BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[metalwater]

that is why it's funny.

 

[djreez88]

Yeah I don't know what he was thinking going after jews like that. He's been in the industry since he was a kid. He knew better...

 

[zekko]

Have you seen this nonsense from the Smithsonian's black history exhibit? The following is part of display defining "whiteness" and white privilege in the US. Among the diabolical traits of white culture listed below are self reliance, the nuclear family, rational thinking, working hard for success, Judeo-Christian values, planning for the future, etc. Apparently they're saying that if you are black you don't want to work hard to be successful? If I was black I would find this highly insulting. As it is, I'm wondering what sort of system these nutballs want to replace it with. One more step toward the USSA, I'm sure.

Notice the feminist jabs included, where they state that (among whites) the husband is the head of the household and the wife is subordinate to the husband. Horrors! If they think this is the norm though, apparently they don't read SoSuave.

Every day that goes by, I'm more convinced that these people who are so focused on race are seriously deranged.

 

[corrector]

 

[Alvafe]

Have you seen this nonsense from the Smithsonian's black history exhibit? The following is part of display defining "whiteness" and white privilege in the US. Among the diabolical traits of white culture listed below are self reliance, the nuclear family, rational thinking, working hard for success, Judeo-Christian values, planning for the future, etc. Apparently they're saying that if you are black you don't want to work hard to be successful? If I was black I would find this highly insulting. As it is, I'm wondering what sort of system these nutballs want to replace it with. One more step toward the USSA, I'm sure.

Notice the feminist jabs included, where they state that (among whites) the husband is the head of the household and the wife is subordinate to the husband. Horrors! If they think this is the norm though, apparently they don't read SoSuave.

Every day that goes by, I'm more convinced that these people who are so focused on race are seriously deranged.

soooo, they want us to live like tribes killing each other and slaving the losers from others tribes? i'm up for it, just saying

 

[Spaz]

Looks good to me, a winning mentality.

I'm sure successful blacks have the same mentality too, actually all successful men hv roughly the same mentality.

It's only losers who complains because they can't do the above.

 

[Who Dares Win]

We reach a point were some mentally challenged group of people gathered to say that the traditional family is an abuse and as if that wasnt enough is now doing their best to sabotage private propetery.

Anyway who bothered to read a history book (I mean the real one not some cultist version) knows that civilizations started to exist when men and women built families and decided to take care of each other and their children while at the same time any citizen had an authority to physically protect them and their property from violence and theft.

The sumerians got it but apparently some people in the current western world stands in previous evolutional point in terms of civilization and law planning.

Certain ideas belong in a psychiatry manual in the same chapter with people cutting their own arms or talk to the spirits in the rocks.

Anyone with an average IQ understands that if you reward a behaviour you get more of that from people while if you punish one then you have less of it.

Now being hard worker and productive gets you taxes while being a parasyte and a problem to the community gets you followers and political support...then we wonder why many capable men are turning to a minimalistic life style.

Also this "human rights" hysteria that its about all except human rights, please tell me from an economical point of view how can a nation have open borders and a strong welfare system together...thats like having an open house with no doors or windows but with a full fridge.

 

[zekko]

soooo, they want us to live like tribes killing each other and slaving the losers from others tribes?

Nooo, slavery is bad, that's about the only thing all the different sides agree on.
From what I can tell, the people behind this want us all to live under a Marxist socialist regime, where we are told what to think and how we split our money up. That's the end goal, the USSA.

Now being hard worker and productive gets you taxes while being a parasyte and a problem to the community gets you followers and political support...then we wonder why many capable men are turning to a minimalistic life style.

With all these "forced vacations" due to Covid, I wonder if we're creating a very lazy generation of people. A large group who are thinking "Hey, we don't have to work, we can just stay home and collect a check from the government". I heard a survey the other day, it was about all the people who have been working at home, it said something like only 17% wanted to return to the office at the end of this, everyone else wants to continue to stay home and work from home.

But yeah, hard workers get slammed for their privilege and for contributing to the "racist system". Successful black men have been ostracized for being "too white", black police officers have been called traitors to their race, and that they are "no longer black, they're blue". The people behind these demonstrations don't want you to work, they want you home collecting a government check where you are completely dependent on them, so they can control you, and use you to put them and keep them in power.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Nooo, slavery is bad, that's about the only thing all the different sides agree on.
From what I can tell, the people behind this want us all to live under a Marxist socialist regime, where we are told what to think and how we split our money up. That's the end goal, the USSA.


With all these "forced vacations" due to Covid, I wonder if we're creating a very lazy generation of people. A large group who are thinking "Hey, we don't have to work, we can just stay home and collect a check from the government". I heard a survey the other day, it was about all the people who have been working at home, it said something like only 17% wanted to return to the office at the end of this, everyone else wants to continue to stay home and work from home.

But yeah, hard workers get slammed for their privilege and for contributing to the "racist system". Successful black men have been ostracized for being "too white", black police officers have been called traitors to their race, and that they are "no longer black, they're blue". The people behind these demonstrations don't want you to work, they want you home collecting a government check where you are completely dependent on them, so they can control you, and use you to put them and keep them in power.

This madness all begun in the late 60s when the russians realized their industries and economic system couldnt match let alone overdo the western one.

In my opinion its not a coincidence that feminism, trial to cops instead of criminals, persecution of entrepreneurs and total support to state employee all exist in western countries outside the russian influence.

Even in Europe it seems like the iron curtain still exist altough only culturally and politically.
Wheter its social cohesion, male/female dynamics and family health its two different world.

In my opinion the western world has been infiltrated slowly and gradually first from saboteurs then from useful idiots that have been brainwashed so bad that they work autonomously.

Women and minorities have been manipulated and weaponized, this scenario exists in any western country beside those behind the iron curtain.

Btw the Us are relatively fine in terms of home owners rights due to a very strong and clear constitutions, in many european countries home invaders cant be dealt with violence without risking to be arrested, same things if your house gets occupied and you get punished to use force to kick them out.

Its not uncommon in italy or france to have old people hospitalized to return in their home and find a family of gipsies or immigrants who changed the lock and established there, not even calling the police will help and usually it will take months to do it legally.

This kind of laws dont exist for random reasons.

 

[zekko]

In my opinion the western world has been infiltrated slowly and gradually first from saboteurs then from useful idiots that have been brainwashed so bad that they work autonomously.

The only question is how much of this is from foreign influence, and how much of it is homegrown? There have been reports of Russia working to increase the political divide in the US, which is so bad right now I could see it erupting into civil war. But clearly there are people in the US who are organized and working very hard to bring about the end of our current way of life. One way they are selling it is by calling the system "racist". Which works effectively precisely because most people are not racist, they want to see everyone treated equally and fairly. I bet they've come further in the last few months than they would have ever even dared hope.

As for property rights, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, chances are you are going to be prosecuted, depending on which state you live in.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The only question is how much of this is from foreign influence, and how much of it is homegrown? There have been reports of Russia working to increase the political divide in the US, which is so bad right now I could see it erupting into civil war. But clearly there are people in the US who are organized and working very hard to bring about the end of our current way of life. One way they are selling it is by calling the system "racist". Which works effectively precisely because most people are not racist, they want to see everyone treated equally and fairly. I bet they've come further in the last few months than they would have ever even dared hope.

As for property rights, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, chances are you are going to be prosecuted, depending on which state you live in.

There are many historical records in the world where local dissidents teamed with foreigners to overthrow the national system..it didnt went well for them after the foreigners got what they wanted anyway.

I believe that there is a foreign directors but many locals are either well paid or well manipulated, think of feminists and their ego that would push them to fight their own people cause in their head they are guilty of not recognizing their "precious value".

Anyway when conventional warfare is not an option nor hybrid one is, it become necessary to innovate and personally I wouldnt exclude that its not the russians but the chinese that are definitely more patient and more interested into becoming the first world power in a matter of decades.

Most of the work has been done already during the cold war, now it only takes to keep going.

Regarding black violent activists and their relationships with the KGB there is plenty of literature about, they've been sold a lie about them being exploited and how real equality only happens in communism.

Workers rights, equality, wage gap, discriminations...always the same thing, "someone is oppressing you but we can help you to take him down".

 

[corrector]

People have called Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement communist. The thing is if Blacks were not treated so badly in the USA in the first place then Russia would not have any ammunition to work with, even if such a thing were true. How about the police not killing unarmed Blacks or unarmed anyone (including Whites)? Why cant we move forward on that issue?

 

[zekko]

People have called Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement communist. The thing is if Blacks were not treated so badly in the USA in the first place then Russia would not have any ammunition to work with, even if such a thing were true. How about the police not killing unarmed Blacks or unarmed anyone (including Whites)? Why cant we move forward on that issue?

MLK based his civil rights movement on the Declaration of Independence. The current wave of protesters want to tear America down.
If blacks are so poorly treated in the US, why are Africans one of the largest growing immigrant groups in the US, and by all reports are being quite successful?
The police brutality issue got all side tracked when they started burning businesses, tearing down statues, and attacking all US systems as "racist".
I hate to break it to you, but the Marxists do not have black people's best interests at heart, they are just a tool to advance their agenda.

 

[corrector]

MLK based his civil rights movement on the Declaration of Independence. The current wave of protesters want to tear America down.
If blacks are so poorly treated in the US, why are Africans one of the largest growing immigrant groups in the US, and by all reports are being quite successful?
The police brutality issue got all side tracked when they started burning businesses, tearing down statues, and attacking all US systems as "racist".
I hate to break it to you, but the Marxists do not have black people's best interests at heart, they are just a tool to advance their agenda.

I was not talking about Marxism but police brutality. We can have a concensus opinion about slavery and you even agree about the civil rights movement (not sure about @Who Dares Win since I dont know about him) but not police brutality? You talk about me about Marxism but then its a two way street. You may have a point but if it gets hijacked by the kkk then you would not think I am fair to associate you with them to invalidate your point. Likewise I object to any association with the principle against police brutality with Marxism. Comminist countries have police states, but if Blacks and Browns have an unfair police state experience then the communist would mean other groups are treated as unfairly as Blacks and Browns. The goal is less unfair police treatment and no police brutaity period rather than equal police brutality (which is what your communism idea is). Do you see how that is contrary with a commitment to end police brutality?

 

[Kotaix]

People have called Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement communist. The thing is if Blacks were not treated so badly in the USA in the first place then Russia would not have any ammunition to work with, even if such a thing were true. How about the police not killing unarmed Blacks or unarmed anyone (including Whites)? Why cant we move forward on that issue?

How about we pass laws to make murder illegal. That will stop murders, right? Wrong.

Your utopian vision is a nice shiny balloon, and reality is a cactus forest on a windy day.

You can't stop racism, murders, crime, drug abuse, poverty or any other kind of sh!tty behavior. These things will always exist to some degree. People are fundamentally free to make good or bad choices in their life. It's literally impossible to take away a person's free will to be a piece of sh!t.

The reason Russia had ammunition is because there are people like you who would rather take the delusional route of making your problems and failings someone else's fault instead of engaging in self-reflection, realizing your share of responsibility in them and using your god-given agency to lift yourself out of it.

You can't have a country that is systemically racist against black people yet also have a country that elected a black president. That is an oxymoron.

 

[corrector]

How about we pass laws to make murder illegal. That will stop murders, right? Wrong.

Lets us not be absurd. Murder is already illegal. Yes, laws, when they are properly enforced and people know there are consequences, somehow stop doing bad things to other people because now there are consequences. That's why you don't have huge white crowds lynching Blacks like they did in the 1920s where people put their body parts in jars and passed them as trophy souvenirs and nobody got in trouble with the law. Have you heard of the concept of Blacklisting? The Romans would remove the civil rights of a condemned person and anyone who killed that person would not be held accountable for his/her murder. So, laws do prevent murder and hold people in check. Does it hold everyone in check? Of course not, because there are some people out there who think they might not get caught. But it's different that if you do get caught and know there is just a slap in the wrist or no consequences at all and not even care.

You can't stop racism, murders, crime, drug abuse, poverty or any other kind of sh!tty behavior. These things will always exist to some degree. People are fundamentally free to make good or bad choices in their life. It's literally impossible to take away a person's free will to be a piece of sh!t.

There is no argument there, but I never made such an argument in the first place. Why are you making a counter-argument to an argument I never made in the first place?

The reason Russia had ammunition is because there are people like you who would rather take the delusional route of making your problems and failings someone else's fault instead of engaging in self-reflection, realizing your share of responsibility in them and using your god-given agency to lift yourself out of it.

Again, you are not making any sense here at all. We are talking about police violence against Blacks (and others). What agency did George Floyd have to lift himself out of the chockhold other than saying "He cant breathe"? Are you saying Geroge Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Elijah Mccain could have done something else? What did they do? Breonna Taylor had a job at the hospital as a frontline worker. Is this how your country rewards people who treat people who are sick with Covid19? Are the police going to kill off more Black hospital workers so they won't save any more lives? What point are you trying to make again about someone else's fault? Would there be more of an outrage of a White doctor was killed by the police by a Black officer and the officer never got charged? Are you saying that all police brutality victims are unemployed and collecting welfare and good hard working Black people never get treated badly by police? What is your point?

You can't have a country that is systemically racist against black people yet also have a country that elected a black president. That is an oxymoron.

You don't understand systematic racism if you keep looking at the exception rather than the rule.

 

[zekko]

You may have a point but if it gets hijacked by the kkk then you would not think I am fair to associate you with them to invalidate your point.

If the KKK tried to hijack some point I was trying to make, I would speak out against them. How many people support the KKK? Not too many. In BLM's case, they are the Marxists. Oh, I'm sure there are many protesters who genuinely want to do some good, but even most of them are being used as dupes, and as a shield for anarchists.

Police brutality is a legitimate issue to discuss, but that doesn't mean anything goes. I don't believe in abolishing, defunding, or attacking all police. And if that issue is so important, how did it get so easily sidetracked to things like Mount Rushmore? Because the people running BLM have a far deeper agenda than simply dealing with police brutality, and the first thing they want to do is defund police, which I completely disagree with.

Lets us not be absurd. Murder is already illegal. Yes, laws, when they are properly enforced and people know there are consequences, somehow stop doing bad things to other people because now there are consequences. That's why you don't have huge white crowds lynching Blacks like they did in the 1920s

Do you really think that the only thing holding white people back from lynching blacks is the law? You have your random group of nutballs, but I can guarantee you the vast, vast, vast majority of white people have no desire whatsoever to lynch a black person.

You don't understand systematic racism if you keep looking at the exception rather than the rule.

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule. But the protesters act like all police are the enemy. Maybe if they brought the police into the discussion they would have some good ideas on how to prevent such unfortunate events. But instead the police are all demonized.

 

[Spaz]

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule. But the protesters act like all police are the enemy. Maybe if they brought the police into the discussion they would have some good ideas on how to prevent such unfortunate events. But instead the police are all demonized.

The police as a whole has to take the blame since they are an essential service.

Policemen must be hired and trained to handle the job.

Can American Airlines hire a delusional pilot that goes kamikaze, resulting in hundreds of deaths and not take responsibility?

 

[Who Dares Win]

I was not talking about Marxism but police brutality. We can have a concensus opinion about slavery and you even agree about the civil rights movement (not sure about @Who Dares Win since I dont know about him) but not police brutality? You talk about me about Marxism but then its a two way street. You may have a point but if it gets hijacked by the kkk then you would not think I am fair to associate you with them to invalidate your point. Likewise I object to any association with the principle against police brutality with Marxism. Comminist countries have police states, but if Blacks and Browns have an unfair police state experience then the communist would mean other groups are treated as unfairly as Blacks and Browns. The goal is less unfair police treatment and no police brutaity period rather than equal police brutality (which is what your communism idea is). Do you see how that is contrary with a commitment to end police brutality?

In 2020 most of women believe that there is a rape culture, that they are discriminated and "patriarchy" is enforced...does it make it true?

It doesnt need reality to convince someone delusional enough that something is real, I find it very unlikeable that blacks are mistreated as a race in the US when the former leader was democratically elected and was partially black.

I agree with you that blacks are considered inferior in china or many asian countries, thats a fact which is why you dont see any going there nor any accepted as citizen in the first place but in the western world thats ridicolous unless of course equality instead of special treatment its a discrimination.

Regarding police violence, violent people is violent to whoever challenge them...I dont think a psycho who joined the police cause he never got laid in high school pick his targets according to a color scale.

 

[corrector]

If the KKK tried to hijack some point I was trying to make, I would speak out against them.

In a sense they are undermining your stance about a fair and unbiased police because a number of police officers are also KKK members, will call an actual lynching a suicide so nobody gets prosecuted, or have KKK memorabilia in their homes. There was an FBI warning issued some time ago about the KKK infiltrating police departments. A police killing from a police officer who also had ties to the KKK and then claims "he feared for his life" after killing an unarmed Black man would put everything in doubt right?

How many people support the KKK? Not too many.

Not as much as in the 1920s or earlier on, but it doesn't mean it's just a fringe group. If they have changed tactics from holding large meetings into infiltrating law enforcement agencies and going under the radar and taking over the police and criminal justice systems, then they have just become more smart. The type of people who take care of illegal immigrant detainees, are jail guards, police officers, also tend to attract people from these organizations.

I posted a link to a video earlier in a thread where a Black man was nearly lynched in a national park. The police were called in and guess who almost got arrested? The Black guy. He didn't receive treatment for his injuries and suffered a concussion. The hospital he saw a day later was outraged against the National Park and the police for siding with the people who nearly murdered the man.

So, honest, zekko, I feel you are misinformed as to the extent that the KKK (and other white supremacist groups) have infiltrated law enforcement, and how the current Trump administration has given a green light to these organizations by suspending any enforcement against them. Allot of talking points and re-tweets from the Trump has been from such organizations and hate crimes have gone up since Trump entered into office at a level not seen before.

I'm pleased we also have an agreement that the KKK and White Supremacists organizations are bad, and that racial violence and murder of other human beings such organizations deem to be inferior are also downright evil....but then we should also look at infiltration in law enforcement and officers who are carrying on clandestine lynching operations on the behest of such organizations under the colour of law.

In BLM's case, they are the Marxists. Oh, I'm sure there are many protesters who genuinely want to do some good, but even most of them are being used as dupes, and as a shield for anarchists.

Over the past number of years the BLM has made no such riots because the BLM was labelled as a hate organization by the Trump organization. Something like George Floyd had to happen under the same administration to galvanize people. The BLM became a fossil organization, like the Black Panthers when Trump was elected. There were police killings of minorities, but BLM and their people realize that because Trump was elected, nobody cared. Jeff Sessions, the former Attorney General winked at police killings by abandoning all the successful DOJ cases from the previous Eric Holder court orders where the DOJ did find egregious civil rights violations all over the various police department. The Trump administration has made it clear that it is their priority to protect the police at all cost.

Look at Eric Gardner. The Trump administration let this cop off the hook so he suffered absolutely no criminal consequences for the chokehold. Look at the message this administration has been sending. Of course protesting and riots were seen to be a complete waste of time because nobody is listening and nobody cared....until George Floyd happened.

So it's not just a protest with George Floyd. Its frustration with this president and way he's handled this issue from the get-go. It's bottled up anger from other previous police killings but they weren't able to protest because they could be arrested by the FBI for being part of a Black Extremist Orgnisation. Everything relating to Black identity groups was criminalized by the Trump administration while KKK groups were given a green-light and funding against them slashed.

So, zekko, allot of what you are saying has been hijacked by the KKK, and the KKK-friendly federal government. It has to take some incident like George Floyd to release a geyser where people just don't care anymore because they've got nothing to lose that even a designation of being part of a "Black Extremist Group" and being criminalized because of affiliation to BLM does not matter anymore.

Police brutality is a legitimate issue to discuss, but that doesn't mean anything goes. I don't believe in abolishing, defunding, or attacking all police. And if that issue is so important, how did it get so easily sidetracked to things like Mount Rushmore? Because the people running BLM have a far deeper agenda than simply dealing with police brutality, and the first thing they want to do is defund police, which I completely disagree with.

Trump did not have to do a July 4th speech at Mount Rushmore. Again, the president has allot of influence in setting the tone for reconciliation rather than adding more fuel to the fire. Again, please look at the KKK-friendly president and see if he's part of the problem, or if he's part of the solution.

Do you really think that the only thing holding white people back from lynching blacks is the law? You have your random group of nutballs, but I can guarantee you the vast, vast, vast majority of white people have no desire whatsoever to lynch a black person.

I did not say the law, I said the way the law is enforced. If the law is enforced in an uneven way (i.e. Whites who commit murder against a Black man is not prosecuted), then even if you have a law, then it doesn't mean anything because it's not enforced, and it's the non-enforcement, or acquittals, when there should be convictions, that changes everything.

Therefore, if the laws were enforced against police officers who commit hate crimes under the badge the same way Dylann Roof then there would be less police killings period. Laws are currently enforced properly if it's a Black police officer killing (accidental or intentionally) a White civilian. That is why you don't see the news dominated by Black officers killing White civilians. This is because such things are ust automatically enforced with a vengeance and the Black officer ends up in jail and serves time.

Emmit Till happened because of how things was in the past, including the way that the laws were enforced against White people who commit egregious hate crimes. George Floyd happened in 2020 because of the way the laws are enforced against White police officers who egregiously kill Black people. So, if a law against murder is not enforced because the perpetrator is the police and the victim is Black, then it means a value-statement is being made about the value of the life of the Black victim that his life is deemed to be too inferior for the State to protect. Such a value statement can only come from organization that is infiltrated by the KKK.

The police killing minorities is an exception, not the rule. But the protesters act like all police are the enemy. Maybe if they brought the police into the discussion they would have some good ideas on how to prevent such unfortunate events. But instead the police are all demonized.

But, the way that law is being enforced against White police officers who break the basic law "murder/thou shalt not kill" , when the victim is Black, is the rule. If they were properly prosecuted and laws are enforced as they would for everyone else or Dylann Roof, then there would be no issue. You had no mass BLM protest with Dylann Roof or other white supremacist murderers who were prosecuted properly in the criminal justice system. That is because when it's done under colour of law there appears to be a pass to the murder and that is unacceptable.