C&F Does not work for me...

[organizedconfusion]

first of, there was nothing ****y nor funny about it..i used to think being mean was C & F also..but it clearly wasn't,sure i'd get a reaction..but it wasn't the reaction i was looking for, but i did have my good moments
and it did click eventually after ti read the book comedy writing secrets to
really learn about comedy and how to apply it correctly...

i was talking to this girl in college in a cafe-

After an initial conversation..
ME-'so what are you majoring in?'
HER-'buisness management, i am going to be a CEO one day..'
ME-'Oh wow, that's excellent..you mean like at a Shell station or something?'
HER-'Uh, no..more like Loreal..you DO know what company that it is right?'
ME-'yeah..but i am sure there are easier ways for you to get a discount on tampons..
HER-what?! make up, they sell make up
ME- sure they do..and you could use a little touch up

and it goes on and on, she was cool but i felt no chemistry eventhough she
reacted positivly to me.

the trick is in the deliverly and making it sound natural, you can learn how to be 'quicker on your toes' by practicing using C & F with your friends.I use CF on my sister all the time and she has no idea why she's all of a sudden trying to gain my approval and highly attracted to me..just kidding ,that's gross..
but i have since used CF on EVERYONE.Watch the show Becker with Ted Danson, he really busts peoples balls or Adam Corrola on the man show.

Be carefull though ,there is thin line between being mean and using C&F..

 

[juanita]

your replies were plain insulting. u don't joke about a girl and her being obese even if a girl is anorexically skinny. it seems "****y and funny" isn't for u dude

 

[OfficeSpace]

Me : "It's just the suave-boy touch"
Her : "Do you think I'm a suave girl"
Me: "Nah, actually, you are more of a frumpy girl"
Her : "What!??"
Me : "Yeah you are just obese, how do you even get like that, you don't even eat meat"
(she's actually not fat, and she is a vegetarian, hence the meat comment)
Her : "I'm upset with you!"
... I move the conversation to another topic..

Wow... That is not C&F bro... If someone said that to you I bet you would feel a bit uneasy.. I honestly doubt you would laugh! Nothing funny with what you just said...

I hear all the **** about using ****y and funny, but I've had WAY better experience with giving some compliments and just being a fun guy...

Sure I tease girls a lot.... I play keep away with their cell phone.. hair brush or whatever... Sometimes I even ask them in a serious tone when they look at a window to see themselves "Why do you look at yourself all the time?" and they get all defensive about how they don't look at themselves all the time... then I'll be like "Don't worry you look fine".. they'll either be like "thanks.." or "really?" and I'll be like "no" and just laugh. They usually respond with something like "hey, that's so mean".. My response is just a smile...

Common bro.. compliments will get you everywhere! Just don't overdo it... I like to think that what usually works on us guys also works on girls too!

Like if a girl walked up to me and was like "hey, that's a nice shirt.." I'd be more in tune with her than if she said "hey, nice shirt.. did you buy it at the thrift store?" Geez.. lol

I think ****y and funny works in your favour if you've got a talent at making people laugh.. If you are not good at it, I would resort to some other tool!

Stay loyal to the game!

- Neon

 

[Zonder]

learn to talk to women first

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ good post. Just don't complement the hottest ones or you'll look like you're supplicating. Make them work for your compliments instead.

I always love it when people who aren't ****y and can't make people laugh try to do both at the same time. Then they come here and wonder how their perfect technique went wrong.

You can't just buy $1500 worth of materials and start doing c&f. You must first develop a feel for social situations, and then move to the advanced moves. Without this you'll never learn to tell the difference between ****y and acting like a jerk. Very few people have the brains and social skills to pull c&f. This is why all PUA's pretend to know how to do it; they want to look as if they're in top 1% of the population.

First concentrate on becoming comfortable talking to women. Then try to be ****y with them. If you have a great sense of humor, you can try to tell some jokes that portray you as ****y, and skip on the ones that make you look like a wimp. If you don't know how to make people laugh, how can you expect to make them laugh AND think of you as ****y at the same time

It's the mark of a n00b DJ wannabe to tell people to be ****y and funny. If you have the skills to make people laugh, and portray masculinity at the same time, you're already there anyway. If you can't, it's gonna take years and years of work, and even then you may not manage it.

My advice to you is: talk to women more to get a feel for the conversation, then try to act ****y. If you're usually making them laugh, you can combine it with the ****y routines. Calling every chick you meet obese is not the way to go, my man. And don't spend money on people who tell you to be c&f. That's one of the hardest things to pull in all seduction, and you're not going to learn it by reading fake seduction gurus. When was the last time you saw who couldn't handdle women already say something c&f? It's the icing of the cake, not a mindles routine everybody can do.

There were some spot-on comments on this thread. Reread them to see where you went wrong. C&f is not the same as insulting people, but a most advanced technique that takes years of practice and interaction with women to master.

 

[MetalFortress]

You didn't do that bad, man. It was C&F... but you let it end to seen. Tease her to the max. You could have improved on the C&F like j8snx1 demonstrated above, but what you did was good enough - just don't buy into the whole "upset" thing.

Please stop giving wrong advice. If she's not laughing, the c+f isn't working.

 

[styleman]

Thanks to all for informative responses. In response to earlier posts, when I think back, both the girls did smile in the above situations, so maybe it is working; I'm just talking her words too seriously...
No big issue, because although both this girls are quite attractive, I'm just using them as practice.

 

[izza]

Ahahaha, dude.

The main reason why C+F is effective is because it causes a girl to laugh about her insecurities. As a result, she feels freer of worry in your presence, and she gets to explore another part of her emotional self. Most women really enjoy that kind of thing.

It's true, there is a fine line between jacka$$ and good C+F... they often look similar on the outside. Just make sure you're always on the correct side of the line: if what you do amuses you, and I mean truly amuses you, it's fine. But if you think of C+F as a pick up technique, you're are going to fail miserably. That is what's called "trying too hard" and "being a jacka$$."

I don't think I'm making an unfair generalization when I say that women will not fall for someone who repeatedly acts cruelly towards them. Women abhor cruelty.

But on the other hand, women recognize that they often take unimportant matters far too seriously. C+F in this respect is proof that you, the man, can lead them to a new level of self-awareness by helping them laugh about their worries. Why do you think nice guys are so boring? A woman says, "I lost five cents today" and the nice guy says "awwwww, poor youuuuu!"

No woman is worth the DJ's time if she can't laugh about herself, no matter how beautiful and even if it's just for sex. Women like that bring you down to a lower level of existence, they suck your positive energy. People who can't laugh at themselves have no flexibility, and are generally dull people. Use jokes and teasing her as a test to see if she can laugh at herself, and amuse yourself in the process. You will be amazed what you can say and still get away with.

I've called women *****es, pimps, fat, sticks, flat chested, men in disguise etc.... it always worked when I least expected it to (that is, when I was most afraid it wouldn't work), and failed the worst when I was overconfident of success. I'll never forget one night, where I was playing chess against some girl I had met in a café. She had beautiful blue eyes, some curves, and an exotic accent (eyes and accents for me are the best). I was having a blast escalating the state of playful war between us through insulting her studies, her taste in music, and so forth. She was with me insult for insult - I love the witty ones! Suddenly, I felt it was time to leave, so I told her well, thanks for the miserable evening, and so er uh f*ck you. Then I walked away. On the inside I was rolling (you should've seen her face, I sure won *that* round), but I was afraid I had gone too far. Apparently not. The next day I saw her, she apologized (I have no idea for what, since I was completely joking) and handed me her number on the spot. To say I was surprised would be an understatement. My friend was trying to get with her at the time, so she was off limits, but there were some indications she would have preferred me...

In my experience, I found that once I started using jokes at her expense as a method, and not to amuse myself, I was cooked. Besides, the game is more fun when I play it my way, to amuse me. All the best bro, I hope this helps,

D

 

[42-Colrath]

So, what would be a good thing to say to a women when she says, "I lost five cents today" ?

 

[Zonder]

So, what would be a good thing to say to a women when she says, "I lost five cents today" ?

The problem with C&F is that it has to be a second nature, not something that you spend days thinking of. If a hot chick told me that I'd say something like "This sounds like an interesting story. Tell me about it."

Or you can just tell her "That's the best you could come up with to impress me?" if you think she's not likely to get the sarcasm in the first one.

But what I'd most likely say is "Yeah, me too. I gotta go try to find it. Have a nice life." If a chick is as stupid as to say something like that, she's not worth my time.

But the funny part comes from the spontaniety of the situation. They see you're having fun, and they laugh because of it. It never worked for me when I was trying to force it. Even the dumbest responses you can come up with can be perceived as funny if they see you're having a good time.

 

[saki]

So, what would be a good thing to say to a women when she says, "I lost five cents today" ?

I was wondering the same thing lol! If I didnt have anything witty to say, I would just respond with "whopdie doo" or ah poor baby or something I could just bust them with because they are complaining about stupid shiit! Theres not always going to be a witty opportunity and I agree with most that you have to be on a positive and self-confident high to display your best c+f. There are times when I am in depressed mode and I shouldnt even try it, which I dont because it will come out insulting. But if im in a playful and happy mood, that is when I bust out. Treat like you would a sister, seriously.

Also, you have to have balls when trying to be ****y and funny, you have to take RISKS. What comes out of your mouth may insult her, it may not be ****y nor funny, but without breaking the mental barrier of "should I say this" or "what if she gets offended" you have no chance. Comedians bomb all the time. I go to comedy clubs every week and I will tell you the funniest thing about them is that if they are high on energy and are confident and comfortable in their skin, then they come across as funny, because they TAKE RISKS and DONT CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK. You did fine by attempting it and maybe it wasnt the best that you could do, but you took a risk and thats whats important.

 

[Last Man Standing]

^Generic excuse used by unfunny people.

The truth is, humor is like game, muscle, baseball, anything. You improve it by practicing. No, not by practicing canned lines - but by becoming a quicker-witted person.

By your statement you reinforced my first statement and did not counter it -- "quick wittedness" "funny" is genetic! You cannot train yourdelf to BE this.

 

[waxlrose]

C and F doesn't work for YOU...it works like a dream for me. NEVER even jokingly tell a girl she is fat. They all suspect they are and there is nothing comforting about a guy telling them they are. Be ****y and Funny about you, but don't take cheap shots at the expense of others. It's just mean and ANTI-seductive.

 

[Alek]

Here's the exact FORMULA FOR C&F... continued a bit below

The trouble with C&F is that it's original propagator (DeAngelo) explained it quite badly... He even admitted in later products he wishes he never even introduced the whole concept... and tried salvaging it by telling guys 1) If she's isn't laughing and hitting you on the arm and having a blast (you're doing it wrong)... He then said that C&F is 50% ****y, 50% funny...

But a personal friend of his said... that's not it... He says "the trouble is that he really explains it as if though he was "busting up on women" and "playfully insulting them"... but in reality if you'd watch him... you'd see a guy being very charming and almost child-like playfull, teasing women now and then"... the words DeAngelo himself uses to describe it is "I slam them with my line, and bust on the mercilessly, until they can't believe what I said.

The true formula is:

97% charming
2% funny
1% insulting

It all comes across in the body-language though... You are saying verbally "i hate you", but your body says "I love you, you're the bestest"

With all that in mind... here's the final conclusion... it takes longer to master C&F than it does it to become a master seducer... and C&F is just a technique (affecting at most 0.5% of the total outcome), don't waste time trying to perfect it. Go and get the girl. Just be honest, direct and express your intentions.

 

[waxlrose]

Those are fine, I don't remeber what started this, but you really don't have to be insulting-neg theory has been renamed "disqualification theory" Some people think a neg is an insult, but it is only supposed to disqualify yourself as a potential suitor in her eyes. It's only supposed to make her think that you aren't hitting on her and weren't even thinking of her as attractive in your eyes. You don't want her and that interests her cuz everyone else does. She goes "Hmm, this guy isn't trying to impress me...why?" Boom! Soon she's trying to win YOU over, YOU must be a prize that isn't easily affected by beauty.