Boxing vs Kickboxing

[Adone]

I swear half of you posted in this thread have no fukin idea how a fight goes down. By that I mean a "real" fight in the street not some fukin tournament. Maybe you guys should watch this guy fight before judgements are made about whether a boxer is better than a kicker.

Buakaw
Buakaw destroys this guy..

What many of you don't realize is that when you actually fight someone who can kick properly it makes him more deadlier than a boxer because of longer reach and better yet power and force that is generated. I've sparred against people that can kick the sh** out of you and believe me when I tell you no matter how fast you THINK your hands are legs can be just as fast. Believe it or not when you get kneed by a professional Muay Thai fighter it's like getting hit by a car at 35 MPH, it's enough force to fukin shatter your ribcage.

HOWEVER, most of the street fights always end up on the ground one way or another.

You guys are funny trying to interpret scenarios of what could possibly happen.

:crackup:

Nobody here thinks that a kickboxer isn't strong, we're just saying that at the very beginning of a fight, you most likely won't be able to throw a kick, since you'll be too close to your opponent. And since you're close, if he's a boxer, he'll be more likely to KO you rather than viceversa. Got it?

 

[wolf116]

Street fight I saw.
Boxer threatens kickboxer, walks over, gets kicked in the head, falls down, doesn't get back up.

Morel of the story: kickboxer has longer reach.

I think it's better to learn boxing first then move to muay thai then to mma. Thats what I did anyway. For a beginner boxing will be more effective. This is only in my experience tho.

 

[wolf116]

Nobody here thinks that a kickboxer isn't strong, we're just saying that at the very beginning of a fight, you most likely won't be able to throw a kick, since you'll be too close to your opponent. And since you're close, if he's a boxer, he'll be more likely to KO you rather than viceversa. Got it?

In my one and only street fight I only used one kick. Straight in the nuts. He pulled a knife on me.

Morel of the story: fight dirty, don't fight using a style used in sport.

 

[Latinoman]

Is it safe to say that a good kickboxer would beat a good boxer? Since a kickboxer uses both legs and fists can we assume the style is better?


It seems like kickboxing is used more in MMA, yet most knockouts occur by the fist.... so I'm confused.

Take Chuck Lidell. He is a kickboxer but usually ends u knocking poeple out by boxing......

Want to hear some feedback from the experts

Well...who are the ones making the MILLIONS? Boxers.

I bet you whatever, that if Lidell had a lot of boxing skills as to be commanding millions of $$$$...he would be boxing. Especially at his weight class.

Furthermore...kickboxing and for that matter boxing are USELESS in real street fighting. As we all know...an unprotected hand can break. And that could be doom.

 

[Unregistered]

Furthermore...kickboxing and for that matter boxing are USELESS in real street fighting. As we all know...an unprotected hand can break. And that could be doom.

That's why whenever I get into a fight, I pray that my opponent has trained for years in kickboxing or boxing. I always think to myself, "Boy, I hope this guy runs 8 miles every morning, and spends his days practicing footwork, defense, and punching." I know that after 15 or 20 hard shots to my face his hand stands a good chance of breaking, or at least being sore. Then the next day at the hospital I can say "you should see the other guy's hand".

Now, when I get an out-of-shape drunk whose fighting training consists of watching UFC, I know I am doomed to be submitted.

 

[Latinoman]

That's why whenever I get into a fight, I pray that my opponent has trained for years in kickboxing or boxing. I always think to myself, "Boy, I hope this guy runs 8 miles every morning, and spends his days practicing footwork, defense, and punching." I know that after 15 or 20 hard shots to my face his hand stands a good chance of breaking, or at least being sore. Then the next day at the hospital I can say "you should see the other guy's hand".

Now, when I get an out-of-shape drunk whose fighting training consists of watching UFC, I know I am doomed to be submitted.

A sure way to break your hands is by hitting somebody in the head without protection. The ONLY sure punch that can keep you from hurting your hand is the jab.

Do you think that most of those killers or mafia or street gangsters were trained with "kick boxing" or even "boxing"? What they have is a great set of balls and the willingness to DIE or KILL.

Just because a person can fight in a control environment such as kickboxing or boxing...does not translate into that person being a great street fighter...in a REAL LIFE/DEATH scenario.

Sure...knowing how to throw a punch (and better yet, how to slip and dodge a punch) is a great skill to have, especially when fighting drunks. But today? When people mob you (4 or 5 people jump on you) or people have guns?

Pretty stupid.

 

[Reyaj]

Ok we are talking 1 on 1 fighting here.

That beating up a group of people only works in Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan movies!


Just an example of boxing over kickboxing.

Vitor Belfort (boxer) knocked out Wandrei Silva (kick boxer)

and Silva is considered one of the best fighters in the world.

The problem with UFC and MMA is that those that are boxers aren't the best caliber... and I guess you could say the same about kickboxers.

Thats why I'd be interested to see how a good boxer does in UFC. I wouldn't mind seeing some wash up like Fernando Vargas test his hand at it.

 

[Raikojo17]

That's why whenever I get into a fight, I pray that my opponent has trained for years in kickboxing or boxing. I always think to myself, "Boy, I hope this guy runs 8 miles every morning, and spends his days practicing footwork, defense, and punching." I know that after 15 or 20 hard shots to my face his hand stands a good chance of breaking, or at least being sore. Then the next day at the hospital I can say "you should see the other guy's hand".

Now, when I get an out-of-shape drunk whose fighting training consists of watching UFC, I know I am doomed to be submitted.

only if ur punching form is wrong will that happen. i speak from experience, u should only punch with the two large knuckles on ur hand, not the small ones.

and if u have hardened ur knuckles, than breaking shouldnt be a problem.

plus, how many guys do u know that can take 15 shots to the face without giving up or being knocked out? or dying?
lol ur probably being sarcastic, but im just stating my opinion for people who dont know the truth.

 

[tipsy_619]

None of these so called great fighters practice footwork.
Once blows are being thrown their footwork is sloppy & half assed.
Being tired out after a couple rounds is laughable.

FOOTWORK IS SO OVERLOOKED & UNDERDEVELOPED

MMA is an excuse to not master any 1 technique & move on to something else & call it part of ur arsenal

Most street fights can be won with great footwork & a nice 1-2 combo

I can see a boxer doing very well in MMA as long as he updates his footwork because boxers dont know other ranges besides puching range
& they need to account for take downs & kicks

And they give & take too much kinda like muay thai

Boxers have some of the worst footwork of all!

 

[TheHoff]

a boxer is more vulnerable to take downs though is he not?? a good wrestler mixed with g'n'p skill and a bit of muay thai (i.e. a mma fighter or combination fighter would destroy a boxer! same goes, a good boxer with a good take defence would kill a wrestler.

it all depends on how well rounded the fighter is, but on the topic of who hits hardest with a punch, most likely a boxer, but will depend on the person

 

[Raikojo17]

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Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuNTyXlyKSc (more)

lol for all u skeptics, watch this. if u think none of this stuff would be useful in a real fight, than u must fight freakin monsters or sumthing.

 

[Adone]

a boxer is more vulnerable to take downs though is he not?? a good wrestler mixed with g'n'p skill and a bit of muay thai (i.e. a mma fighter or combination fighter would destroy a boxer! same goes, a good boxer with a good take defence would kill a wrestler.

it all depends on how well rounded the fighter is, but on the topic of who hits hardest with a punch, most likely a boxer, but will depend on the person

What about making your post readable next time?

Anyway, I'd like to know why a Boxer is more vulnerable to take downs than a kickboxer... Probably because in your mind kickboxing and muay thai is the same... And muay thai and MMA are more or less the same... And then Kickboxing needs grappling skills...

 

[TheHoff]

What about making your post readable next time?

Anyway, I'd like to know why a Boxer is more vulnerable to take downs than a kickboxer... Probably because in your mind kickboxing and muay thai is the same... And muay thai and MMA are more or less the same... And then Kickboxing needs grappling skills...

In MMA a boxer who knows only boxing skills will be taken down easily, i've seen it many times before. However you do have a point that a kickboxer who only has kick-boxing is also vulnerable. And no, i don't think that muay thai and kickboxing are the same, but they are similar, and Muay thai is a form of kickboxing used commonly in K-1 and MMA.

In the future MR ADONE, i will try to make my threads more readable for uptight mofo's like yourself!! lol JK peaceout and lets hope you don't meet me on the streets or i will have to put you in a Muay Thai Clinch! haha :box:

 

[Adone]

In MMA a boxer who knows only boxing skills will be taken down easily, i've seen it many times before. However you do have a point that a kickboxer who only has kick-boxing is also vulnerable. And no, i don't think that muay thai and kickboxing are the same, but they are similar, and Muay thai is a form of kickboxing used commonly in K-1 and MMA.

In the future MR ADONE, i will try to make my threads more readable for uptight mofo's like yourself!! lol JK peaceout and lets hope you don't meet me on the streets or i will have to put you in a Muay Thai Clinch! haha :box:

1. AMOGing is not cool when done on the internet. Anyway, it's not about being uptight: since I'm not English or American, it's not easy for me to read something that it's written at a primary school kid's level.

2. You said that a boxer is more vulnerable to take downs than a kickboxer and I told you "No, he's not. In kickboxing they don't teach to defend yourself by takedowns. That's why a boxer and a kickboxer are equally vulnerable to takedowns".

3. Muay Thai is a form of kickboxing?!? Muay Thai is a lot more ancient than kickboxing and is a lot different. That's like saying that Ju-Jitsu is a form of Judo. Muay Thai is ALSO used in K1 and MMA, but it's one of the most important Martial Arts.

 

[TheHoff]

1. AMOGing is not cool when done on the internet. Anyway, it's not about being uptight: since I'm not English or American, it's not easy for me to read something that it's written at a primary school kid's level.

haha, i wasn't trying to AMOG you, found that quite funny actually. Well reading a little slang now and again can only help your English by broadening it!

yeah, i corrected myself there. But i wouldn't say equal, a kick boxer can always kick or knee in the head when opponent is going for the take down. You could call that a form of take down defense!lol!

I'm not stupid, and i know that Muay Thai is not kickboxing, but it is widely categorized as a form of kickboxing in the MMA forums (www.sherdog.net), of which i am a part of. Go on that forum and make your argument.... we'll see how long you last!

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Let me say this: the MMAer who is trained in muaythai and BJJ has an advantage over the boxer.

No matter what range you pit the MMAer in, theres a move he can do that can take the boxer out of commision that the boxer is not trained to defend against.

-at long range, the MMAer can kick a shot to the groin or knee cap and take the boxer out. The boxer isnt trained to defend against this.

-at near punching range, he can dive into his legs and take the boxer down, then do some BJJ and put him in a choke hold. THe boxer isnt trained to defend against this.

-at even closer range, the MMAer can land a knee shot to the groin, taking the boxer out. the boxer is not trained to defend against this.

Sure, the boxer may be able to punch harder than the MMAer. But the question of this original post was really about which art has the advantage. So we are assuming that the fighter using their respective styles will fight their best. This implies that the MMAer will go for the boxers legs when theyre close enough to punch becuase hes fighting his best, always doing the moves that the boxer cant defend against. so then it really doesnt matter at all if the boxer is a better puncher. The MMAer isnt going to try and fight the boxer in the way in which the boxer is strongest. he will fight him in the way in which the boxer is weakest. The only range the boxer can kind of do atleast something is in that punching range, but in such a range the MMAer would do best by diving into his legs for a take down (not to try and punch back etc). the boxer can punch the top of his head (thats the best he can do) but it wont stop the take down; hes not trained to defend against such a move. In all other ranges, the MMAer just dominates the boxer and the boxer is fvcked. Cant say the same for what the boxer can do to beat the MMAer.

Its clear MMA (MT +BJJ) is better than boxing, no question.

 

[Adone]

Its clear MMA (MT +BJJ) is better than boxing, no question.

Nobody argues that. The topic was about whether kickboxing were more useful than boxing or not. In my opinion it's not, because punching harder IMO compensates lacking kicking skills. You may disagree, but I think that the best boxer in the world would destroy the best kickboxer in the world.

Obviously, something that mixes MT and BJJ would be even more useful, but that's not the point of the thread.

 

[Adone]

I'm not stupid, and i know that Muay Thai is not kickboxing, but it is widely categorized as a form of kickboxing in the MMA forums (www.sherdog.net), of which i am a part of. Go on that forum and make your argument.... we'll see how long you last!

Where do they say that MUAY THAI IS A FORM OF KICKBOXING? I'm pretty curious, because I've surfed that forum and I found no evidence of that.

 

[TheHoff]

You may disagree, but I think that the best boxer in the world would destroy the best kickboxer in the world.

hahaha good one!!! thats is very doubtful. maybe in a boxing match but thats it!
i highly doubt any boxer could take the striking of a top level kickboxer, (the best compete in k-1) like jerome le banner, without being ko'd!

BTW its in that forum somewhere but i'm not bothered on finding it. If you use that forum then make a thread asking them, or better yet, perform a search!? They will tell you that its an effective striking method, and has been called Muay Thai Kickboxing by many people :trouble: :trouble:

 

[Adone]

hahaha good one!!! thats is very doubtful. maybe in a boxing match but thats it!
i highly doubt any boxer could take the striking of a top level kickboxer, (the best compete in k-1) like jerome le banner, without being ko'd!

BTW its in that forum somewhere but i'm not bothered on finding it. If you use that forum then make a thread asking them, or better yet, perform a search!? They will tell you that its an effective striking method, and has been called Muay Thai Kickboxing by many people :trouble: :trouble:

1. That's a matter of personal opinions, but I think Mike Tyson in his prime was a lot stronger than Jerome.

2. No way I'm going to Sherdog saying "Is it true that you guys consider Muay Thai a part of Kickboxing?"... Maybe it's me, but I don't like being called names.