Breakups and Revenge

[speed dawg]

Truth. If you are bent on revenge, you are not free.

I would argue that revenge works as a function of accomplishing one's goals, within the "rules of engagement" if you will. If it becomes a distraction to one's goals, then it's going to eat at your focus and prevent success, or be your undoing.

Richard Nixon is a great example. He felt wronged by the left in the '60 election, believing it stolen. He went on not only to win the presidency, but to be reelected in a massive landslide and to set policies that would have cemented him as one of our greatest presidents - certainly better than Kennedy, his nemesis.

His revenge should have been the satisfaction of his success after years of focus, drive, and hard work. But as we all know, for Nixon it wasn't enough. He used the oval office to settle old scores, to get "revenge" on enemies in myriad ways that proved his own undoing. Shakespeare couldn't have scripted it any better, and Nixon even ironically noted on his way out the door, "others may hate you, but those that hate you don't win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself."

Agree. Great example with Nixon too.

See I completely disagree. People respond to incentives, behaviorism works.

When you deliver karmic justice you send a message, and alter incentives. People learn not to fvk with you. When people no longer fvk with you, you achieve freedom.

Be the man that nobody fvks with, because they are afraid of the consequences. Don't be the man who walks away, you will only incentivize others to come at you even more. I never feel more free than when I have taught someone a severe lesson for fvking with me.

Danger could you give a real life example of this? Seems to me this type advice is more useful if you're in the mafia or something.

I am in full agreement that you must react in some way when someone attacks you, whether verbally or physically. There are 3 options in my mind: Get run over, disarm the attack, or attack back. 1 and 3 show weakness in my mind. Besides, you cannot always win, what if a guy bigger than you is trying to fight you? I think you're best option is to get out of that situation.

As far as revenge......it depends. I don't think it can be about the other person, as that shows weakness and illustrates that they have won over you. To me, it seems revenge is only really needed in certain unique situations, when someone takes something from you that you cannot get back. But even then, you're wading is dangerously deep water. Are you prepared to handle the endless back and forth? Prepared to grow eyes in the back of your head? Because, chances are, it's not going to end with your revenge. Your revenge is someone else's cause for revenge.

 

[guru1000]

I don't know Danger. If somebody approached me like that, he would be either hospitalized or killed. You must have a bunch of pvssies where you live.

 

[Jaylan]

revenge is for when you arent in a position to defend yourself in the moment.

when someone does something to you without your knowledge or when you cant immediately respond. deciphering what warrants revenge is another matter entirely.

someone hurts you, you answer back right away. you dont throw punches after the fight.

This.

Revenge plots after the fact tend to be covert b!tch moves made by people who didnt have the balls to be confrontational to someone's face.

That said, while Ive wanted to plot revenge in the past, its not really worth the energy or the trouble. Why should I give someone that much power over me or show how concerned I am? And why put myself in a position to get in trouble myself?

 

[zekko]

Heh, I remember when someone was accusing Danger and Guru of being the same person. If you guys are the same person, why are you disagreeing on this?

 

[Charlie S.]

Heh, I remember when someone was accusing Danger and Guru of being the same person. If you guys are the same person, why are you disagreeing on this?

To make it not look so obvious.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Ha, exactly!!


Guru, like me, makes very logical arguments from a masculine point of view with no apologies. Such viewpoints infuriate the weak-willed men who come here and parrot the feminine imperative.

The weaklings and feminists alike seek to discredit such men and will take any avenue possible to achieve those goals. Guru and I disagreed on boundaries long ago until he convinced me to view it from his perspective.

Can you explain the disagreement? This may be enlightening to some of the other members.