Calling on all the day walkers

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OK guys... this is really starting to ennoy me now...

As you may have seen from my FRs, I am fortunate enough to be able to pick up women on demand, but only in bars and nightclubs!

I mean I walk into a bar and I instantly think that it is acceptable for me to hit on women, so I just go in and do it and I don't care what anyone else around me thinks.

Now...

When it comes to approaching women during the day, in shops, coffee shops, train stops, etc.... I JUST CANT DO IT!!!!!!!!!! (unless i'm drunk, but that doesnt count)

I mean we all know, sarging in bars and night clubs is a lot harder because women "expect" to be chatted up, so their ***** shields are thicker. So I think I am really missing out by not being able to approach during the day.

I want guys with tight day-pickup to post what they do. I want to know how you overcame your fears.

I am so sick of the low quality, trashy women I meet in bars and clubs which are not good for anything but a squirt, that I would really like to give day sarging a go.

Although I have almost mastered night sarging, I'm still a rAFC when it comes to day time approaching.

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Shezz,

My man! Cheers for the quick reply.

Couple of questions though...

The quick "hey, lets exchange numbers" approach does and will work, but it has a high flaking rate. The reason I wanna get into day sarging is to reduce the number of flakes.

Dimitri's stuff makes sense, but wouldn't we be breaking a fundamental rule? Wouldnt we be complimenting them in the openner? What has she done to deserve a compliment from me?

The trouble with most of his stuff is that they are highly likely to get the same response every time:

HB walking towards you...
PUA: "I saw you as you were walking by and I have to say you look really beautiful."
HB: hehehe, thanks
HB carries on walking

I was in Harrods the other day, dressed well (the rich boy look) and I was getting MAD looks from the HB shoppers. But I just couldnt think of a way to open them!

btw, Harrods is a HB heaven!
 

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Great thread! Let me add this to it:

The minute you walk by a woman you are attracted to, and she walks by. Do NOT turn around and chase her. This will make you seem like a stalker. No good. No good at all. (And if she doesn't view you as a stalker, you will seem like a clingy/needy guy just desperate for her.) DON'T DO IT.

Instead, either focus on someone else or stay kind of lowkey till you approach. Or BEST of all: Approach the minute you see her.
 

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Nice thread

I mainly do Day game because I'm not old enough to go to clubs or bars yet, but I never really found that the sets that I approach were annoyed or disturbed. Only time you will probably notice it is if its people rushing for work, which is early in the morning this is why I usually approach on trains and the bus in the morning. But after that its rare you catch anyone really rushing to a place, most of the time there just shopping or doing something adn can spare some time.

One thing that I think makes it seem harder is that in society its not socially correct to be gaming a girl on the streets, this is why you always see way more people trying to approach in clubs and bars because thats like the main reason for clubs and bars, every guy who associate clubs and bars are thinking, FUN, Drink, Good times, and women. In the book store people aren't thinking of approaching a guy or a girl.

Most of what Shezz said you should follow even though I haven't really done much natrual game as I started to get into it that way I at least have some direct game and test it out since Direct is supposedly suppose to be better at approaching in the day and when approaching lone wolves.

My Day Game
I use the same structure everywhere I go just switch it up abit, its basically TDs structure.

But I usually just think this:
Open
Attract (Disarm the obstacles and/or have your wingman do it)
Rapport
Isolation (Close)

Its hard to explain on text but your body language has to be good to make the set stop. Its like your walking and your approaching from the side with just your face turned to her, and like you almost want to look like you did a slow double take as if you notice a old time friend.

Now usually you would want to use your attract material whatever it may be, but if you just want a universal things that you can come up with on the fly that I always tend to use are...

Cold Reading
****y and funny
Storytelling
Kino (Not really for attraction but just to get her used to your touch from the get go you don't want to weird her out later one when you start touching)
Screening

Note - Assume it is always on with you and her even if your wrong you will still learn from this, and always keep in mind of Push/Pull dynamic

(If she is already attracted before you even approach, then you don't even have to bother with any Attraction, maybe just do abit of storytelling)

This right here is probably the most important, because before I never used to do this and I would get flake after flake. Get Some Rapport the more the better, don't close unless you have at least some rapport. If time permits maybe you can instadate, if you can't get any further or no isolation, just #close between a good conversation, and then leave something that makes her want to meet you again. (This was another reason why I would get flakes)

For example, you were talking about foods you both liked, then add "Yep I love Ribs, there is this nice restuarant over by xyz, me and my friends go there a whole lot."

Your adding hints to stuff she can be apart of so she will more likely to want to speak again, maybe she wants to go see the good ribs your talking about.

One last thing that I like to do is play "Games" or make them up, I mean if she is attracted you can make up the lamest game and turn it into fun, its always good to cheat sometimes to, to add some sexual tension without that sexual tension there really isn't much going on between you 2.

A good example of a lame game that I did was I found a yugioh card and I pulled a table between us and put it down on the table. We had to see who can grab it first, and then once in awhile I start over and then cheat, then start adding challenges, she got real into it.

Another important thing "Try not to rush everything, unless your in a rush" (Maybe your stop is coming up soon or something like that, then its always good to just go for the #close regardless.

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If your having problems approaching, just warmup... Without thinking open the first set that you see, don't think about what to say or anything, and just talk. Because now your stuck you can't back out because you said something to her so you now need to proceed. After that 1 or 2 approach your going to have no problem. You don't really need confidence to start your first approach, because you could be all hyped up but when your actually in that mall or on that street you are seeing the girls and like your confidence just died. Kind of like in war your in a 5 man group and hyped up by your commander that you guys are so close to ending the way and then just see 300 men circle you.

So once you see them just open don't think about it and don't be in the set and thinking in your head. "Is she liking me" "was that awkward" "Did i touch her properly" "What should I do now I ran my opener" You don't want to be doing that.

In the end you will have a good time...and if you want even more help for a week don't drive to work take public transportation and try to talk to strangers all the way to work and all the way home, this will help out a whole lot.
 

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INXS said:
Great thread! Let me add this to it:

The minute you walk by a woman you are attracted to, and she walks by. Do NOT turn around and chase her. This will make you seem like a stalker. No good. No good at all. (And if she doesn't view you as a stalker, you will seem like a clingy/needy guy just desperate for her.) DON'T DO IT.

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I disagree with the stalker comment.
In the mall the other day I did my first "chasedown" approach (I was always scared to come off like INXS says above). I was on my phone when HB walked by. I saw her and hung up a second later and then hesitated before saying F it.
She was a good 50 feet in front of me but I sped up and once I got a few feet behind her I yelled for her to stop.
I did a diect opener (I really like your style - true!) and it was a real natural interaction.

Going for the kill I did feel like a stalker but once she was opened I think she just felt flattered/suprised. I didn't get the digits but I consider the approach a success for what it was.

Being natural is the key. And not just being natural but making the interaction seem natural. This isn't a girl/PUA skill but a people skill.

If you don't make things seem natural then you will come off as weird/stalkerish/clingy/desperate/needy.

Instead, either focus on someone else or stay kind of lowkey till you approach. Or BEST of all: Approach the minute you see her.[/
Of course that is better advice if you can stay lowkey and just see her later.
But if it comes down to missing the op or risking looking like a stalker then you might as well do what you have to do.
 

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I mean we all know, sarging in bars and night clubs is a lot harder because women "expect" to be chatted up, so their ***** shields are thicker
Wrong, sarging in bars and night clubs is very simple. Women go their to get f*cked, maybe not by you, but by someone. Their whole mindframe is, "who's going to f*ck me tonite?" and you just have to be the guy, bounce from chick to chick to chick until one bites, very simple and with a little game it can be almost too easy... I can get a horrible AFC laid in a club, no game required

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Anyway, with day-approaches and me being from New York City, I have a different approach theory than you gentleman. Because so many wierd people in the city and women get approached at much higher rates here, street approaches will get rejected as soon as you open your mouth if ur not instantly her type, its just a high protection defense system that's inbred in all NYC women...

Easiest way i've found is to ask for directions... run game from there

Libraries are very simple, women (smart, quality women) hang out in libraries, just ask if they mind you having a seat next to them, and then open casually about the enviroment... aka... "its quiet in here isn't it ? wats that all about?" make her laugh or think ur a friggin jock or player who's never seen a library and then hit her with something different...

Really women are simple... casual conversation, that's all u gotta know...

Also I disagree with the --> "I saw you ___, just had to say ____" that sounds retarted and tryhard. Women know why you're coming over, you don't need to tell them straight up... dosen't mean you beat around the bush with stupid openers like... "can i ask ur opinion" or crap like that, but also dosen't mean saying... "hey i like your shoes, wats ur number ?"

Be confident and casual... enviromental openers are the best... ur there, she's there, lets talk !


-Cod3r
 

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you know what. All the tips and stuff here are good from everyone because they can all work at one point or another (all depends on the type of girl that is being sarged)...

I know Fash. He is my main man and we go sarging together and he is the DON in clubs and bars. BUT we are completly different in a bar/club situation. I myself cannot approach women in a bar/club as I also know that their ***** shields are higher, and i think to myself "well why the hell should I put more effort in when I can sarge her more easily during the day?" Which brings me on nicely to...

Day Sarging. Much easier for a number of reasons:

a) she isnt being expected to be sarged and hence...
b) her ***** shield is lower and thus...
c) she can open to you easier...

which means, my fellow PUA's, you can instantly make a connection with her easier, which will ultimately lead to getting laid.

Also, bear in mind another advantage of day sarging. She is likely not to be with her friends at that time, therefore she is likey to be more open with you and not be "embarressed" by her friends watching etc etc.

I usually sarge on public transport. Its easy. Just go ans sit next to or opposite a girl on her own who clearly looks bored and comment on something about her. e.g. "Hey I really like those red shoes, whats the story behind them?"

Sarge on my brothers...sarge on....
 

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Cod3r said:
Wrong, sarging in bars and night clubs is very simple. Women go their to get f*cked, maybe not by you, but by someone. Their whole mindframe is, "who's going to f*ck me tonite?" and you just have to be the guy, bounce from chick to chick to chick until one bites, very simple and with a little game it can be almost too easy... I can get a horrible AFC laid in a club, no game required
Dude,

The above is definately true for some women, and I agree, picking up in bars/clubs CAN be simple, however..... who are these women that you are picking up?

I'll tell you... A bunch of low value, trashy ho's who go out with the intention of getting f*cked by some random guy that night.

I've been there, done that. I've come to a point where I have realised that I have been wasting my time with these women. I need to start looking for higher value ones, hence the day sarging.

I hope this has cleared things up.

I agree with the rest of your post though. Environmental openers are best.
 

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And your not supposed to unless you're getting signals or the girl looks easy.Those are not the places for that IMO.

You can walk around all day just looking for easy target something I do also but not hit on women like at clubs it's not effective at all.

IMO you should wait for signals doing ca's or read a easy target.
 

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Nothing bad can come from talking to girls, harmless little girls - the worst they can do is say 'F**K off'...no biggie - call that a success, you just weeded one more undeserving beotch out of your pathway for 'The One'...
Be real straight from the get go, make your intentions clear so any blowouts that may result will do so because of the facts:

1. She dosnt like you
2. Shes an idiot

I still need to jump into this mindset. I still dislike cold approaching. Its one thing i suck at!

Cant really help myself but the advice in this post is helping me

So carry on!
 

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when he said daywalkers, i thought he was referring to redheaded people from that episode in South Park. LOL
 

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Well, isn't all of this in the bible?

I think what Dmitri said is very kiss-assy. I just go and ask questions. For example, there is a chick outside a mall sitting down obviously waiting for something/someone, you say hi, and/or ask "waiting for someone ey?" Relate to her, saying you are too, or "last week I ...".

Another example, the environmental stuff, if it's raining, make a comment on the rain, if it's damn hot, yo comment on it. Maybe something that you noticed in her, maybe a piercing, you ask if it hurt.

Then after the casual "pickup".. or conversation starter, you link it to both of you, say.. a follow up to the piercing.. you talk about you liking those piercings and chicks with piercings there are hot, which is good news, because that makes her hot. Once you see that sparkle in her eye, you know it's on, and it's safe to close and go.

1) She is probably bored, and living routinely, you there will change all that.
2) You're the ****.

Oh, and obviously, don't try to pick up on, say, hbs that look like they're going somewhere. Lonewolfs who are just, "passing time" are perfect targets, not to mention they are everywhere.

I'm getting a job in sales, asap.
 
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