Born Again religious freaks and Don Juans ?

[Rubirosa]

An observation:
Every religious nut I've ever encountered who has passed judgement on me and my sinning ways has had a past which was heavy on the sex and drugs. In other words, they pissed all the "fun" living out of their system before they became "Born Again". Now they preach "The Way"
There seems to be a theme on this site (which I agree with) which states more or less the following:
It's not about the chicks...it's about you improving yourself....which gets the chicks.
I have a friend who's a very successful Businessman/Playboy. We both have similar experience in terms of our journeys in dealing with the opposite sex. We were laughing at his story about how he didn't feel like screwing this one girl only because he didn't feel like driving that evening. I joked that if he was 20 years old, he would have made the drive. He laughed "Are you kidding ? Back then I would drive 3 hours to get laid !"
I think that maybe I'm like those wackjobs who preach only after they've sinned. Does all my advice fall on deaf ears because no matter how much advice one hears, experience is the only true teacher ?
I can bang a different chick every night of the week if I want to...so it's somewhat EASY for me to say "It's about you, not the chicks !"
Kind of like a rich John Lennon singing "All you need is Love "
I feel guilty in some weird way because I'm saying that chicks aren't a priority maybe because I have a large supply

Rollo ? Your take ?

 

[princesimba]

well im a "religious nut", i've never had sex or taken any drugs, and call me what you want but i do still have girls attracted to me

 

[Cherokee]

Girls are attracted to masculinity.

That means, confident, independent, inspiring, adventurous, outgoing, social etc

Sure certain quirks might be a plus or minus, BUT if you stick to being a man you will reap the rewards.

One of my best friends is a VERY good looking guy, model looks and he is a man in all the sense. BUT he is also quirky as hell in terms of his hobbies and mannerisms.

However, because he does everything with confidence in a way that says "I'm doing this because this is me and I don't care what you think" ALL the girls want a piece of him.

 

[Rubirosa]

well im a "religious nut", i've never had sex or taken any drugs, and call me what you want but i do still have girls attracted to me

You totally missed my point dude. I specified every one that "I've encountered". I was not trying to make a correlation between spiritual people and how attractive they are to the opposite sex. I used the term "nut" as a negative term because I am offended when someone tells me I'm a sinner only after they have lived a VERY secular lifestyle. My observation stems from the experience I have had with "saved Christians".
I was trying to make a point that I find myself on here preaching when I've lived through alot of mistakes on how to get and keep women, and now I have a lot. I see some kind of similarity between myself and those that are spiritually saved. Preaching the way----Should I preach the Don Juan gospel or just let expereince be the teacher ?

 

[EA Gold]

Do you want someone to judge you based on what you did 10 years ago? I don't think its fair to you or fair for anyone else. If a person says what they are going to do and their lifestyle affirms it, maybe thats something to look into. If their life drastically changed for the better then wouldn't you want to find out more?

Now I can't speak for religious people, but I can speak from what the bible says. Your not a sinner because of your past lifestyle... You were born a sinner, and that includes me, you and everyone else. Even if a person was religious all his life and did not do drugs or alcohol, our righteousness are like filthy rags to God.

 

[Rubirosa]

I 100% support anything that inspires a person to change their life for the better. I simply don't like the the hypocracy of someone who's just blown their load telling me not to have sex (please excuse the crude analogy).
I am not anti spirituality. I am not judging someone on their past. I am questioning the validity of their platform because they are JUDGING ME for doing the same stuff they did before they went through their change. I was somehow trying to draw a comparison between reformed spiritualists and myself because I'm so judgemental on this forum.

 

[RockaRolla25]

People still believe there's a such thing as "God?"

What's next? Will Batman rid New York of crime too?

 

[prairiedog24]

I hear you man. The most "easy" girl at my school is the self proclaimed queen of "family values." I don't think there's anybody on campus she hasn't gotten with. Wasn't it CS Lewis who said this?

The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today
Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle
That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

Anyway. People will be people. I'm a "religious nut" myself. Had a long complicated relationship with a person who I consider an absolute 10 (yes I've had onitis bad the last two years). But at the end of the day she wanted a physically sexual relationship before marriage, which I do not believe is a healthy idea despite the cultural trends. I had to let her go, and it was the hardest thing I've ever done.

Try letting a perfect 10 walk away when she wants you and you're a virgin. It's tough. Really tough.

But, on the other hand, I dodged a bullet. I was very much emotionally involved in this girl more than I should have been, and she likely would have broken my heart someday anyway (we probably aren't long term compatible.)

But now I don't have to deal with child support, excess emotional baggage, or whatever. Can start fresh, and implement more and more of the positive side of this website. It was one hell of a learning experience and I feel damn happy lately.

 

[Rubirosa]

My choice of analogy has steered this tread away from my intent. My issue is this question : Is it perhaps too easy for us who have women to pass judgement on less experienced guys by telling them to focus on themselves instead of women ? Would I be so glib in my advice if I was celibate ? It's like a cart before the horse situation............The irony is that experience has shown that our advice is the way to go.

 

[sodbuster]

The religious guy had the Bible tell him it's not a good idea,it took your experience in life to get to the same point. Drinking until you are stupid? Bible tells you not to do it... so does experience[who wants to miss the next 2 days of a productive life?]. False gods[women and sex?]? Think you've figured it out.

The Bible also tells us not to judge.... BUT people being people... inevitably will compare themselves to others in order to make themselves feel better. I was a virgin until marriage... I'm better than you are. VS I've slept with a thousand women.... I'm better than you are[here]. I'm Christian,so I'm better than you vs I'm not stupid enough to believe in that whole "God thing"

All done in order to feel superior to someone else... the easy way... instead of actually improving themselves.

 

[prairiedog24]

The religious guy had the Bible tell him it's not a good idea,it took your experience in life to get to the same point. Drinking until you are stupid? Bible tells you not to do it... so does experience[who wants to miss the next 2 days of a productive life?]. False gods[women and sex?]? Think you've figured it out.

The Bible also tells us not to judge.... BUT people being people... inevitably will compare themselves to others in order to make themselves feel better. I was a virgin until marriage... I'm better than you are. VS I've slept with a thousand women.... I'm better than you are[here]. I'm Christian,so I'm better than you vs I'm not stupid enough to believe in that whole "God thing"

All done in order to feel superior to someone else... the easy way... instead of actually improving themselves.

Was this directed at me?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

RUBIROSA isn't making a religious statement here so much as he's drawing comparisons in hypocrisy. 'Do as I say, not as I've done' is what he's concerned with. The religious are easy targets in this regard, but really, everyone's a hypocrite to varying degrees.

When I was a young AFC in my late teens I would've honestly been appalled by what I advocate on this forum today. My outlook at that time was incorrect and influenced by persons, conditions and social conventions of which I was totally unaware. The 19 year old Rollo Tomassi would've advocated the exact opposite of the 43 y.o. Tomassi would today. Does that make me a hypocrite today? Or, what if my outlook was correct and through the course of life and events I changed my way of thinking and lifestyle for a period of time, only to later go back to what had originally been truth to me later?

Life is learning. A hypocrite is someone who's words and actions are incongruent in the present, not so much the past. I give advice here based on what I got so horribly wrong in the past, not because I did everything perfect from the get go. This is why it's a dangerous business to build your reputation on moralism or absolutism. What your life experiences teach you will eventually come into conflict with them inspite of how rock solid you believe they are. And it's then that people will call you to the carpet for being something you say you are or aren't.

Now, more to the point, yes, you're correct that it is all about getting laid, but it's also about improving oneself too. Pussie has inspired more men to become great than any other factor in human history. I think what you're missing here is that the drive to succeed and the drive to get laid are mutually beneficial. They're symbiotic. The problems arise when you attempt to separate these two influences and turn them into absolute binaries. Pussie = Bad, Little Emperor = Good : Pussie = Good, Little Emperor = waste of time. It doesn't work this way.

When people say "If all you're living for is ƒucking and women, then I pity you for not living right." what they're doing is making a binary judgement call while using themselves as a referendum. When one guy feels he's living 'by the rules' then everyone else has to play by them too in order for him to validate his existence. When another guy wins by not playing by the first guy's rules he then needs to invalidate that win. Take a guy who did everything by the book, got married to the first girl he'd ever banged, went to college, has a decent job, has 2 kids, and set him next to the high school drop out, who's still unmarried, enjoys many women, stumbles into a well paying job and has few responsibilities. Who has the greater life experiences? Who's "doing it right? Which one of these guys is more likely to try to invalidate the lifestyle of the other? Who envies who, and who is 'happier'?

 

[sodbuster]

That post wasn't directed at anyone. IF one of the shoes fit, think about it and decide if you want to wear it. IF you read it, it attacks both sides equally. Should be getting a reply from RR25 soon asking the same.

NOT saying there are or aren't absolutes in morality..... just don't use them as a way to make yourself feel better about yourself. JUST like I shouldn't use my bank account to feel superior to others. A market crash would wipe out my "superiority complex". Will 1 mistake where you get carried away and lose your virginity wipe out all your self esteem? IF RR25 faces a life changing crisis and converts to Christianity,what happens to his "intellectual superiority"? Judge yourself on what you are doing vs. what you are capable of doing,don't make comparisons with other people based on beliefs THAT is the point I'm trying to make.

 

[prairiedog24]

That post wasn't directed at anyone. IF one of the shoes fit, think about it and decide if you want to wear it. IF you read it, it attacks both sides equally. Should be getting a reply from RR25 soon asking the same.

NOT saying there are or aren't absolutes in morality..... just don't use them as a way to make yourself feel better about yourself. JUST like I shouldn't use my bank account to feel superior to others. A market crash would wipe out my "superiority complex". Will 1 mistake where you get carried away and lose your virginity wipe out all your self esteem? IF RR25 faces a life changing crisis and converts to Christianity,what happens to his "intellectual superiority"? Judge yourself on what you are doing vs. what you are capable of doing,don't make comparisons with other people based on beliefs THAT is the point I'm trying to make.

Oh I agree with that entirely.