Boys Lagging Girls IN School

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Originally posted by Soupar
So true man... I've had multiple friends go to court for assualt charges because of getting into fights at school (they didnt always start them). The fights arent even serious, like a few punches, nothing more.
Ya... that's why you pick fights "outside" of school so they can't do anything. There's like one fight per every 3 months at my school cuz the guys here have no balls. Even my economics/ basketball teacher admitted that the girls have more balls and guts then the guys in my school which really pisses me off. :down:
 

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Actually here if the fight is related to school - even if its off the grounds, the school can cause some problems.

Plus a lot of fights are a little bit spur of the moment...
 
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boys always lag behind girls in school but they make up in life. Boys when grown up as men, we have the ability to make instinstive decision that would freeze women. Hence men are better adapt to dangerous and rapidly changing environment. Men open up frontiers in many fields in science, deep sea constructions, oil exploration, space exploration, medicine.

Men have unique intuition in making life & death decisions that affect many lives. Women have maternal intuition that enable them to excel in linguistic areas such as teaching, nursing, social work, child care.

I have first hand experience in watching a girl since grade 8 to adulthood because I was in her class. She beat me in academically but when she was exposed to fast changing dangerous enviroment, she couldn't pickup new language fast enough to save her. I could pickup local language to avoid getting shot at. This happened in malaysia. It's long story.
 

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Originally posted by comic_relief


Yeah, the American school system sucks. oh yeah, the American school system also is terrible because of how they deal with fights and violence. You cannot defend yourself if someone is beating on you. You have to run away and tell a teacher and they still can't do anything except give a slap on the wrist. What a crock of BS.

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yes, this situation sucks ass.

If you act like a man and stand your ground, you go to court.

If you run away and snitch people out who are giving you trouble, you look like a pvssy and you completely lose all of your pride and no one respects you anymore. Plus, the people who are sending trouble your way will still get you later.

No matter what you do, you lose.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
The problem is, men respect authority and violence, but most schools today are full of wimpy teachers who try to make things "fair" and "nice".

Simple solution: Re-introduce corporal punishment. Anytime a student screws up, beat him senseless until he does it right. That was how the original Prussian school system worked in the 19th century.

After all, discipline is a manly trait.

In china you resit a unit of work until you pass it, so theoretically you could repeat a test like 10 times lol (not the exact same test)
 

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The biggest problem that is always overlooked is men and women process information differently.

We all seem to forget boys are being taught in a way that is designed for girls, hence why the education of males is doomed from the get go.

Unless they overhaul the entire education system the problem will only get worse and worse until most men if not all will only be used for the jobs that a monkey could do.

All this talk is futile, its like putting a bandaid over a cancerous tumour, a feminsed education system just will not work for males, its as simple as that.
 

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Also if you're a guy and you get good marks (and go to public school), you get bashed up by other guys.

What's ironic is that most kids in 3rd world countries would do ANYTHING for an education, even sitting silently for 50 hours without eating or p!ssing.

But take an American, sit them for 2 minutes, and they want to go play their nintendos and read playboys.
 

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As stated before, the American system is NOT anything new. In fact, it's hundreds of years old, with early beginnings in Prussia, where rulers sought to build the best military by disciplining children from the get-go. They found if MOST kids could be broken down mentally and spiritually from TRUE independence, then the nation could do with them as they pleased. Also, by mascarading teaching with just pure factual, memorized garbage, they gave the impression things were taught, that never really were.

Early American politicians and wealthy landowners saw the success of this system and adopted it in America over centuries, until we have what we have. EVEN minor changes within the system WILL not change a thing, since it is the TOTAL system that's corrupt, NOT just a few pieces here and there.

SOME can learn FACTUAL data, but as MOST people realize, the information HAS no bearing on the real world. And by real world I mean Surviving as an independent man or woman in society, successfuly achieving the goals one has set for themselves, and living the pleasure of their values and virtues.

In school, through most of school, you're on a track predefined early on by what the marketplace wants, and not necessarily what YOU want. Sure, there's a raging applause when a college or HS says they've adapted to market changes by adding better computers, new math classes, business classes, or science lab rooms, but that benefits who?

Companies.

It should FIRST benefit the individual, and if they WANT to work in a company, LET them. If they don't, fine. Let them start their own. But as it stands, the intellectual property of the schools in effect belongs to the companies that don't want free thought; that's last. They want obedience to a hierarchy, and they want the individual to constantly be seeking information OUTSIDE himself, as if he could not possibly provide insight.

And school systems always decry that MORE schooling is needed when kids act up, or grades falter, or they committ crimes. NO! The frustration kids have largely comes from a displaced feeling they experience WHILE in or EXPERIENCING something related to it.

I'm not condoning misbehavior...but, when all you know is books, kids/people can't develop their latent talents until much later in life, which to me is, again, the antithesis of freedom and life. FORCED schooling? You don't have to force people to do anything, and when you do, they 1/2 azz it anyways.

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Originally posted by A-Unit
As stated before, the American system is NOT anything new. In fact, it's hundreds of years old, with early beginnings in Prussia, where rulers sought to build the best military by disciplining children from the get-go. They found if MOST kids could be broken down mentally and spiritually from TRUE independence, then the nation could do with them as they pleased.
Didn't Prussia (aka. Germany) become one of the most powerful nations in Europe, despite lacking colonial resources?

And wasn't German soldiers mathematically calculated to be the best in the world? (even better than US soldiers)

And didn't Germany conquer most of Europe, despite having a smaller army, less resources, and more instability?

Maybe American schools should follow the Prussian tradition. Break down students more, destroy their independence, and turn them into drones. After all, great empires are built by obedience, not independence.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
No.

Why should we support the weak parts of society? If you have a tumour, do you encourage it?
Why? The schools that are not being good at what they do get screwed over? They deserve to be shown why and get help to get better stuff. I disagree that schools are bad that we should offer no fiancial help whatsoever.

Look a person that has two broken legs and can't move. Should we get him to a hospitol? No. Alright. Thats what they are basically saying here.

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Whats the point of these threads?

People come up with some very good points and ideas for seriously ****ed up problems but no matter what the idea or solution , the problem will remain.


Why do obvious problems still continue right in front of people's eyes?


Had to vent :box:
 

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Didn't Prussia (aka. Germany) become one of the most powerful nations in Europe, despite lacking colonial resources?

And wasn't German soldiers mathematically calculated to be the best in the world? (even better than US soldiers)

And didn't Germany conquer most of Europe, despite having a smaller army, less resources, and more instability?

Maybe American schools should follow the Prussian tradition. Break down students more, destroy their independence, and turn them into drones. After all, great empires are built by obedience, not independence.

The state did this on behalf of the proletariat. The governing body were pissed of they lost and needed more obedient soliders. Their first mechination was to get kids away from their families, then standardize what they learned, and force them into specific roles within society. By forcing school on the population, though it took many years to accomplish, kids were brought away from the home to learn skills useful to SOCIETY, and not necessarily to the INDIVIDUAL. It lead to greater growth of economy, but less happy people. Moreover, they were taxed extremely hard, with little money to take home or spend. Sound similiar to today?

Do you find it ok to be used as a cog in someone's wheel? In some part we all play that role, unless of course I'm talking to the children of the elite, super wealthy families. However, I highly doubt that...

What you speak on is EMPIRE building, which is only good for the top 5%, maybe less. EMPIRE building protects assets and acquires new assets. The army is really only a tool for the super wealthy, as the only reason to enter war now is to protect and acquire assets. We're not waging war because we've been attacked, but that was the ploy of 9-11. Just like it was with Pearl Harbor. Unfortunately lives were lost, but the counter-balancing benefit was infinitely greater to those who would benefit, than the loss in population and destruction of wealth.

Look at 9-11, the only people to lose money was the 90% of average America. The 10% made huge money. Larry Silverstein who lost the towers through his own scheming, is sueing to get DOUBLE damages, i.e. 2 events. He's no worse off. Halliburton is making hand over fist cash. And wall street traders made a killing. Those "in the know" weren't playing the stock market to the upside. They have access to info and resources we don't. They weren't likely to be LONG the market. Watch the video "the corporation." A Trader proclaims how he and his friends WANTED us to go to war b/c they were long oil, and were making a killing on futures contracts. All well and good if you profit, BUT to organize such events to extract wealth is treason and criminal, yet it occurs everyday.

I know your post is meant to be tongue in cheek, otherwise you're just plain naive. IN any event, the schooling system is opposite what is human nature. Learning, fundamentally, is NATURAL. Schooling, forced education with Truant Officers, isn't. It isn't natural to sit for 6 hours straight and learn crap with little revelance TODAY. You learn something USEFUL now, that benefits you NOW. If you're in a current job and want to earn $10k more, you do it. Incremental income increases aren't hard. Likewise, you build on top of things when you learn. IN school, the delayed gratification is to take away the childrens' abilities NOW. TO make them get in line and stay in line. My schools weren't apparently vile, but they still forced learning of useless things.

As I've said always, learning about money is NUMERO UNO, as is learning other LANGUAGES, yet neither are taught with any sort of importance. Instead of bringing well-renowned authors like Rohn, or Robbins, which aren't religious in any context, they teach you as if ALL school is encyclopedias or dictionaries. MEMORIZE. THEN TEST ON IT. MEMORIZE. THEN TEST. The better you memorize, the better you are. However, what shocks MOST college graduates is the LITTLE relevance their education has to productivity in the real world. Few people I know of received degrees that matched what they do, and even fewer do what they study. That's because learning in the vaccuum of colleges is nowhere near close to what working in the real world is.

My gf went to a top ranked business school, and her sales courses were very similar, however, it was also her father who's a top exec/sales person that helped her. She was prepared. Her sales classes taught her alot, and it was transferable. Yet, few students are.

Can't we see the trap? They tell you college students earn, what, $1,000,000more? Spread that over 40 years (25 to 65) and you've added... $25,000 per year. The net effect after taxes is about a $15,000 extra. Is it worth the investment? That's the average. Of course if you go longer, you have to take the cost (interest + principal) and the increases likely while you work. To me college educations are IMPORTANT, BUT I wouldn't borrow to the hilt when a BACHELORS degree is so common and required. Get a cheap one, at a local school, and work your butt off. That is the most successful. While in college DO something on the side. Work. Get a part-time gig in something you can make nice side income. Bartending, electronics, cars, whatever. Maybe you start your own small business as a result. At least you're using your skills WHILE acquiring them. So few people take a working hiatus, expect a $50,000 salary, and only work at Abercrombie and Fitch. Fine, dandy, make money. But that isn't resume building, and it won't WOW employers. In your youth it's IMPERATIVE to get exposure and skills, so when you're applying after college you've covered the minimum 2 years ENTRY requirements most employers have. MOST employers WANT work experience. Without it, you're a degreed potential candidate, nothing more. Some get lucky. But those who are in tough fields can't break in easily because they didn't use their degree while getting it. Poor conduct. But that's the mentality. Take a break from working. Drink. Fvck. Not work. Hey, if you got connections, do it. If it's mom and dad's money, do it. But for those who want more, to maximize what they want. Save, be conservative, learn some saleable skills.

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diplomatic_lies said:
Why should we support the weak parts of society? If you have a tumour, do you encourage it?
Zig heil. :rolleyes:
 

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Does the whole college scam just encourage people to join the military to get money for college? Send the poor to war I guess.
 

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Simple solution: Re-introduce corporal punishment.
Amen. But I've been there. I went to school outside the US. Corporal punishment has a dark side, and I have scars to show for it.

America has gotten to soft and touchy-feely for that now. I went to school on a Caribbean island in a catholic school where the principal cast a dark shadow of fear and reverence whenever he passed. He would knock you out if you stepped out of line, and you respected him for it.

As far as male underachievement goes, I'm not worried. Its been getting worse for a while, but when you look at the Nobel Prize nominees, the CEO's of Fortune 500 companies, the statistics for heads of departments at colleges and the upper echelons of the political spectrum, in other words, the upper levels of society, you realize that it's still a man's world.

When you read entrepeneurial literature, and talk to men in high places, you realize that high test scores and good grades make you a good scholar or a good worker bee employee, but not necessarily a good LEADER.

After all is said and done, there is absolutely no correlation between GPA and SAT scores, and political power and/or wealth This is NOT NEW. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Edison, Michael Dell, Gates, the list goes on and on of men who rose to exceptional power and wealth with little formal education and average IQ, because they branch out on their own. Ask yourself how many women compared to men are in the upper 2% bracket of the world's wealthiest and most powerful, and find out whether women or men are more likely to start their own companies. I have no problem with women climbing the corporate ladder, its great and it doesn't threaten me.

Because we own the ladders.
 

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diplomatic_lies said:
Maybe American schools should follow the Prussian tradition. Break down students more, destroy their independence, and turn them into drones. After all, great empires are built by obedience, not independence.
o great idea....nazi germany all over again
 
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