Bruce Lee in MMA?

[Man_CA]

Some people argued that Bruce was a badass and could beat anyone in the UFC. Others claimed that Bruce was untested (in the ring) and would get his ass kicked in the real world of fighting. As for me, I agreed 100% with Bas Rutten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZBSBab-Es

Any opinions/comments on this topic?

 

[FairShake]

My opinion is nobody has no idea.

We've never seen him fight for real. We have no idea if his chin is iron or glass. We have no idea if he wilts under pressure or thrives.

He could be the greatest ever or a bum. But we CANNOT tell from his movies.

 

[speakeasy]

The only fighting I've ever seen him do was choreographed. Has anyone actually seen him spar?

 

[Man_CA]

The only fighting I've ever seen him do was choreographed. Has anyone actually seen him spar?

Many martial artists talked highly of his skills back then. He did trained for street fights, did sparring, looked at the pros and cons of other martial arts, stressed physical fitness, was a fanatic at training, etc. And no, I don't claim to know everything about Bruce Lee. This is just my opinion, from reading lots of stuffs about Bruce Lee when I was growing up.

He also was known to have a temper, and when he was alived, most people did not dared to talk sh.it to his face.

 

[TheBucketOfTruth]

I'd say if he lived today and trained for MMA matches, he'd be a major force in his weight class. Not only was he blindingly fast but also insanely strong for a little guy and would probably do great.

I agree though that such discussions will be about as conclusive as asking who would win in a fight, The Incredible Hulk or Superman.

 

[speakeasy]

Imagine Mike Tyson at his prime training in MMA. The thought gives you goosebumps. He's said that he wishes MMA were around back in his heyday or he'd have gone into that instead of boxing.

 

[Man_CA]

Imagine Mike Tyson at his prime training in MMA. The thought gives you goosebumps. He's said that he wishes MMA were around back in his heyday or he'd have gone into that instead of boxing.

Yeah, it would be a nightmare for his opponents.

 

[Man_CA]

Here are clips from two people who personally knew Bruce:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FslDJDQ6Pd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfSKfgL8MQ&feature=related

 

[Alle_Gory]

Lets dig him up and see.

 

[Levex]

I think he'd do good, but i don't think he'd be the best.

These days mma fighters are so well versed in both striking and grappling i just don't see Lee winning against a good grappler with striking skills.

Desn't matter how fast you or how hard you can hit, once you end up on the ground with a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt on top of you, you're in trouble.

 

[Man_CA]

I think he'd do good, but i don't think he'd be the best.

These days mma fighters are so well versed in both striking and grappling i just don't see Lee winning against a good grappler with striking skills.

Desn't matter how fast you or how hard you can hit, once you end up on the ground with a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt on top of you, you're in trouble.

I think Lee could beat a good grappler if he train in MMA under a good coach. I wont' say he is the best, but he would do very good.

A fighter has to be decent in a grappling art(s) when it goes to the ground, and if he has good strking, and good counter take-down skills, it would be hard for a grappler to take him there.

 

[MSwrestler]

I think Lee would rape face. But you need to understand MMA has rules and some of the stuff I saw bruce teach was like eye gouging and stuff. But he is super quick, strong and his mental game is prob higher then anyone in the mma.

 

[Bible_Belt]

He finished a guy off in Enter the Dragon with an arm bar.

Jiu-Jitsu is a Japanese battlefield art that was modified by the Gracie family when they brought it to Brazil. They dropped out a lot of tactics that you can't train easily, like eye gouges, and added tactics that work well only in a controlled fight with rules - like a triangle choke and other blood chokes.

My trainer has a background in the old school Japanese jiu-jitsu. The first contact is typically a strike to the eyes and throat while kicking to the crotch at the same time. As the guy goes down, they would grab a wrist or an arm and break it, then maybe follow him to the ground for a very brief moment to grind the broken bones together. All of this takes 3-5 seconds and the Samurai would leave that guy behind and go on to the next. That is how the Japanese Empire stood against attackers for a thousand years until guns and artillery came into use. Being brutal is really the most effective way to fight, although most people, myself included, have a hard time gouging out anyone else's eyes.

Not only do I think Bruce Lee would do well in mma, I think if we took away all the rules, he could easily take Brock Lesnar. But then Lesnar wouldn't have eyes or nuts left and would never fight again, so these are merely philosophical matters.

 

[EA Gold]

We've never seen him fight for real. We have no idea if his chin is iron or glass. We have no idea if he wilts under pressure or thrives.

But we CANNOT tell from his movies.

^^
LOL!


Lee was also trained in Western boxing and won the 1958 Boxing Championship match against 3-time champion Gary Elms by knockout in the 3rd round. Before arriving to the finals against Elms, Lee had knocked out 3 straight boxers in the first round. In addition, Bruce learned western fencing techniques from his brother Peter Lee, who was a champion fencer at the time. -wiki

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I heard a story that Judo master Gene Labelle took Bruce to the ground and submitted him with a choke once.

Has anyone here heard about the fight between Bruce and Wong Jack Man? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Jack_Man?

Apparently Bruce tried to kill Sifu Wong and gouge out his eyes, and Wong basically kept him at bay with long kicks till Bruce quit. There are various accounts of the fight and both Bruce and Wong claim they were winners, but some witness accounts point to Wong beating bruce. The fight took place in a locked dojo with no cameras so we'll never know the truth I guess. Wong later challenged Bruce to a public fight, but Bruce never responded.

 

[Man_CA]

I heard a story that Judo master Gene Labelle took Bruce to the ground and submitted him with a choke once.

Has anyone here heard about the fight between Bruce and Wong Jack Man? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Jack_Man?

Apparently Bruce tried to kill Sifu Wong and gouge out his eyes, and Wong basically kept him at bay with long kicks till Bruce quit. There are various accounts of the fight and both Bruce and Wong claim they were winners, but some witness accounts point to Wong beating bruce. The fight took place in a locked dojo with no cameras so we'll never know the truth I guess. Wong later challenged Bruce to a public fight, but Bruce never responded.

It seemed Gene and Bruce only worked out together, they didn't had an all-out fight. And Gene had many nice things to say about Bruce.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ray.d8/article12.html


As for Wong's story I believe it is bogus. Wong was sent by the Chinese community because they didn't like Lee teaching kung fu to foreigners. If Lee lost, he had to close his school down, but Lee won and kept on teaching.
(I read this many years ago, I cannot remember the details, so I am only talking in general). Come on, if Wong had won that fight, he would had publicized it everywhere that he had beatten Bruce Lee. (I think Wong came out with his own version of the fight, when Bruce passed away). Even though Bruce won the fight, it made him realized that he was out of breath during the fight and that it had took him longer than he wanted to beat Wong, after this incident Lee focused on physical fitness and in creating a martial art system that took people out quickly.

 

[MSwrestler]

Here is why bruce is the best... Because he understands there is no best fighting style. Infact in his documentary he has an amazing quote that can basically be related to anyone, gaming/fighting/business world, life basically.

"Be like water. Water can assume shape, put water into a cup--it becomes the cup, put water into a teapot--it becomes the teapot. Water can be a weak force, but it can also be the most powerful source. Be water my freinds" -bruce lee.

I think about tsunamis when he said most powerful source =D.

 

[jeffthechef]

First, he was 5'7'' and about 135-145 pounds.

Once a match involved grappling, of course he would lose. He didn't study/train in that aspect of fighting.

As for striking, I think he would probably take out most, if not all, mma fighters if he got one good shot, immediately after the match started. His kicks were that powerful. The only thing stopping him would be his reach. But even if a kick was blocked, i think Bruce could break a bone or two. I've seen/read pretty much every bio on him. He was defnitely not strong, in the weight-lifting sense. But, he could probably knock most guys out with one kick. I doubt most mma fighters would be fast enough to catch his kick, much less block it.

Lee was simply extremely agile/speedy...and probably reached the pinnacle of strength for his body frame. And his endurance surpassed what would be necessary of a mma fight.

 

[WolfyStyles]

Some people argued that Bruce was a badass and could beat anyone in the UFC. Others claimed that Bruce was untested (in the ring) and would get his ass kicked in the real world of fighting. As for me, I agreed 100% with Bas Rutten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZBSBab-Es

Any opinions/comments on this topic?

I'm not sure what I believe on this aspect I know many trained fighters who think he would be amazing and many trained fighters who would say he would suck.

Then again I know some very good practitioners of Tai Chi at an old age who have been jumped and absolutely whipped a guy who jumped them who was heavily experienced and trying to be ****y.

 

[MSwrestler]

Weight-lifting sense of strength in fighting means nothing, heavy weight lifters just look intimidating, but they lack endurance, speed and flexablity and would get ripped in seconds by someone who doesn't pick up weights, but does pushups pullups and does somekind of cardio. I've personally seen huge ass guys, that benched **** load and couldnt do one pullup. There are different types of strengths.