Book Recommendation: "Natural Cures They Don't Want you To know About."

[A-Unit]

At first I was skeptical, at least as it relates to the book. When you see books on infomercials, you're naturally a little cautious. However, Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About," hits the nail on the head as a roadmap to taking care of your body throughout your life. It gives great information regarding maintenance to NATURALLY throughout your life avoid pills, prescription and non prescription drugs, and various methods and herbs you can use to keep the body safe, clean, free from disease, healthy, and energized.

I'll preface all that by saying the first few pages reveal the depths of a conspiracy AGAINST the American consumer as it relates to the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and other such "medical professionals." For those who abhor such theories, or even quiver at the idea, don't let it detract from a wholesome and valuable book, chock full of wonderful ideas. And I don't mean just curing acnes, but I mean preventing/avoiding cancer throughout your life, even if there's genetic predisposition, as well as heart disease, diabetes, and weight gain.

Anybody who knows me personally, knows I go to the SOURCE of information. Personally, I do not believe in doctors much. Their jobs are purely to prescribe drugs and cut part of you up or out. In an emergency, or for aesthetic work, they're wonderful. But for MAINTENANCE, for health preservation, for nutrition, they're PURE shyt. Absolute and pure shyt. First, because wherever they get the INFORMATION on nutrition, and health maintenance is controlled. Second, because they can't deviate from the lines of their profession or they risk law suit. Third, because not many widely study alternative medicies. Fourth, because they can't recommend natural remedies because they don't make a profit for the big companies.

Case in point, ephedra was BANNED because of some documented 153 deaths. Now, death sucks, but given that 3,000,000 people took it a year, OR more, and had been taken for CENTURIES, is it reasonable to blame EPHEDRA for such deaths? NO! If Ephedra CAUSED it, then it should be 300,000, or even 30,000, and one can't confirm if it's EPHEDRA, or the other ingredients it was mixed with. Moreover, MANY people who took, MIGHT have been unhealthy about its use, such as superdehydrating, working out too hard, or not eating sufficiently. I personally took it with not one side effect save the same jitters you get with an Espresso @ Starbucks. So come on. Aspirin literally kills 2,000 people a year, the warnings are written right on it, and we know, it can contribute or exacerbate an ulser, and should NEVER be taken with alcohol. Can you say the same of Ephedra, which is merely a plant that was taken for Centuries?

You see, big PHARMA wanted NATURAL herbs BANNED because they're effective, cheap, and by BANNING natural fat loss herbs, people gain weight, contract diabetes, it boost their heart disease rate, and a host of OTHER problems that come with it. In doing that, they INSURED their profit centers. Yeah, it sounds crazy, but it's 100% true.

Just like we can't use drugs created in other countries because supposedly they are not UP to our standards here.

There's many other books out there regarding these alternative methods, and not so much alternative methods, but nutritional tidbits that will aid your recovery from workouts, heal your liver faster which aids in fat burning, and other supplements that might not give you big muscles, but can fix or heal something that WILL enable you to grow or recover faster.

For instance, pure, unsweetened Cranberry Juice heals the liver, acts as a strong antioxidant, and can clean the urinary tract so you avoid any nasty diseases or lingering sperm soldiers. Women particularly should take it regularly since they are susceptible to UTIs, but normally only consume a bunch when they already have it.

Most bodybuilder's already know of the deficiency in the FDA food pyramid. It doesn't work if you're trying to get big and strong, and it certainly doesn't work if you're a sedentary individual, since it is very PRO-carb, and those who aren't active shouldn't be downing tons of Carbs anyways. SO what good is it? It doesn't work on the super healthy. And it doesn't work on those who truly need it. Then why has it long stood as the basis for which mothers sort of feed their children and also its placement in basic health books?

The God-like nature of this field and profession has WORSENED the health situation of people. It hasn't given them any good opinions on what works and what doesn't, it acts like the source of information, BUT ANYBODY can be their own health practioner, particularly those into herbs and alternative healing.

A show on Michael Strahan showed that he gets regular Acupuncture treatments, and that it works. His pain immediately goes away THAT day. He doesn't see a doctor who hands him pills and tells him to rest. Instead he sees his chiropractor (regarded often as a quack by Doctors) and his acupuncturist.

Check it out, borrow it from the library, or buy it straight it. I highly recommend this book and other's like it that round you out, in addition to your physical features, and also aid recovery for those hard-drinking Dj's.


A-Unit

 

[Egoist]

you are like the conspiracy theory junkie of this board..


the truth is never as obvious as it appears.

 

[KarmaSutra]

I skimmed through the book and what I realized is I can't live on organic wheat grass.

Guys a quack.

 

[KarmaSutra]

This guy does make me really decent points, the skin cancer bit and relying on artificial sweeteners fvcking you up.

I see him as Dr. Phil with a green thumb.

 

[Egoist]

This guy does make me really decent points, the skin cancer bit and relying on artificial sweeteners fvcking you up.

I see him as Dr. Phil with a green thumb.

actually he is a well known salesman/multi-level marketing guru.

in other words, a very experienced scammer.

 

[Chillisauce]

‘I'll preface all that by saying the first few pages reveal the depths of a conspiracy AGAINST the American consumer as it relates to the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and other such "medical professionals’

I’m not an American and have little knowledge of your pharmaceutical market so I wont make a call on this. It did make me quiver a little I must admit though , people talking about conspiracy theories usually sets off ‘crazy’ alarm bells.

‘but I mean preventing/avoiding cancer throughout your life, even if there's genetic predisposition, as well as heart disease, diabetes, and weight gain. ‘

Does it show proof via reputable scientific research that these ways work?

‘doctors much. Their jobs are purely to prescribe drugs and cut part of you up or out. In an emergency, or for aesthetic work, they're wonderful. But for MAINTENANCE, for health preservation, for nutrition, they're PURE shyt. Absolute and pure shyt.’

I agree partially on this point, some doctors know a lot more about nutrition than other doctors. I bet there are people more qualified to give you advice relating to nutrition though.


‘ First, because wherever they get the INFORMATION on nutrition, and health maintenance is controlled.’
I disagree here, I’ve met quite a few (somewhere around 10-20) doctors through my father and many of them had very different views on health maintenance and nutrition. The fact that they differ in opinion shows that they are getting information from different sources. If you mean they all access the same medical research journals and this is how they are being controlled, you’d have to prove another conspiracy theory revolving around the scientific research community first.



‘ Second, because they can't deviate from the lines of their profession or they risk law suit. Third, because not many widely study alternative medicies. Fourth, because they can't recommend natural remedies because they don't make a profit for the big companies.’

The problem I have with alternative medicies is that the ones which are proven to work don’t stay alternative for long, leaving you with all the remedies which don’t work under a nice heading ‘alternative medicies’. Lets say you find a herb in brazil with the ability to suppress colds. If its proven to work a pharmaceutical company will isolate the compound which is causing the effect and then mass produce it in a pill or liquid form to then be prescribed by doctors to people showing symptoms of a cold.

So is a doctor going to recommend the herb which the patient must ingest a pound a day of from a natural medicines place to get the EXACT same chemical that the patient could take devoid of all the parts of the herb which don’t suppress colds. Another point is the herb will cost more and quality is not as well enforced as with pharmaceuticals.


‘Case in point, ephedra was BANNED because of some documented 153 deaths. Now, death sucks, but given that 3,000,000 people took it a year, OR more, and had been taken for CENTURIES, is it reasonable to blame EPHEDRA for such deaths? NO! If Ephedra CAUSED it, then it should be 300,000, or even 30,000, and one can't confirm if it's EPHEDRA, or the other ingredients it was mixed with. Moreover, MANY people who took, MIGHT have been unhealthy about its use, such as superdehydrating, working out too hard, or not eating sufficiently. I personally took it with not one side effect save the same jitters you get with an Espresso @ Starbucks. So come on. Aspirin literally kills 2,000 people a year, the warnings are written right on it, and we know, it can contribute or exacerbate an ulser, and should NEVER be taken with alcohol.’

I agree, there is obviously something suss going on here. If your government used deaths as a genuine means to rate the harm of something then they would have done something about your beef quality (check up on some of the death statistics on ground beef which can be avoided by spending a little more money earlier on) or even your gun laws.
By the way, how many of those reported Aspirin deaths were suicides?

‘Can you say the same of Ephedra, which is merely a plant that was taken for Centuries?’

Something being a plant does not make it healthy, check out http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/ for a list of some plants which are deadly to humans. Also, just because something has been taken for centuries does not make it healthy. We know more now than we did in the past.

‘You see, big PHARMA wanted NATURAL herbs BANNED because they're effective, cheap, and by BANNING natural fat loss herbs, people gain weight, contract diabetes, it boost their heart disease rate, and a host of OTHER problems that come with it. In doing that, they INSURED their profit centers. Yeah, it sounds crazy, but it's 100% true.’

I think that’s taking it a bit far. The most logical reason big pharmaceutical companies would want natural herbs banned would be because they are competition. That their goal is to actually create their own work through illness and death is paranoia.

‘Just like we can't use drugs created in other countries because supposedly they are not UP to our standards here.’

That’s more protectionism than conspiracy.

‘A show on Michael Strahan showed that he gets regular Acupuncture treatments, and that it works. His pain immediately goes away THAT day. He doesn't see a doctor who hands him pills and tells him to rest. Instead he sees his chiropractor (regarded often as a quack by Doctors) and his acupuncturist.’

A study also showed that a test group given real acupuncture showed the same results as a group given fake acupuncture, suggesting that it’s a placebo. I know cases of men being struck by lightning and surviving, this doesn’t mean the greater majority of people struck by lightning will survive.

Sorry for the absolutely horrendous grammar and sentence structure, its been a long, long day. I have quite a few more of these days coming up so it may take me a while to respond.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Nice discussion.

And to think someone is BAD because they did MLM or are a salesman is a poor theory on quality of character. You'd have to prove in a court of law his activity in those practices caused harm and damage, and even then, the career/job does not discredit him. If you were to say "He's a known rapist and has been convicted on a Ponzi Scheme," you might have something, as that directly relates to character. I have done, on even a minor level MLM, many around the country do, with success in some way. We all sell, and some of the top Dj's on the board. That isn't any strike to someone's character or credibility, unless you personally weight that differently, but in a court of law, that alone doesn't discredit what is written.

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Good points raised all around Chilli.

Doctors, by and large, aren't nutritionists. Some MIGHT, for the benefit of their clients, get a firm understanding of nutrition, but most, IMO, top personal trainers have a better understanding of losing/gaining weight. On a personal level, they may review information for their own benefit, but it isn't the practice of a GP to prescribe certain nutritional plans, and how often do we here about any changes to the FDA pyramid? How often does the truth come out about Aspartame and Excitoxicity? How often do you hear about the detrimental long-term effects of pills/drugs on the liver and its ability to process normal foods in the body?

Many of the reasons women get fat on the pill, aside from excessive eating, is how damaging the pill can be on the liver. Though the liver does rejuvenate itself well, its constantly bombarded by crap. By processed foods. By hormones provided by Hormone Manufacturer Monsanta through their recombinant bovine growth hormone. BGH. It leaks through in meat and dairy products, and has the most noticeable effect on girls.

As far as protectionism, I disagree, and this speaks to the heart of my posts on a lack of personal responsibility. Out of fear of lawsuits, because a whole atmosphere of protectionism has grown, EVERYTHING, and damn NEAR everything is now commercialized, reviewed, and controlled, to the point people can't choose for themselves. They can't be allowed options to CHOOSE. Why is this?

I would BUY much of the posts, it's simply that, our stronger bodies are deteriorating much faster, and younger. Sure the average life expectancy increases, yet the quality doesn't. More people are sicker than ever, obese, have heart problems and cancer, and more drugs are prescribed to counter this. If progress had taken place, then I'd like to see LESS. Some diseases would have to be totally gone for me to BUY it that there isn't "something up."

Plants do have their poisonous characteristics, however, it's well known drugs, by and large, are more poisonous as a group, that their well meaning ways of "curing" normally have offsetting problems coupled with them. Of course plants can be bad, hence why you choose and study.

Even if the reason for banning herbs is competition (though I still differ, and I'll tell you why), then how is that anymore right than the fact drug companies want to keep the cycle of sickness going around and around?

Case in point, a well known fat burner, or at least effective one, I believe named Lypoprene (I'll get the definitive name) which I took, was shelved. This was BEFORE ephedra was banned. This product was so effective, though all natural, it was brought under suit because its herbal profile was built similar to the DRUG one, though it wasn't the SAME because it was pure, natural, born in nature, not engineered. Just a superior product, cheaper, and could be bought by anyone. The health store friend I bought it from had pictures going up, just prior to it being banned and brought under suit. It's one sad story amongst many, of how all natural research would benefit our body's over and above regular ones.

My own mentor/partner has dramatically reversed his health position and dropped his heard and blood pressures meds when he STOPPED listening to doctors. The biggest dispute I'd hear here is that it's not a large enough "sample", despite his having a history of heart disease and a heart attack. However, he's almost 100% off the pills, after years of dependency, AND has dropped 20lbs of fat in one month. All the doctors that he had at least seen told him to just "work on diet (nothing specific) and keep popping the pills." Typical.

I'm glad there's free range of speech.


A-Unit

 

[RaWBLooD]

if u were serious about being healthy you could find this searching online, for free. from many sources, and make your own mind up whats true and whats not.

 

[prosemont]

Good discussion. I read the book and there are many good ideas in there. As far as there being a "conspiracy" I just think that's marketing hype. Listen, our government and the various agencies out there cannot even tie their collective shoes, there's no way there's a conspiracy.

What you often do have to do, however, is follow the money. Drug companies do fund studies to prove what they want proved. Then, for lack of other studies, there's just no "proof" (defined as a documented and controlled study) other than anecdotal information that other therapies and natural remedies work. But, it is also a fact that our life expectancy has increased partly (mostly) due to our doctors and medicines. I wouldn't trade either of them for a million Trudeau's or his alternative medicines.

But, that is not the point. Where Trudeau wants to create an "us and them" scenario, that's not the case. The two co-exist. For people who are EDUCATED and disciplined, there are ways of maintaining your health. You don't need a doctor to tell you to work out, eat right, and avoid toxic landfills, you're supposed to fvcking know that! But, more and more doctors ARE taking a holistic view of their patients and are talking big picture and maintenance stuff.

Trudeau's book does have some very good ideas for simple healthier living and some things that aren't so obvious but make perfect sense.

 

[Desdinova]

What you often do have to do, however, is follow the money.

This is so true with almost anything.

Now, I haven't looked into the book, but I'll tell you my experiences with a guy who was into natural medicines.

Now, I (was) the smoker, the one who liked his occasional drunk, and the unhealthy eater. My workmate was the dude who was into herbal teas, natural medicines, didn't smoke nor drink. He had a heart attack at age 40.

Now, call me nutty, but that's a pretty damn young age for a guy to have a heart attack, who seemed to have a healthy lifestyle.

Before he had his heart attack, he got me to try some natural medicine that helps you lose weight (can't remember what it was). I paid a hell of a price for this stuff, watched the video on how it works, and me and my (then) gf decided to try it.

It gave both of us the 5hits and neither of us lost weight. We ended up abandoning the natural medicine. I don't know about her, but my fvcking bowel movements have never been the same since.

Now, after this dude's heart attack, he has been on un-natural nitro-glycerine, and lost weight through diet and exercise. He still drinks all his goddam herbal healing teas though. He'll tell me how a certain one is good for his heart. If that's the case, why the hell is he on nitro?

Although, I must agree with you about doctors being lousy nutritionalists. Doctors are there to find medical problems and offer medical solutions. That's why I was perscribed Zyban instead of Allen Carr's quit smoking book. Guess which one worked better.

 

[DarkLight]

Always good to read a post of yours A-Unit.

I've read the book as well. And have to give it a thumbs up.

The overall breakdown of his perspective into health, and the manners thereof are extremely sensible to say the least. His fortyfication against the government and its associated agencies, are of the same likeness. A clear reality, easily seen.

There are definetly valuable bits of information, but like I mentioned the true value would have to be his very agreeable approach to leading a holistically-healthy life. His vision is simple in its natural intellegence, and approach to health. No need to discount it through the division of alternative medicine vs. western pharmaceuticals. Even though in the book, his breakdown of that part of the industry, only strengthens the simple wisdom offered.

To end this thread. I was walking up to the gym about 3 weeks ago, and I see this guy in a bahama hat, and hawaiian shirt, strolling out of the market. His face caught me for a second, and then I reckognized him as our Author in question.

Needless to say, I introduced myself. He stopped, took his glasses off, and shook my hand with total sincerity. From my brief "hello" he seemed to be quite an authentic and cool cat. No hang-ups, no ego, no nothing. Just a sincere man, who was pretty stoked to hear that I enjoyed his book and that was that.

 

[Matheau]

There is a few things that should be pointed out.

1) Placebos do actually have success rates (in fact in a couple of studies I've seen placebos have out performed hollistic remedies, because the testing group believed the placebo would work, but not the hollistic remedy group). So just because it works doesn't mean it really works.

2) Hollistic medicine is in many cases the same as the "pill" version. I still hear people saying you should chew willow bark for headaches. Not only is it the same as aspirin, but since it doesn't contain a buffer, you are raising the acid content of your stomach, which can potentially be bad.

3) Chemicals don't care how they are made. If the same chemical is synthesized in a lab and grown in a plant, it is the exact same chemical and has the exact same properties. However, the synthesized version is usually more easily purified.

4) Pharmaceuticals are almost never made by mixing a bunch of chemicals together. More often than not they are produced exactly the same as they are in whatever plant or animal they come from, just in bacteria or a simpler plant. The only difference is that it is far easier to extract the desired substance than it would trying to get it from more complex organisms.

5) The idea that there is a "conspiracy" at work is ludicrous. It means that every single government, health organization, doctor, and medical researcher in the world is in on it.

6) Hollistic medicine is well known for the fact there are plenty of documented cases out there where exaggerated promises are made, even with no scientific research being done or faulty research being done. It isn't a government "conspiracy" either since the majority of those cases are sued in civil courts by the people that believed their claims. Hollistic medicine is a pretty big business, and the profit margins in it are actually higher than Western medicine.

7) The only reason pills have greater side effects than hollistic treatments is that the dose is more concentrated. If you get an equally concentrated dose of a chemical from a hollistic treatment, you will have the exact same side effects. However, getting the same concentrated dose is usually near impossible since the quantities of hollistic treatments that need to be consumed are usually far too high to be realistic.

8) There has been research done in hollistic cures. Unbiased researched, too, since on a few occassions, the hollistic treatment is usually found to be more effective in many cases. For example, Ginseng pills usually test just as well as prescriptions for sea sickness for most people (ginseng doesn't work on everyone, but neither does prescriptions).

9) Everyone is different. What works on one person doesn't necessarily have to work on another. The placebo effect also always plays a role, people that don't believe a treatment will work (regardless of whether it is a pill that underwent years of research and testing or hollistic treatments) will often find it doesn't work, because the placebo effect is always in place. Using X chemical doesn't automatically cure Y illness, the body still plays a role.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

The "healthy-friend" has a serious illness scenario is a common one, but does that mean you abandon the healthy-lifestyle because 1 example led to a bad outcome? In most cases not, and with a lot of people in those particular situations, you can pin point that they might not have been "as healthy" as they appeared on the surface. There's still the possibility of genetic defects, damage due to an unhealthy way of life BEFORE the change, and the fact that not all labeled healthy foods are in fact healthy.

There's also the point that the planet IN TOTAL is not as healthy and chock of nutrients as it USED to be. Consider the millions of cars leaking oil, polluting the air, and generally just draining people electromagentically and through the higher incidents of stress. Consider how much crap ends up in water, and how different supposedly purefied water is compared to tap water. [Our parents could have had well water and tap water that was safe, pure, and clean, for our kids, this will just be a bed-time story]. Consider how, to give food to everybody, we genetically alter food, add chemical herbicides, pesticides, and other chemicals to achieve and end result, one of maximum profit. To do that, you make the food as big as possible, and do it as cheaply as you can.

Most people have learned the 3 dimensions of a product...

-Quick,Fast
-Cheap, Inexpensive
-Quality, Value


You can only have 2. Not three. Fast food restaurantes give you cheap food fast. While regular ones, give you more of 'quality food', they give to you faster than you can likely do it, but not cheap. You can buy a mercedes benz, and get it fairly quickly, and it's high value, but it won't be cheap. You can get a daewoo cheap and quick, but it's not likely to be of high value like a mercedes would be. And on, and on. A product manufacturer can't concern him/herself with the outcome UNLESS it hurts profits. That's it. No matter the business, even a lawsuit is OK if the cost-to-benefit ratio is still seen as profitable. A businessman would risk a lawsuit if the impending fine is lower than the profit made. Martha Stewart wasn't exactly smart, since she only made 200,000+, but lost millions in market value of her stock and ruined her image, if only in the short-run.

That said, it applies to food. Personal responsibility still reigns. People have to make smart choices. That however doesn't mean the food manufacturers and drug manfacturers CARE! It means the products they make have more BENEFITS than they do COSTS, making it profitable to still conduct business. However, to the individual this should be of concern.

Moreover, drugs are ONLY designed to HIDE the symptoms, NOT cure the disease. Drugs don't cure disease. Nor do doctors. Only the body does. How often do you hear that a person has to WANT or to BELIEVE in the cure, or to want to be cured? That in and of itself ACTIVATES the right hormonal pathways to direct the body to do its bidding. Whenever we get a fever, it's actually the body working to fight OFF the impending disease, bacteria, virus, etc. Yet we try to diminish the fever with drugs, and the effects of those drugs aren't exactly positive. It's not like taking extra vitamin C. I've had the conversation with people fever prior to reading the book, but it confirmed my initial gut feelings. With my mother as a nurse, i RARELY ever touched over the counter drugs, and rarely get sick or ill. Heck my GF had Mono, and all i heard is how easy it is to get, yet I didn't get one symptom. People told me it was the most contagious virus out there, yet not symptoms. I wonder why? Good genetics, maybe, but also a lifestyle absent of excessive prescription and non prescription.

Personally, i do not care what other people CHOOSE to do with their own lives. This planet is a vehicle of personal evolution, and so I take care not to impact anyone else through force of will. Instead, I spread what I think, feel, know, or believe, and let other's act or not.

However, it should make sense that this is true. Drugs HAVE their place, especially in emergency situations, but the largest problem with Health Today is everyone runs the doctor with just the slightest sniffle, asking for drugs, jacking healthcare costs, and weakening their own health because they can't brave out a flu, cold, cough, or anything else. I haven't dove into a PURELY healthful lifestyle of only vegan authorized foods, but I do AVOID too much bad shyt, and try to mitigate the truly awful foods, like sodas, fast food, donuts, sugary candies, aspartame, msgs, and other crap.

Guys can do what they want, as they always will, but I do know MORE people have benefited from doing a fast, detoxifying and altering their lives than NOT. And that, trying to get physically perfect is only 1 component, and a minor one at that. Not to mention, being ok on the inside comes before being ok on the outside. When the body is absent of toxins, able to process food quickly, and lacks bloating and other discomforts, what you consume healthwise is AMPLIFIED.


A-Unit

 

[Chillisauce]

product manufacturer can't concern him/herself with the outcome UNLESS it hurts profits. That's it. No matter the business, even a lawsuit is OK if the cost-to-benefit ratio is still seen as profitable. A businessman would risk a lawsuit if the impending fine is lower than the profit made.

I’m too busy with my business venture to respond to your post in full yet, but I thought I’d add an interesting example one of my university lecturers gave. (It was his job to do the analysis)

When a serious fault in a car’s design is found to be causing dangerous accidents, companies will analyse the estimated lawsuit and reputation cost and only IF this cost is higher than recalling their product they will go through with the recall.

Lets say a company has sold 1000 cars for 80k each ($80 000 000), And there is a 5% chance of each car’s breaks going suddenly, and half these cases will result in a lawsuit costing 100 k Australian to the company each (our courts don’t pay out as much as in the US). The cost of recalling their product is 80 million plus reverse logistics expenses and the cost of lawsuits is 40 million plus whatever they find the reputation cost to be (for the sake of this example let us say 10 million). They will not recall the cars.

So now you have a car with a 1 in 20 chance that the breaks will blow out on you suddenly, knowing Murphy’s law it will probably be when you are coming up to a busy intersection at 60mp/h. Fun stuff.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

That was the same example Edward Norton provided as Tyler Durden in fight club. In some instances it's OK to release and not be concerned about product replacement, such as computer's, tv's, video games, cd's, etc. There's no such thing as perfection. The Japanese vaulted ahead in manufacturing and production, esp. in automobiles because they would accept nothing less than near perfection of 1-2% failure rate, while American autos were higher at 10% or more. Look where they are now. You can see the effects on most products listed as being from CHINA. [I realize the countries are different, but they're both in the Far East with similar standards of production].

It's not ok with food, or drugs, or anything we apply to the body, because you can die, or contribute to death BEFORE knowing it's effects. Alot of drugs are released like this. It was also the case behind Vioxx, which was released, contributed to many deaths and is/was under litigation. Trials don't have long-term effects, or long-term doping effects. Sure it kills the symptoms, but you don't know the toxicity of it. You don't know how it could effect cells, the liver, kidneys, brain or heart, or anything else. The Fat Flush diet which has aided many people personally builds its foundation on doing a TOXIC fast, seeking to eradicate toxins, preservatives, and basically anything MAN-made. It does not preclude grass fed beef, or all natural eggs from chickens allowed to roam, but it does preclude beef that sits in large warehouses getting bombarded with chemicals, hormones, and then allowing them to seep into food we eat.

Could the fact more people than ever are on depression meds and the like be the result of more hormones flowing through from our food?

It's already be confirmed that what we eat, on a regular basis, flows through to us, and whatever they absorb becomes a part of our diet. Studies show 100% of women have SOME level of JET fuel in their breast milk! JET FUEL! Why? How? Because, they fly over head, it's in the water, planes dump fuel, planes fly over fields, over animals, livestock, fruit.

This has nothing to do with conspiracy, and there isn't much you can do to AVOID all the chemicals out there. Not unless you find an island. It's expensive to be on a WHOLE foods market diet, or trader joe's everyday, and cheating at a fast food joint can be FINE now and then, like once a month, or less, as disgusting as it is. However, it's ALL the food together. Not only has the nutritional value of a mere apple declined, relative to what our parents had, but they're covered in toxins anyways. Eat enough food like that, drink enough, don't workout, smoke, and you're slowly, and steadily poisoning your system. Quite simple.

I don't think it's a far stretch to see how popular chemicals are. Not only is the food engineered, but then they're sprayed by chemicals, washed with impure water, and handled by unclean hands. The whole process has a bent toward contamination. It's sad, really. It isn't foolish, when you consider our country is near the top in pollution overall, and yet we have one of the most obese countries, on the most prescrip drugs, and blah blah blah.

It's about planning.



A-Unit

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

I like your points on how doctors are aren't reliable for longterm problems while they're good for short term injuries. The main reason for this is they want to make more profit for long term but in the short term problem they have to treat you cuz if they mess up it reflects poorly on them.
Another point about medicines Japan got equal or better medication than the U.S. I had one eye drop which strung when I used it but worked 100 times better than any vizine. They even got cold medicine in pill or powder form that actually helps you recover faster by boosting the immune system. But the best medicine I ever took there came in a yellow bottle and it was for upset stomach, diarrea or headache and it ALWAYS WORKED! Man if I could buy meds I would n ever buy American made stuff again.

 

[Throttle]

There's somewhat more benevolent explanations re: doctors that requires neither conspiracy nor profit-motive. They're trained to react to symptoms, to distrust any self-diagnosis, rail against self-medication, and at least in the US they can take very little time to see you, let alone catch up on your health record and/or tests. Are there nasty profit-motivated doctors out there? Yes. But a whole lot of doctors who genuinely want to help you are limited by their professional training, norms, and the realities of private payer health care (public medicine has its own problems that I'm sure our British & Canadian bros could describe in excruciating detail).

The worst part about banning ephedra is that there are medically prescribed and OTC medications that contain basically the same active ingredients -- though it's getting harder to get your hands on those compounds due to concerns about how easy it is to bake into meth.....

But medicine, despite its many faults, has doubled or tripled most folks' life expectancy, to the point that we're now dying of things we didn't used to get old enough to suffer. And we can put a name on a whole bunch of conditions that used to be total mysteries, even the ones we can't figure out how to treat. Now expectations are way up, and we can see the flaws in our various health care systems that much clearer, w/o necessarily being able to do anything about it