nothing she is going to say or do that will make me feel guilty for having my different belief, nor change my mind. Normally, every day she initiates text with me multiple times a day. The following day she texted me half as much, and was short and cold. The next day I didn't get a text from her and I didn't initiate. She pulled back, so I pulled back too and went NC. A day or too later she initiated and was upset I hadn't reached out for her. We've done this same cycle three times before. She backs off, I go NC, she comes back around and gets upset, asks me why I didn't call, I put it back on her and say if she wanted to talk to me there's no reason she couldn't call, she tries to argue with me about it, then she comes over and we have amazing make-up sex. But each time that's happened, she's been madder and madder and started to "warn" me that she "isn't sure if we are going to make it." This last time she started arguing, again about how I didn't call her, AFTER the amazing make-up sex. I could tell the argument was manifesting from her feeling disposable by knowing that I'm willing to walk away and never talk to her again. So I guess we will see how much longer it lasts. I predict she will try to test me again. When she does, I will respond the same way I always have.

I think you can use this only so many times before a girl gets fed up and moves on. I mean, how man times can you lie and tell her she forgot that you reached out to her when you didn't before she knows you are lying and using this as a tactic. I do see the argument from some that if she does move on, maybe it's for the best, but I feel there may be other and better ways. Even the author mentions there are better ways, but doesn't hint at what he feels they are. My belief is that the best way to keep things from sliding is to find ways to bring out submission from her as a regular part of your interactions with her.
That last sentence....how do you do it? Assigning tasks for her to serve you?
 

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That last sentence....how do you do it? Assigning tasks for her to serve you?
Fist of all, in bed. The bedroom is always the place where being submissive feels comfortable and natural for even “dominant” women, and if they can’t be submissive there, then I personally get turned off and end it. That’s only ever happened once though... I think it is pretty rare. I have dated a number of dominant women and if they can be submissive, the bedroom is the place where it comes most naturally and easily for them.

Aside from that, I believe it is important to ask women to do things for you. Do not take that to mean she should be serving you like a servant, nor take commands. As strange as it sounds, I think many, if not most, blue-pilled men, having grown up on movies and romantic music, are programmed and inclined to do FAR more for women than they expect in return. I know this was the case for me in my younger years. Watch any rom-com and you'll see the man trying to serve the woman until she finally accepts him. The shift that is needed is to understand that you should continue to do things for your girl, but you should EXPECT her to do things for you too, in-kind (but not tit-for-tat). And if you ask her to "make you a sandwich," and you ask politely, she should want to make it for you and she should do it. Many blue-pilled guys fawn over their girls hand and foot and do so many nice things for them, and wouldn't dare ask their girl to do anything for them (they would even accept a girl pushing back on their asks, even if he did 10 things for her previously). Women hate that. They want to be given the opportunity to serve, not be constantly spoiled without any expectations of them. In my opinion, the formula is: Give lavishly. Expect lavishly.
 
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As we all know around here, the only way to stay in a relationship is to be slightly less interested/invested in the other person. Going no contact demonstrates and proves that this is the dynamic between you, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is also obviously a compliance test.
So I have this plate I’ve been seeing for 2 months at college. She’s now 4 hrs away in her home town in the summer, which means I can’t bang her on the regular. Would keep it going but I’m going wayyy away to the UK to study abroad in the fall, so I wouldn’t see her for a year anyway.

Anyways, she was going to come to me in a week or so for a day or two. And I’m going to her town for two weeks in july for unrelated purposes.

But we usually call every night or close to, and I text a few times every day (she texts a lot more). But I got tired of calling her and texting her without regular sex so I just stopped. I just did this no contact strategy cause I want to. It’s been three days and she’s already called like 30 times. And she sent me two long text messages saying things like “I don’t know why you’re ignoring me”, “don’t leave me in the dark”, “if you want to end things, at least tell me directly”, “you did this outta nowhere” etc etc etc.

Lol. Imagine if a guy said this to a girl he asked out.

This thread says to act normal when you go back to her. Do you recommend that for me? Just wondering about the best way to end no contact for more bangs with minimal effort.
 

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The Easiest Way To Revive A Flagging Relationship
Uncategorized / Leave a Comment / By kingsoftheweb
Beta backsliding is a fact of life. Even the hardest alphas will occasionally show flashes of humanity that rev their women’s **** testing engines. Most of these moments are brief and dismissible, but woe to the man who can’t recognize his embetafying ineptitude; he will slowly lose dominant control of his relationships until one day he’s so scared of his woman that he believes her when she says she’ll leave him if he goes through with a paternity test.
When you become experienced with women your alert system for beta backsliding is so honed that you can tell within seconds of your woman pulling away from you which of your behaviors was the cause. When your awareness of the sexual matrix is fully advanced, you will even be able to tell with frightening accuracy how your woman will react to your behavior *before she has reacted*. Like aural bullets of **** tests flying at you from all directions, your Neo Game will slow time and warp space, stopping her **** tests in front of you, which you then send right back at her with double the force. A master of female psychology (MFP) is indistinguishable from a clairvoyant, predicting women’s actions before they have happened based on nothing more than a well-developed understanding of a woman’s animal nature.
The day will come when you get so good at this that you will throw beta chum in the water just to amuse yourself with her predictable response, in much the same way women amuse themselves by wrapping lesser men around their fingers with ostentatious displays of cleavage or flirty signals of sexual interest.
Which brings us to our question: What does a man do when he has lost the upper hand and his relationship is on the fast track to fail if he doesn’t take steps to arrest it? First, he must assess what led him to his predicament. Did he hug her too tightly in public? Did he make kissy face with her in front of other men? Did he nestle his head in her lap? Did he say “sorry”? Did he cry after sex? Did he do all of these things plus tell her she’s beautiful? If so, then he shouldn’t be surprised if she complains about his PDA, or moans about spending too much time together.
When a woman pulls back, a typical man’s instinct will be to try and fix his flagging relationship. Men do; that’s how we’re designed. Unfortunately, more often than not this male instinct to action will drive the nails into the coffin of his dying relationship. Most men overreact, either in the beta direction or the alpha direction. A beta will coo and pout and swarm with rays of undying love until his woman is repulsed and leaves him with her heart light and unburdened. An alpha will control and demean and lash out like an angry tyrant until his woman falls into the arms of a more charming man.
I have a better way. My advice is so simple that any man — from alpha to omega — can follow it with success. It’s this:
The easiest way to revive a flagging relationship is to cut off all contact.
That’s it. No routines to memorize, no alpha body language to learn, no reframing required; just one simple solution: Cut off all contact. No phone calls, no texts, no emails, no midnight drive-bys at her apartment. Nothing until she reinitiates contact with you.
And I guarantee that nine out of ten times she *will* reinitiate contact. Women cannot resist chasing a man who has made himself unavailable. The disappearing act is every man’s ace in the hole; women are nearly powerless to it. They have no defense. All it requires of the man is willpower. If you find it hard to be away from your woman’s ***** for more than a day, then you will have to find substitutes while in the No Contact Zone. A man on top of his game will have other women to service him. Lesser men will need to turn to porn or hookers. Or eat a lot of tofu and lick plastic bottles to lower his testosterone.
Depending on length of relationship and severity of the man’s beta offense, the No Contact Zone can last anywhere from a couple of days to a month. The beauty of this solution to revive a dying relationship is that even those rare times when she does not reinitiate contact you will have saved yourself time and energy dating a woman who was likely to dump you soon anyhow. And on the flimsiest pretext, like getting a smile from a high status bike messenger.
Note that I did not say this is the *best* method for rescuing a relationship on the rocks. I said it was the easiest method with the highest return for the minimal investment. If you’re a busy guy who can’t be bothered to run expert level effortless-seeming game, or if you’re a recovering beta who isn’t yet confident enough in his LTR game to risk a more proactive approach to a dying LTR, then the No Contact Zone is for you.
There’s one other thing you must know. If you don’t do this final step the right way then your No Contact Zone game will be for naught. Assuming she reinitiates contact (and she likely will), expect her to say something like this:
“Hey there! Haven’t heard from you in a while. What have you been up to?”
If your No Contact Zone game hit the mark, you will detect a hint of nervousness in her voice. Congratulations, sir, you have regained hand. BUT… you can lose it all if you in any way ACKNOWLEDGE the No Contact ruse. Like Fight Club, the first rule is to not talk about it. That means you act as if NOTHING IS UNUSUAL about your calculated time away from her.
“Hey, what’s up! Eh you know, the usual stuff, work, life. Did I tell you about my new hobby? Single malt scotch… oh yeeeah.”
This will, naturally, drive her mentally insane. Fitfully for us men, mental insanity in women triggers seismic gina tremors. She will invite herself over for (in her mind) make up sex. Your job is to step aside and let the hamster in her head spin itself to exhaustion as you fornicate to the wee hours.
One more thing. If she presses you on your absence, say by asking “Why haven’t you called me?”, you deny complicity in her frame. In other words, don’t allow yourself to get entrapped by her frame by answering defensively. Either deny her accusation (“You’re very forgetful. I called you a few days ago.”) or reframe the conversation to a focus on her clinginess (“I didn’t know I was supposed to call you every single second of the day. Aw, it’s cute that you think about me so much. Adorable!”)
Played right, No Contact Zone game is absolutely devastating to a woman’s sense of relationship entitlement and her bloated hypergamous ego.
What are some of the best books on female psychology? Frame?
 

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So I have this plate I’ve been seeing for 2 months at college. She’s now 4 hrs away in her home town in the summer, which means I can’t bang her on the regular. Would keep it going but I’m going wayyy away to the UK to study abroad in the fall, so I wouldn’t see her for a year anyway.

Anyways, she was going to come to me in a week or so for a day or two. And I’m going to her town for two weeks in july for unrelated purposes.

But we usually call every night or close to, and I text a few times every day (she texts a lot more). But I got tired of calling her and texting her without regular sex so I just stopped. I just did this no contact strategy cause I want to. It’s been three days and she’s already called like 30 times. And she sent me two long text messages saying things like “I don’t know why you’re ignoring me”, “don’t leave me in the dark”, “if you want to end things, at least tell me directly”, “you did this outta nowhere” etc etc etc.

Lol. Imagine if a guy said this to a girl he asked out.

This thread says to act normal when you go back to her. Do you recommend that for me? Just wondering about the best way to end no contact for more bangs with minimal effort.
I'd say I've been super busy with work and give a short perfunctory apology. Say you're still super busy but you can continue with chatting, etc but only for a few mins here or there. Drop in randomly that you've been missing her before you see her again (even if you haven't lol).
 
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