Building Attraction . . . a gaping hole in the Mystery Method???

[L777]

If Mystery is decent looking I must be god.

This is what ppl dont' get about mystery. He IS actually pretty good looking. The fact that he wears dumb clothes helps him, cos he's good looking and confident enough to get away with it....the whole peacocking thing won't work for a below average guy imo.

Seriously, imagine him with cool hair, clothes, no make up etc.

PS: I'm not gay

 

[Sandow]

Attraction works very differently for men and women. Obviously we are attracted to the opposite and our brains operate quite differently, so you can't justify how MM doesn't work based on how a man's mind works.

Psychologicaly speaking, our brains work very differently, and that includes attraction. What a man wants is different that what a woman wants. That being said, the way attraction builds in a man is different than the way it builds in a woman.

Actually this can be proven in terms of evolution. Without boring everyone to death, I'll make it simple. Our main purpose in life is to reproduce and survive so our species can continue to thrive. As a male, we are designed to reproduce with as many females as we can so we can increase the percentage of survival in our offspring. If we didn't, we risk the possiblity of extinction by not producing enough offspring that can survive. If every male did this (not reproducing to the max) during the dawn of our species, we would be extinct.

For women, however, they have to be more careful with whom they reproduce with because it is a much bigger decision for them. Unlike men, they cannot "spread their seed". They have to spend the next 9 months giving birth to one child that can hopefully survive. That being said, they must be very picky with whom they decide to sleep with. If they don't they'll end up sleeping with a loser and now they have to spend the next 9 months giving birth to a weak offspring that will surely die. If every girl did this, then our species would be extinct. A guy doesn't have to be picky because if a certain offspring dies, he must not worry because he has also slept with countless other women hoping that their offspring would be much stronger and fit for survival.

This explanation pretty much sums up everything about humans; attraction, survival, and our actions. Clearly, attraction is very different for men and women for the obvious reasons said above. Men shoud have sex with a lot women, while women need to be picky and "test" men to see if they have any value for the sake of their offsprings survival and the species as a whole.

 

[Bvbidd]

The above post is true, just remember an animal's criteria is a lot different then a girl's. Such as for strength, girls care a LOT more about is social power than physical power. I'd know because I am a naturaly muscluar 6,6, and have lost girls to tiny 5ft skinny bastards because the girls thought he was cooler than me. lol the girl's words.

That's why I think weightlifting for girls is one of the most pathetic thing you can see. I'm glad I never have.

 

[ricorico]

I don't know how differently attraction works for women as opposed to men. There is a guy in my neighborhood who all the girls literally have gone gaga for. From 19 on up. Married,single, girls with boyfriends.

This guy literally ignores half the women and barely says hello while he goes around walking a dog. but he's pretty fit and good looking. The girls are acting like he's some sort of rock star.

Someone knows the gym he works out in and I bet female membership goes up. I have only seen women do that with famous men ,men who are rich or guys who are very good looking. Average guys have to work harder with little leaway to have it so easy.


Women will obsess about guys like that. The instant attraction is certainly a plus. It gives extreme high value to him because since all the women are pinning for him and competing they have him on a pedastal though they know nothing about him but what he looks like. He has to do absolutely nothing but walk around the hood with his damned dog while the woman salivate like they are starving dogs.

 

[ketostix]

I don't know how differently attraction works for women as opposed to men. There is a guy in my neighborhood who all the girls literally have gone gaga for. From 19 on up. Married,single, girls with boyfriends.

This guy literally ignores half the women and barely says hello while he goes around walking a dog. but he's pretty fit and good looking. The girls are acting like he's some sort of rock star.

Someone knows the gym he works out in and I bet female membership goes up. I have only seen women do that with famous men ,men who are rich or guys who are very good looking. Average guys have to work harder with little leaway to have it so easy.


Women will obsess about guys like that. The instant attraction is certainly a plus. It gives extreme high value to him because since all the women are pinning for him and competing they have him on a pedastal though they know nothing about him but what he looks like. He has to do absolutely nothing but walk around the hood with his damned dog while the woman salivate like they are starving dogs.

I agree attraction for women is mostly visual and instant too.

 

[Sandow]

Just because a girl finds a guy visually attractive doesn't mean they will do anything with him. Girls say these kind of things all the time, but when it comes down to it, she won't just hook up with him. To them, finding a handome guy is appealing and attractive, but that doesn't mean they are going to sleep with him. He's going to need some game, ie. high status, value, comfort, etc. if he wants to hook with up with her. I know, girls are weird, and they definitely work differently than guys. If it was me, and I thought a babe was smoking, there's no doubt I would consider hooking up with her. It's too bad girls are different :cuss:

 

[Mad Manic]

The above post is true, just remember an animal's criteria is a lot different then a girl's. Such as for strength, girls care a LOT more about is social power than physical power. I'd know because I am a naturaly muscluar 6,6, and have lost girls to tiny 5ft skinny bastards because the girls thought he was cooler than me. lol the girl's words.

That's why I think weightlifting for girls is one of the most pathetic thing you can see. I'm glad I never have.

^^^ Agreed, society is messed up now so the whole animal survival thing doesn't apply too well now. And I'm sorry about your woes, really crappy ain't it. I mean personally I'd want to lose out to someone better not worse. And yes I seem to define better as taller/stronger/more muscular/stronger minded, but there you go, I'm old fashioned. I don't define men on pansy stuff and never will tbh.

 

[Mad Manic]

Just because a girl finds a guy visually attractive doesn't mean they will do anything with him. Girls say these kind of things all the time, but when it comes down to it, she won't just hook up with him. To them, finding a handome guy is appealing and attractive, but that doesn't mean they are going to sleep with him. He's going to need some game, ie. high status, value, comfort, etc. if he wants to hook with up with her. I know, girls are weird, and they definitely work differently than guys. If it was me, and I thought a babe was smoking, there's no doubt I would consider hooking up with her. It's too bad girls are different :cuss:

Agreed, if I was shagging every girl who found me physically attractive, I'd ve a VERY happy man right now lol.

 

[ricorico]

Just because a girl finds a guy visually attractive doesn't mean they will do anything with him. Girls say these kind of things all the time, but when it comes down to it, she won't just hook up with him. To them, finding a handome guy is appealing and attractive, but that doesn't mean they are going to sleep with him. He's going to need some game, ie. high status, value, comfort, etc. if he wants to hook with up with her. I know, girls are weird, and they definitely work differently than guys. If it was me, and I thought a babe was smoking, there's no doubt I would consider hooking up with her. It's too bad girls are different :cuss:

No, it does'nt mean he will get laid left and right. It means he has it a lot easier than most other guys as he already has her interest. If a good looking guy has game to boot,girls are literally very easy for him to get. He does'nt have to show socail proof because women do it for him. they will compete for his attention which already gives him value. What he does with this advantage is up tpo him. If he chooses to be a total retard and not hone on his skills it's his fault.

The asme way as a beautiful woman with low self esteem who comes off as empty headed. She will get used for sex by high caliber guys, but not for a relationship. She will usually end up with men way beneath her league for a relationship because she has not perfected her social skills.

Looks get you in the door a lot easier. Having game keeps you there and gives you choices of top qulity folks.

With no looks, you can get there too. But it takes a hell of a lot more effort to gain the attention. A lot more game.

 

[Mad Manic]

Many good looking guys are single from experience, there's just even more single unattractive guys. Being good looking isn't a free ride to getting pvssy, it just helps and doesn't make the ordeal seem impossible. Whenever I go clubbing 99% of guys get no ass, that's the truth, myself included and there are good looking guys there. We still need great game and some luck to boot. Her friends get in the way, guys do, etc.

 

[zerocelcius]

I repeat (this is a fact):

Men are visual and almost non selective by nature.
Women are emotional and extremely selective by nature.

 

[SickAgain]

Many good looking guys are single from experience, there's just even more single unattractive guys. Being good looking isn't a free ride to getting pvssy, it just helps and doesn't make the ordeal seem impossible. Whenever I go clubbing 99% of guys get no ass, that's the truth, myself included and there are good looking guys there.

I think that most unattractive guys aren't getting any not because of their looks, but that their unattractiveness is actually holding them back from being themselves, i.e. insecurities. People probably commented in the past that this guy was unattractive physically and he goes on to believe he is inferior. Once a man has become insecure he is constant judging his every move and word, therefore hindering this thought processes.

Bottom line is you better have something interesting to say and say it right or you're going to get nowhere. I would guarantee and ugly guy with sharp game and a sharp wardrobe will get very far in the pick up game.

Furthermore, I think on the opposite spectrum, many good looking guys depend too much on their looks to get laid and that's just being lazy and effortless which doesn't really get anywhere.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Secondly, I agree and as I said, you can gain attraction through other avenues but it's a lot harder to do so without initial attraction. It requires fantastic game. If you have no attraction from the off then you're gonna have to show a lot of high value and be good with bumping up BT to get her interested. A funny joke/story and a bit of touching won't cut it.

Seriously it isn't as hard as it seems to get a chick attracted. Not to get off-topic but basically your just going in and mentally paralyzing the chick to the point all she can do is react to you at that time she's already given her power away and is already attracted in less than 30 seconds.

The main reason why attraction doesn't happen that fast for most people is because they don't have the proper thought patterns, frames, etc that sub-communicates that type of guy.

For maybe the past month or two I haven't really had a set that wasn't attracted and this is even when I'm wearing my pink head tie and not wearing contacts.

It's a huge misconception in the community about attraction, but thats because majority of the stuff talked about is "Attraction" when that is the easiest and fastest thing. BUT because we talk about it SO much most guys think initial attraction takes long. (I'm not neccessarily talking about her being attracted to the point she'd fuk you)

Reason I say that is because I used to do that when I first started. I call it overgaming which 99% of the people do. What I've manage to transition too though was instead of focusing on attracting I'd focus on escalating, and I started putting my arm around chicks (Claw) right when I open.

I don't know how differently attraction works for women as opposed to men. There is a guy in my neighborhood who all the girls literally have gone gaga for. From 19 on up. Married,single, girls with boyfriends.

This guy literally ignores half the women and barely says hello while he goes around walking a dog. but he's pretty fit and good looking. The girls are acting like he's some sort of rock star.

Someone knows the gym he works out in and I bet female membership goes up. I have only seen women do that with famous men ,men who are rich or guys who are very good looking. Average guys have to work harder with little leaway to have it so easy.

Women will obsess about guys like that. The instant attraction is certainly a plus. It gives extreme high value to him because since all the women are pinning for him and competing they have him on a pedastal though they know nothing about him but what he looks like. He has to do absolutely nothing but walk around the hood with his damned dog while the woman salivate like they are starving dogs.

Bottomline, is he fuking any of them? Most likely not. Just because he is good looking doesn't mean she'll jump on his dik just like that and far less if he has no game then he isn't fuking sh!t period.

Like I always say a guy with "Tight Game" will always do better than a good looking guy, because the guy with "Tight Game" can gain attraction from every possible way that attraction is caused as far as PU goes. The exact attraction the chicks feel for the good looking guy, the guy with tight game can do the same. How? When she's all reacting to him and he claws her in she's going to feel that same sexual attraction for the guy. Even if the good looking guy had tight game too, it will still come down to "Game".

No, it does'nt mean he will get laid left and right. It means he has it a lot easier than most other guys as he already has her interest. If a good looking guy has game to boot,girls are literally very easy for him to get. He does'nt have to show socail proof because women do it for him. they will compete for his attention which already gives him value. What he does with this advantage is up tpo him. If he chooses to be a total retard and not hone on his skills it's his fault.

The asme way as a beautiful woman with low self esteem who comes off as empty headed. She will get used for sex by high caliber guys, but not for a relationship. She will usually end up with men way beneath her league for a relationship because she has not perfected her social skills.

Looks get you in the door a lot easier. Having game keeps you there and gives you choices of top qulity folks.

With no looks, you can get there too. But it takes a hell of a lot more effort to gain the attention. A lot more game.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. A guy who has a strong ass frame will get that same exact reaction as the good looking guy as far as value goes. Attraction isn't what is hard about this game. You could get the good looking guy to approach a chick and then the guy with game can roll up and take the girl off the good looking guy. I'm 100% sure of this because I've done it and I've also seen it done on me.

 

[ricorico]

Bottomline, is he fuking any of them? Most likely not. Just because he is good looking doesn't mean she'll jump on his dik just like that and far less if he has no game then he isn't fuking sh!t period.
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What I'm saying is this guy will have it easier if he has any game because he already has built in social status with the woman. I'm pretty sure all these women are not chasing after him and trying to walk their dogs the same time as him, finding out what gym he works out at or whatever because they want to be friends. If this guy has confidence and game he will already have many "willing " participants unless he's GAY!

Whereas all the other guys walking around not getting the immediate attention will need to build attraction and status even if they have game.

What I'm saying is this guy has something that makes the women already see him as Alpha male.It's up to him to either mess it up by being a total chump, or to create even more interest if he has game.


This is the exact same thing as a beautiful woman who gets guys attention, but comes off as prissy or personality of a wet blanket. Her beauty does'nt guarentee she will get all the guys. But sure gives her ammunition to attract them. But I've been in situations that after talking with a HB10 and a HB7-8. The 7-8 is much more to my liking because she had a better personality.

But take a HB10 with a great personality to boot and noone can compete with her. If you have looks,personality and game, you have it all to get most anyone you want. That's reality. The whole package makes life a lot easier. A percentage of that package still gets you in the door, but it's harder.

 

[L777]

Just because a girl finds a guy visually attractive doesn't mean they will do anything with him. Girls say these kind of things all the time, but when it comes down to it, she won't just hook up with him. To them, finding a handome guy is appealing and attractive, but that doesn't mean they are going to sleep with him. He's going to need some game, ie. high status, value, comfort, etc. if he wants to hook with up with her. I know, girls are weird, and they definitely work differently than guys. If it was me, and I thought a babe was smoking, there's no doubt I would consider hooking up with her. It's too bad girls are different :cuss:

Yea my friends that are girls always talk about guys they find attractive....but they never hook with them. Once I jokingly said to one of them, "well go talk to him then" when she mentioned a guy she thought was sexy. her response was, "I said I think he's good looking, not that I'd sleep with him".

Girls think differenly to guys....we're lucky in that its not only looks that they go for.

 

[jimmyjack]

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[ketostix]

her response was, "I said I think he's good looking, not that I'd sleep with him".

womannese translation: "I think he's good looking and I WOULD sleep with him."

I rest my case.

I'm solidly with ricorico. I'm not saying you have to be a totally hot guy in girls' opinion, but guys can theorize all they want but visual attraction is the main thing and it happens fast for women too. It's not the only aspect of attraction but some level of it is almost a necessity before you'll ever be able to get your game through the front door.

 

[everywomanshero]

Looks definitely help, but with some women more than others, and at same stages more than others. I am basing this mainly on my own personal expereinces.

Some examples for discussion:

My friend R is below average height, works out a lot, and always manages to come out with cool hairstyle & clothes. Right now he has twisted hair (spikey), usually wears destroyed jeans and a pinstrip jacket when we go out. He has absolutely no fear of women at all. He will do the craziest stuff and mainly just goes out to have a good time. He ping pongs around the bar so fast and fluidly it's hard to know where and in what group he will pop up in next. He pulls hot chicks on a regular basis. Sometimes he will get a weird initial reaction but that doesn't slow him down at all. He seems to get women mostly by being "cool".

When I was a teen once I didn't get my hair cut for a while. I looked like a greesy old trail bum. No women hit on me. I got my hair styled by a good stylist and the next week two of my friends older sisters came onto me hard core. The only thing that changed was my appearance.

My buddy T is a male dancer, and when we go out women swarm to him like flies to dung. He has several beautiful women basically stalking him. I have no idea whether it's his looks or that ASD has been removed since its ok to chase a "dancer" or its preselection or whatever. We could argue any or a combinitation of all these things. I personally vote for a combo factor.

Ina study of who women would like to see again after being randomly paired at a dance, the only factor that was statistically significant was the male dance partner's looks. I cannot remember for sure, but I assume these people were fairly young.

In another study where women saw videos on a men interacting with women, women felt more attracted to the men who displayed confident body language as rated by 3 coders of body language cues.

I could go on and on, but suffice to say I think there are many, many factors correlating to attraction. Rather than spend all my life trying to figure these out, I just go for generalized effects: Be cool, Have a fun and interesting life, dress cooler than 95% of the population, be outgoing, let go and just be. That works well for me.

 

[Dongfu]

DONG you’re a funny man and I appreciate the topics you bring up and your points of view...

BUT

I truly think that you are mistaken in comparing a guy’s attraction with women's attraction.

Men are visual and almost non selective by nature.
Women are emotional and extremely selective by nature.

Yes, this is correct, to a degree. But as I mentioned, I can see a girl who is physically attractive to me, but after speaking with her or being with her for a while, I may no longer be interested. Vice versa for a not so cute girl, that I end up wanting to sleep with.

The point I'm making here is that I believe attraction is almost purely energetic, more than being high value, or any of the other PUA explanations. If you looked at the energy between two people scientifically, say with equiptment that could show you what happens energetically when two people come near eachother, we would be able to see the leve of energetic attraction.

Here's another analogy for High Value. Health is a key facet to hv. Our bodies also have an intellegence that alerts us to the health of a possible mate, esp. for breeding purposes. WOmen will feel this about you if your vital life force is strong. It will naturally attract.

 

[Dongfu]

I repeat (this is a fact):

Men are visual and almost non selective by nature.
Women are emotional and extremely selective by nature.

Okay, but according to who, Mystery? The only person who could honestly know how a woman thinks is a woman. An the concensus of a lot of men is "dont belive anything a woman tells you."