Buying Drinks

[2Rocky]

What you are missing here is that a strong independent woman worthy of our time and attention will appreciate the gesture and reciprocate. Might be the next round, might be the next date. If you want to look at it as a Quid Pro Quo transaction, then you are trading a drink for her undivided attention. It is up to you to make your best sales pitch (it shouldn't seem like a sales pitch) that the date should continue or another time you should get together.

What is next, are you going to say she should open the door for you half the time? Pull your seat out?

 

[SW15]

The major problem with men buying drinks on dates or at night spots in an attempt to escalate the romance is that many men take financial losses on the transaction. Women can take the drink without reciprocating in any fashion. The pusssy pass has enabled women to get a lot of free drinks for doing nothing.

 

[andreihaha]

The major problem with men buying drinks on dates or at night spots in an attempt to escalate the romance is that many men take financial losses on the transaction. Women can take the drink without reciprocating in any fashion. The pusssy pass has enabled women to get a lot of free drinks for doing nothing.

Well...yeah.
So you're either confident enough that things will go your way, or you know you're paying for her attention. Either way, the result is fair.
Except when you're confident enough yet she's not interested. That(at least to me) almost never happens. And when it did, the girl didn't deserve my attention either.

 

[PRW63]

I always pay for drinks, covers, everything. It shows the girl im a well off man who isnt nickel and diming. I would feel less of a man if a girl im with pulls out her wallet to pay for something.

If a woman insists on paying her half then I consider her either,...1. Insecure and thinks she "owes" me sex because I paid, and hence, doesn't want me to pay,...or 2. she is a feminist that has to be the one "in charge"... or 3. already mentally has me in the "friend zone" even if she hasn't said it yet. All three are red flags.

 

[RBK]

If I invite out, I pay but It seems I'm different then most. $25 in drinks isn't going to break me.

 

[BMX]

I'll buy them a tap water Zekko. So that they can ingest their own hormones in the water and act more ladylike. This sets everyone up for success next go around.

 

[lost_blackbird]

As I've mentioned on here before, I have a friend who owns a chain of c0cktail bars in the UK.
I'm most regularly seen in the one in Bristol, but also there's one in Cardiff, Exeter and Brighton.
If I attend any of these bars I am my friends guest and don't pay for drinks, were I attend with a
female the same hospitality would be extended to her as she is with me. I have only had a female
companion on the one occasion but as were mine, her drinks were free. Needless to say, if I were
to go on a drinks date, there would only be one venue I'd consider. It also provides huge social
proof when we leave without a bill, my last female companion (platonic of course) was dumbstruck
that I am considered a VIP in that venue when we drank our way through £80 worth of drinks and
the only payment taken was a fist bump with my pal the manager on the way out of the door. He
also repeat served us without me having to leave my seat when he saw our glasses were getting low
and even if they are packed I'll always have room made for me. In return I sometimes mind the door
if their bouncer is otherwise engaged, collect glasses and put them through the washer when they
are extra busy and often do odd jobs around the place. I always dress up when in attendance so
the assumption from others is that I'm staff anyway. That's how it's done, shame I don't really date.

 

[2Rocky]

LS, Would you rather try to fight the "feminine imperative" on a date or watch her melt into a puddle when you give her just a touch of special treatment that doesn't cost you any time money and minimal effort?

I treat her like a lady until she proves otherwise. But if you want to act like a confrontational prick, go for it. If you need me I'll be in bed with the woman who enjoys being treated like a lady....And she will likely make me breakfast in the morning too...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Guys misunderstand context. They think the advice that you tell a woman to buy you a drink if you are out at a bar and they ask you to buy them a drink is used the same way if you invite a woman out.

It's lack of social calibration and not understanding context. The event is the same, the context is completely different. This is an actual date not some random encounter with someone that just happens to be there and might just be looking for a free drink that you've spent no time getting to know outside of there.

 

[2Rocky]

This is a logical fallacy, the false dichotomy (false dilemma , either / or ) fallacy.

A False Dichotomy is when the arguer is presenting only two possible options or outcomes to a position, when in reality there are more.

It’s done to narrow the opponent’s position to only two possible outcomes (often to outcomes which are untenable or ridiculous to both parties of the argument). It’s a rhetorical tactic designed to lead to unwanted conclusions.

The following is an example of a false dilemma (which in this case is also a false dichotomy):


Here, the false dilemma uses divisive language, in order to present a misleading dichotomy, which ignores the possibility of having mixed or neutral feelings toward the speaker. This dichotomy is used in order to pressure listeners into accepting a certain stance (being ‘with’ the speaker), by suggesting that there is only one alternative, which is framed in a negative manner.

This rhetoric is commonly used by the likes of BLM (You support us or your a racist) the LGBTXYZ (you support us or your homophobe), either you support feminism or your a misogynist. You support mass immigration or your a xenophobe.



Who has defined what "treat her like a lady" looks like though. Could it be the poster is channelling the feminine imperative. Is his definition of "treat her like a lady" defined by "the man picks up the tab" and "it's masculine to always pay"



Ok so we'll ignore your name calling. And examine rather, where it's coming from. Now, could the fact that you view a discussion as "confrontational" be stemming from you taking a very defensive position, as maybe your name calling would suggest, could your ego invested paradigm feel "threatened". Food for thought.



I'm not sure that I would have any need for you? But ok you needed that to set up the second part of your conditional. The implication here is "you are getting some with some fine ladies" and I am obviously not. Is that it? Can help but think that sounds like a thinly veiled rather childish slight ........

I'm not surprised at all that this poster who is channelling the feminine imperative (by his own words) has resorted to shaming tactics when his paradigm is "threatened" .

Guys anyone channelling the feminine imperative eventually will resort to shaming tactics, it's a dead giveaway that they are trapped in a feminine paradigm and so predictable.

Threat of Withheld Affection (Code Pink) - The Pink Whip

Discussion: The target is admonished that his viewpoints or behavior will cause women to reject him as a mate. Examples:

- "No woman will marry you with that attitude."
- "Creeps like you will never get laid!"

Response: This is an example of the logical fallacy "argumentum ad baculum" (the "appeal to force"). The accuser attempts to negate the validity of a position by pointing to some undesirable circumstance that will befall anyone who takes said position. Really, the only way to deal with the "Pink Whip" is to realize that a man's happiness and worth is not based on his romantic conquests (including marriage).

thanks for the debate lesson...must get the women gushing ...